Lonzo Ball - What's your opinion of him?

seren · Post #221 » by **seren** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:43 pm

Here is the Ball trade I would do: Ball plus their pick for nothing. We get paid deservedly for a salary dump

3toheadmelo · Post #222 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:46 pm

Reign23 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

That's too much money to spend on guys who aren't all-stars because both would require overpays for us to get, so you have to pick one or the other IMO.

How about Lonzo and Powell?

Lonzo and Trent/Powell would be a dream offseason for me. and yes, I know Trent is in a slump right now.

Trent is why I called him Tim Hardaway. Just a very streaky player.

Post #223 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:46 pm

seren wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:What's the trade for Lonzo? Be realistic too, as bad as Obi has been they aren't throwing him or IQ into any trades for non-stars. I think the Mavericks pick is losing steam, they are obviously going to make the playoffs barring a catastrophic injury to Luka, and a pick in the 20s may not address our glaring need for a PG. There are no FA PGs outside of Lonzo for the foreseeable future, so I think if we do make a trade for Lonzo it starts with the Mavs pick.

Reddick
Ball

For

Frank
Rivers
Mavs 2021 or 2023
One of our potpourri of 2nds

- Saves them some money
- Gives them some assets
- Beats whatever the Clippers can offer

Why are we giving a first round pick for a highly flawed point guard who will be a restricted free agent in couple of months?

It puts us in the drivers' seat to resign him.

If you don't like Ball you won't like it. I do value him. I think he'd be a great fit with RJ/Randle and as a defender under Thibs.

Post #224 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:47 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Reign23 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:How about Lonzo and Powell?

Lonzo and Trent/Powell would be a dream offseason for me. and yes, I know Trent is in a slump right now.

Trent is why I called him Tim Hardaway. Just a very streaky player.

Powell would be preferred.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #225 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:48 pm

seren wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:What's the trade for Lonzo? Be realistic too, as bad as Obi has been they aren't throwing him or IQ into any trades for non-stars. I think the Mavericks pick is losing steam, they are obviously going to make the playoffs barring a catastrophic injury to Luka, and a pick in the 20s may not address our glaring need for a PG. There are no FA PGs outside of Lonzo for the foreseeable future, so I think if we do make a trade for Lonzo it starts with the Mavs pick.

Reddick
Ball

For

Frank
Rivers
Mavs 2021 or 2023
One of our potpourri of 2nds

- Saves them some money
- Gives them some assets
- Beats whatever the Clippers can offer

Why are we giving a first round pick for a highly flawed point guard who will be a restricted free agent in couple of months?

Do you think Thibs is going to play multiple rookies 20mpg next season? Going after Lonzo now is to get his bird rights, make a push for the playoffs while staying flexible and addressing a need with a young player who can grow with the core group.

A team in the hunt for the title wants Lonzo, yet you're saying we shouldn't go after him? Help that make sense.

Richard4444 · Post #226 » by **Richard4444** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:49 pm

Capn'O wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
Balls Cap Hold is huge. His birds are not very valuable.

His Bird Rights are the entire reason you make a move for him now. It's very valuable if you are interested in him as a player.

Yup. You get around the hold by moving early to sign.

His Cap Hold is around 27M. It's bigger than his next salary. In terms of cap space, it's indifferent to sign him now or later.

The advantages of trading for him now:
- to make him RFA and be able to match any offers.
- to beat the competition (more teams could be willing to get him or sign and trade for him in Free Agency)
- to win now

3toheadmelo · Post #227 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:52 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Reign23 wrote:Lonzo and Trent/Powell would be a dream offseason for me. and yes, I know Trent is in a slump right now.

Trent is why I called him Tim Hardaway. Just a very streaky player.

Powell would be preferred.

By a long shot for me. If we can’t get Powell, I would wait another year and keep the cap space open for Lavine. I don’t want to be stuck with another Tim hardaway 2.0 scenario.

Reign23 · Post #228 » by **Reign23** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:01 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Trent is why I called him Tim Hardaway. Just a very streaky player.

Powell would be preferred.

By a long shot for me. If we can’t get Powell, I would wait another year and keep the cap space open for Lavine. I don’t want to be stuck with another Tim hardaway 2.0 scenario.

tim was never that talented and never that good of a shooter. and trent doesn't have to be the first or second option. big difference imo.

Post #229 » by **GONYK** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:05 pm

This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #230 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:10 pm

GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

No thanks, Jaxson Hayes is terrible. Hollinger just going overboard, the trade doesn't need to be this complicated.

3toheadmelo · Post #231 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:12 pm

Reign23 wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Powell would be preferred.

By a long shot for me. If we can’t get Powell, I would wait another year and keep the cap space open for Lavine. I don’t want to be stuck with another Tim hardaway 2.0 scenario.

tim was never that talented and never that good of a shooter. and trent doesn't have to be the first or second option. big difference imo.

Their stats are very similar

Tim Hardaway: 16.3 PPG 44% FG 38% from 3
Trent: 15.2 PPG 41% FG 39% from 3

They’re pretty much the same players to me.

Clyde_Style · Post #232 » by **Clyde_Style** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:12 pm

GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

Ugh

Shore up PG just to decimate our interior defense. There has to be a deal where Mitch is not involved

3toheadmelo · Post #233 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:12 pm

GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

Thanks for posting this. I hope it ruins sham’s day.

HarthorneWingo · Post #234 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:15 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

Thanks for posting this. I hope it ruins sham’s day.

Can I lick your tears when it doesn't happen?

HarthorneWingo · Post #235 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:16 pm

GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

sol537 · Post #236 » by **sol537** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:17 pm

Burks + Payton + two 2nd rounders + cash

for

Lonzo + Reddick

Otherwise... they can kick rocks.

TKKnicks1 · Post #237 » by **TKKnicks1** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:20 pm

Lonzo is not worth Mitch and a first round draft pick. Not on an expiring contract. Give em one of the other "youts" Frank, Obi or Knox plus a pick. Throw in Payton so I dont have to see his fugly self anymore.

3toheadmelo · Post #238 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:20 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

Thanks for posting this. I hope it ruins sham’s day.

Can I lick your tears when it doesn't happen?

Stay away from me old man

HarthorneWingo · Post #239 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:21 pm

Don't trade for him. If he really wants to come here, maybe in the off season as a free agent. And I'm not even that crazy about that. We need to take our time on him.

Post #240 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:36 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
GONYK wrote:This is the trade John Hollinger posed in his article for the Athletic:

Knicks get:
Lonzo Ball
JJ Redick
Jaxson Hayes

Pelicans get:
Mitchell Robinson
Elfrid Payton
Austin Rivers
Ignas Brazdeikis
Dallas’ 2021 first-round pick
Lightly protected 2021 Knicks first-round pick

Thanks for posting this. I hope it ruins sham’s day.

you wouldn't touch that trade either