Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[nate33]

Would a trade for Marvin Bagley be a positive for us?
Bagley for Ish Smith + TBJr works in trade checker.

Go look back at the last 10 drafts for lotto pick big men who were still disappointing underachievers in their 3rd season. Almost all of them remained disappointing underachievers. The only guy that kind of figured things out late was Julius Randle.

[nate33]

The meantime for return from his injury is 11.6 ± 4.1 months, which is anywhere from training camp to January of 2022 and there's a good chance it'll take him some time to find his groove again.

Really? For an ACL injury? I've seen estimates of just 9 months. They seem to go much quicker these days with the arthroscopic surgery and blood platelet injections.

Heck, it happened to me when I was 39 and I was playing basketball again in 6 months (granted, I'm 165 pounds).

9 months falls into the 11.6 +/- 4.1 margin.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3806178/

Thanks for the link.

The study is from 1975 to 2012, so my bet is that if you just look at the past 10-20 years, the recovery times would be faster. It seems to me that nearly every ACL injury in recent years has had guys ready to go at training camp the next year.

[nate33]

The Knicks look like they might be shopping Mitchell Robinson. I'm not sure what it would take to get him, but it's certainly worth a phone call. I'd definitely offer Brown Jr. + Wagner, plus maybe one of our 2024 picks. I don't know how much more I'd throw in. Maybe we trade Lopez for a 2nd and throw that in as well.

The fact that they're shopping him kinda diminishes his value a bit.

[NatP4]

Why the hell wouldn’t he be available?

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[queridiculo]

The Knicks look like they might be shopping Mitchell Robinson. I'm not sure what it would take to get him, but it's certainly worth a phone call. I'd definitely offer Brown Jr. + Wagner, plus maybe one of our 2024 picks. I don't know how much more I'd throw in. Maybe we trade Lopez for a 2nd and throw that in as well.

The fact that they're shopping him kinda diminishes his value a bit.

Robinson has been pretty terrible, not sure that he'd warrant any draft considerations.

[Ruzious]

Why the hell wouldn’t he be available?

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Nonono. Robin Lopez is untouchable... at least until he takes a bath. Various creatures are growing in his hair as we speak.

[nate33]

The Knicks look like they might be shopping Mitchell Robinson. I'm not sure what it would take to get him, but it's certainly worth a phone call. I'd definitely offer Brown Jr. + Wagner, plus maybe one of our 2024 picks. I don't know how much more I'd throw in. Maybe we trade Lopez for a 2nd and throw that in as well.

The fact that they're shopping him kinda diminishes his value a bit.

Robinson has been pretty terrible, not sure that he'd warrant any draft considerations.

Sorry. To clarify, I meant one of our 2024 2nd round picks.

[nate33]

Robinson has been pretty terrible, not sure that he'd warrant any draft considerations.

Well then maybe Robinson for Brown straight up makes good sense. Two guys with very good per minute numbers last year who, for various reasons, lost favor with their coach and have underwhelmed this year. Maybe both guys would do better with a change of scenery.

[WallToWall]

Would a trade for Marvin Bagley be a positive for us?
Bagley for Ish Smith + TBJr works in trade checker.

Go look back at the last 10 drafts for lotto pick big men who were still disappointing underachievers in their 3rd season. Almost all of them remained disappointing underachievers. The only guy that kind of figured things out late was Julius Randle.

At this point in time, he certainly doesn't look like he was worth a 2nd overall pick. But that shouldn't matter to us - it wasn't our pick. Being drafted at 19 years of age, he obviously has a lot of growing in his game that he has to do. I don't believe he has got the right tutelage in Sac-town, especially given his missed time. He was injured with a sprained knee and missed 11 games in his first season. His second year, he fractured his right thumb (he shoots left handed) and that put him out most of the year - he played in 13 games. Then covid came to all of us and his second season was done. This year, his 3rd season, he got injured again, after 37 games. This year is more like his 2nd year in the league, as he's only played 112 games in his career. He can play PF and C. If, for us, all he has to do is rebound and put backs, then he may be good enough for our bench. He may, in fact, with the right training turn out to be better than his current numbers show.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/baglema01.html
Looking at his stats... he can shoot 80% on his FT's. He did that last year, so the capability is within him. He can average 50% on FG's and average 10 rebounds. That seems to be consistent through his short career.
He may be worth taking a chance, especially since his price is low right now. Perhaps TBJr is too much to pay in trade for him. I'd like to see what he looks like as a backup PF and/or C for us.

[DCZards]

It’s being reported that Drummond is interested in joining the Zards. He and Beal are close so that might be a factor.

Here’s the article:
https://cavaliersnation.com/2021/03/16/report-andre-drummond-has-expressed-interest-in-going-to-washington-wizards/amp/

[gambitx777]

I don't think any of my ideas could be considered an off load of Bertans, all of them bring in some mid to low level assets. I think this assets can offset some of not the cost of troy and bryant. I think Drummand is under rated and looked at as an empty stats guy but he has skills and skills that could help the team.

I figured out about 8 different ways to do this trade that gets us further under the tax it's doable and I also don't think he's gonna get much more than mid level money next year especially if he's happy here with beal. Also again I think he solves some issues for the team.

