"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[Fierce1]

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

This was my trade proposal for Lonzo.

If the Pels don't think they can keep Lonzo, I think this is a good trade for both teams.

LaVar Ball made it clear New Orleans is not the place for Lonzo.

So Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick for Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen is fair.

Kemba gives the Pels stability at the PG position because he's still under contract until 2023.

The Pels would also be dumping Bledsoe's contract on the Celtics.

[CelticsPride18]

Ainge should be trying to move Theis. He can probably get a first round pick for him in this market.

[Duke4life831]

Lonzo would definitely be an upgrade for the team. His defense is much much better than Kemba's, then on the offensive end. Lonzo is becoming very good at moving off the ball and is a hell of a catch and shoot threat. He also is extremely smart with the ball and good at finding what is available to him. Now him creating in the half court is not his strength. But that is why he is a good fit with the Pels right now because the Pels have Zion and Ingram who both excel at creating in the half court. So Lonzo plugs in perfectly with them.

If the plan is to move forward with Tatum/Brown leading the offense, you cant ask for a better PG to pair up with them than Lonzo. But if Brown isnt a guy that can create for himself consistently in the half court, Lonzo isnt really going to help out there. That just isnt his strength at the moment. His strength in the half court is off ball movement, catch and shoot and smart with the ball when it is in his hands.

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

This was my trade proposal for Lonzo.

If the Pels don't think they can keep Lonzo, I think this is a good trade for both teams.

LaVar Ball made it clear New Orleans is not the place for Lonzo.

So Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick for Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen is fair.

Kemba gives the Pels stability at the PG position because he's still under contract until 2023.

The Pels would also be dumping Bledsoe's contract on the Celtics.

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

Again if you want to use Kemba to get Lonzo, youre going to most likely have to get a 3rd team to take Kemba.

[Asian Celtic]

Ainge should be trying to move Theis. He can probably get a first round pick for him in this market.

Would you pay a 1st for a guy who would walk as an UFA after a few months? Basically a 1st for a 2-3 month rental? Lol

[radcot]

Since we're in dream mode, I'd love to add Lonzo and subtract Kemba. Wouldn't mind getting Kelly back either.

[Fierce1]

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

I don't disagree with you, but you never know with these small market teams.

They're so unpredictable.

[gammajamma]

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

This was my trade proposal for Lonzo.

If the Pels don't think they can keep Lonzo, I think this is a good trade for both teams.

LaVar Ball made it clear New Orleans is not the place for Lonzo.

So Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick for Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen is fair.

Kemba gives the Pels stability at the PG position because he's still under contract until 2023.

The Pels would also be dumping Bledsoe's contract on the Celtics.

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

Again if you want to use Kemba to get Lonzo, youre going to most likely have to get a 3rd team to take Kemba.

If orlando interest in Kemba is real

something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg4utak7


add picks to the pelicans

[Fierce1]

During a conversation with Brian Rob of Mass Live, Celtics GM Danny Ainge discussed a variety of topics, including the question of just how active Boston would be in the week leading up to the trade deadline. “I always go into the trading deadline, thinking that there’s something that we can do to help our team,” Ainge said. “I’m not talking about a big talent swing, I’m talking about just incremental positional changes you know one position in place of another, that we could use.”
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/03/atlantic-notes-perry-robinson-ainge-powell.html

[Feed Your Head]

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

I don't disagree with you, but you never know with these small market teams.

They're so unpredictable.

They’re predictable enough to know that they would never trade Lonzo for Kemba.

Kemba makes ZERO sense for them, less than zero perhaps.

[Duke4life831]

This was my trade proposal for Lonzo.

If the Pels don't think they can keep Lonzo, I think this is a good trade for both teams.

LaVar Ball made it clear New Orleans is not the place for Lonzo.

So Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick for Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen is fair.

Kemba gives the Pels stability at the PG position because he's still under contract until 2023.

The Pels would also be dumping Bledsoe's contract on the Celtics.

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

Again if you want to use Kemba to get Lonzo, youre going to most likely have to get a 3rd team to take Kemba.

If orlando interest in Kemba is real

something like this:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg4utak7


add picks to the pelicans

I wouldnt see any interest from the Pels point of view.

Langford: Pels already have NAW and Kira as young 1st round pick guards that theyre struggling to develop. Adding another one to the bunch isnt super enticing.

TT: Adding an undersized 5 that has zero floor spacing to go alongside Zion. Doesnt make too much sense there. They already have 3 bigs on the roster that dont space the ball, I dont think a 4th is all that valuable to them.

[JediMasterRevan]

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

I don't disagree with you, but you never know with these small market teams.

They're so unpredictable.

They’re predictable enough to know that they would never trade Lonzo for Kemba.

Kemba makes ZERO sense for them, less than zero perhaps.

3 team deal imo.

kemba to orlando
fournier, theis and romeo to nop
ball, reddick and aminu to boston?

[Duke4life831]

And to be clear to everyone just in case I come off as super negative haha, Im not here to bash any trade talks involving the Pels. Ive just watched all of the Pels games the last 2 years, have a pretty solid idea of what the roster most likely needs and the direction it looks like they're going.

Ball dominant score 1st PG: They absolutely have no need for
Young unproven guards: No need for they have plenty
Non shooting bigs: No need for they have plenty

A few obvious things the Pels need and are probably looking for.
Off ball shooting guards
Physical wing defenders
Mobile defensive 5
Stretch 5

[Celts17Pride]

Kemba is going to get traded to Orlando. That’s my trade deadline prediction.

[Fierce1]

Ainge already mentioned incremental moves.

Looks like Ainge will not wait until the trade deadline to make a move.

[Fierce1]

Kemba is going to get traded to Orlando. That’s my trade deadline prediction.

If that happens then the Celts made first step in the right direction.

[Duke4life831]

I don't disagree with you, but you never know with these small market teams.

They're so unpredictable.

They’re predictable enough to know that they would never trade Lonzo for Kemba.

Kemba makes ZERO sense for them, less than zero perhaps.

3 team deal imo.

kemba to orlando
fournier, theis and romeo to nop
ball, reddick and aminu to boston?

In my opinion this would be much more appealing for the Pels, two pieces that fit what they need.

The only negative I have with this is, if theyre looking to move Ball because they dont want to pay him in the summer. Both Fournier and Theis contracts are up this summer and both are unrestricted. So they would run into the same issue of having to pay money to keep them.

[reload141]

If we wanted to hedge our bets and trade for now and future...here is a 5 team trade (because we all know they're likely and happen all the time).

https://tradenba.com/trades/hBwPXgY75

BOS: Lonzo Ball, Wood, Ross, Iguodala
MIA: Oladipo, TT
ORL: Walker, Bledsoe
NOP: Wall, Nunn, BOS 2023 FRP
HOU: Fultz, Reddick, Olynyk, Fournier, BOS 2025 FRP

Boston gets a more suitable PG in style and age for Tatum/Brown, a promising young PF and bench vets with scoring.
Miami gets an SG in prime age and a good defensive backup centre.
Orlando gets a more experienced and better PG combo without losing their frontcourt.
New Orleans gets PGs of better fit (debatable) and out of having to pay Ball, Bledsoe and Reddick and a FRP.
Houston get Fultz who is young and started to show something on a decent long term contract, a bunch of expiring salaries and a FRP.

Trade/cut Edwards/Green/Teague
Get cheap backup centre banger type like Baynes

Ball/Brown/Tatum/Wood/R.Williams
Smart/Ross/Iguodala/Ojeleye/Theis
PP/Langford/Nesmith/G.Williams/Baynes

Waters/Fall

[reload141]

I agree with you about Lonzo, especially his defense.

I would trade Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen for Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick.

This was my trade proposal for Lonzo.

If the Pels don't think they can keep Lonzo, I think this is a good trade for both teams.

LaVar Ball made it clear New Orleans is not the place for Lonzo.

So Lonzo, Bledsoe, and Redick for Kemba, Grant Williams, and Carsen is fair.

Kemba gives the Pels stability at the PG position because he's still under contract until 2023.

The Pels would also be dumping Bledsoe's contract on the Celtics.

Havent we beaten this argument to death already? Kemba on the Pels makes zero sense. For all the reasons you want Kemba away from Boston, all those points stand for the Pels. Plus its even stronger with the Pels because Zion/Ingram are more consistent as the #1 and #2 options than Tatum/Brown are.

Again if you want to use Kemba to get Lonzo, youre going to most likely have to get a 3rd team to take Kemba.

No. We have not beaten it to death.

WE WILL SPEAK IT INTO EXISTENCE!!

[GoCeltics123]

Read on Twitter

Offer them Kemba and 4 firsts anyway, Danny

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

If we wanted to hedge our bets and trade for now and future...here is a 5 team trade (because we all know they're likely and happen all the time).

https://tradenba.com/trades/hBwPXgY75

BOS: Lonzo Ball, Wood, Ross, Iguodala
MIA: Oladipo, TT
ORL: Walker, Bledsoe
NOP: Wall, Nunn, BOS 2023 FRP
HOU: Fultz, Reddick, Olynyk, Fournier, BOS 2025 FRP

Boston gets a more suitable PG in style and age for Tatum/Brown, a promising young PF and bench vets with scoring.
Miami gets an SG in prime age and a good defensive backup centre.
Orlando gets a more experienced and better PG combo without losing their frontcourt.
New Orleans gets PGs of better fit (debatable) and out of having to pay Ball, Bledsoe and Reddick and a FRP.
Houston get Fultz who is young and started to show something on a decent long term contract, a bunch of expiring salaries and a FRP.

Trade/cut Edwards/Green/Teague
Get cheap backup centre banger type like Baynes

Ball/Brown/Tatum/Wood/R.Williams
Smart/Ross/Iguodala/Ojeleye/Theis
PP/Langford/Nesmith/G.Williams/Baynes

Waters/Fall

I added Baynes at the end just to get your attention.