Your way of getting under the tax is to offload Bertans. Effectively, you are trading Bertans along with Bryant and expirings in order to acquire Drummond. I think Bryant and Bertans combined are better than Drummond, so it's a bad idea.

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[gambitx777]

In that case as much as I've wanted to trade for him and would if possible. Get some tax relief and get him on the buy out market.

It’s being reported that Drummond is interested in joining the Zards. He and Beal are close so that might be a factor.

Here’s the article:
https://cavaliersnation.com/2021/03/16/report-andre-drummond-has-expressed-interest-in-going-to-washington-wizards/amp/

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[jangles86]

Why are articles still talking about the wizards wanting to make the playoffs?

This team is so far away from even pretending to be a playoff team it isn’t funny.

This team needs to tank. And tank hard..

[gambitx777]

That's a good conversation to have actually .
I don't like the idea of tanking my self. Yeah top 3 picks can get you guys like beal Zion and AD. But they can also get you guys like Otto porter, anthony Benett and Greg oden. .I think being a good team and a good organization showing a desire to win goes along way. You can argue we haven't done that. But tanking isn't as worth while as it use to be. I think making smart moves is the key and we'll see this deadline if Tommy has what it takes to do so.

Why are articles still talking about the wizards wanting to make the playoffs?

This team is so far away from even pretending to be a playoff team it isn’t funny.

This team needs to tank. And tank hard..

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[NatP4]

2 years ago, Drummond might’ve helped this team slightly. He’s not much of an upgrade over Lopez/Wagner/Len, if at all.

Keep losing, sell sell sell

[Ruzious]

2 years ago, Drummond might’ve helped this team slightly. He’s not much of an upgrade over Lopez/Wagner/Len, if at all.

Keep losing, sell sell sell

Drummond's gotten worse over the years. In his second year in the NBA, he made 62.3% of his shots and averaged only 1.5 to's per 36 minutes. Now, he's making 47.4% of his FGAs while averaging 4.0 to's per 36. Still makes under 60% of his FTs. His TS% has gone from .599 to .500 - just awful for a center - particularly one that shoots as much as he does while providing absolutely no spacing. What he does - rebounding and getting blocks and steals - he's as good as anyone - but he's become such a poor offensive player. Amazing he's only 27 - he seems much older and plays like a dinosaur. Already over 8,600 rebounds for his career. If we had Drummond and Westbrook, we'd have 2 of the worst high volume shooters in the NBA but also perhaps the best rebounders for their positions in the NBA. Teaming them seems like a very bad idea.

[verbal8]

Consider the following:

A. It would be great to get a late R1 pick for Bertans -- as it seems we could have last year. Would you agree?

B. If that's no longer possible, then it would be acceptable to get a high R2 pick in the upcoming draft for him. Would you agree with that as well?

C. If so, then consider the following: we trade Bertans for an expiring salary. But, we trade him to a team that has a high R2 pick in the upcoming draft & agrees to sell it to us for $3 - $3.5m (which seems to be more or less the going rate).

If "B" is acceptable, but not available, then there's a strong argument that "C" should be acceptable.

Thoughts?

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any indication that ownership would consider C.

[verbal8]

It’s being reported that Drummond is interested in joining the Zards. He and Beal are close so that might be a factor.

Here’s the article:
https://cavaliersnation.com/2021/03/16/report-andre-drummond-has-expressed-interest-in-going-to-washington-wizards/amp/

Considering trading Bertran and Lopez for Drummond would be a good sign(in a 3 or 4 team deal) would be a good sign, even if he might not be the best trade target. If they plan on dealing Bryant and/or other young guys, it is less appealing.

Getting Drummond on a buyout is good getting a player for free, but there is a danger of overpaying and needing to use a cap exception to retain him.

[gambitx777]

The last couple of years he's played for some pretty bad teams and has been asked to be the number one option. He isn't that but he is a good rebounder and good defender. I think beal and brooks could rein in the bad offensive habits and make good use of him getting 10+points off put backs alone and 15+ rebounds a night and playing hard defence

2 years ago, Drummond might’ve helped this team slightly. He’s not much of an upgrade over Lopez/Wagner/Len, if at all.

Keep losing, sell sell sell

Drummond's gotten worse over the years. In his second year in the NBA, he made 62.3% of his shots and averaged only 1.5 to's per 36 minutes. Now, he's making 47.4% of his FGAs while averaging 4.0 to's per 36. Still makes under 60% of his FTs. His TS% has gone from .599 to .500 - just awful for a center - particularly one that shoots as much as he does while providing absolutely no spacing. What he does - rebounding and getting blocks and steals - he's as good as anyone - but he's become such a poor offensive player. Amazing he's only 27 - he seems much older and plays like a dinosaur. Already over 8,600 rebounds for his career. If we had Drummond and Westbrook, we'd have 2 of the worst high volume shooters in the NBA but also perhaps the best rebounders for their positions in the NBA. Teaming them seems like a very bad idea.

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[Ruzious]

I don't see the Wiz as as a destination for veteran players to suddenly become better and break bad habits.