Lonzo Ball Thread (UPDATE: Bulls Offer Sato + 2nd Round picks)

[kodo]

I have to wonder if Lonzo would sign for 2 or 3 million less per year to be the starting PG in a major market?

He'd be crazy not too IMO. He needs to think about his long term career & value, not $2M or $3M now.

If Lavine had stayed a 6th man in Minny or some 3rd option in Sac behind Fox/Hield, he wouldn't be looking at a guaranteed max contract at 25.

PG is extremely stacked throughout the league, there aren't too many teams he can walk into and start and get a ton of touches. Even the Pels don't want to run the ball through him, they'd rather use Zion & Ingram. His inability to shoot off the dribble is very problematic, Chicago is one of the few places that A) guarantees him a long term starting PG spot B) has a young SG good enough to relieve almost all scoring pressure off of him.

There were rumors all season his agent prefers him to land in Chicago, it's to his advantage.

[kodo]

Sato, WCJ, Otto Porter Jr. (expiring) & a 2nd round pick

For

Lonzo Ball & Stephen Adams


C Adams / Young
F Markkanen / Young
F Temple / Williams
G LaVine / Valentine
G Ball / White

I'd throw in a lot more to make that happen. I've always liked Adams more than he's worth though.

[RSP83]

I have to wonder if Lonzo would sign for 2 or 3 million less per year to be the starting PG in a major market?

He'd be crazy not too IMO. He needs to think about his long term career & value, not $2M or $3M now.

If Lavine had stayed a 6th man in Minny or some 3rd option in Sac behind Fox/Hield, he wouldn't be looking at a guaranteed max contract at 25.

PG is extremely stacked throughout the league, there aren't too many teams he can walk into and start and get a ton of touches. Even the Pels don't want to run the ball through him, they'd rather use Zion & Ingram. His inability to shoot off the dribble is very problematic, Chicago is one of the few places that A) guarantees him a long term starting PG spot B) has a young SG good enough to relieve almost all scoring pressure off of him.

There were rumors all season his agent prefers him to land in Chicago, it's to his advantage.

This is true, Chicago is a good destination for young PG who's trying to make a name for himself. The future PG role is still wide open, and you have a Top 5 scorer in the league in Zach Lavine as your backcourt running mate. And Zach is a guy who have shown that he has no problem sharing the playmaking duty, he's even more effective when somebody else is the primary ball-handler.

[NecessaryEvil]

Sato, WCJ, Otto Porter Jr. (expiring) & a 2nd round pick

For

Lonzo Ball & Stephen Adams


C Adams / Young
F Markkanen / Young
F Temple / Williams
G LaVine / Valentine
G Ball / White

You should put that on the trade board and see what you get.

Feel free to do so if you'd like to my friend....

[RSP83]

Sato, WCJ, Otto Porter Jr. (expiring) & a 2nd round pick

For

Lonzo Ball & Stephen Adams


C Adams / Young
F Markkanen / Young
F Temple / Williams
G LaVine / Valentine
G Ball / White

I'd throw in a lot more to make that happen. I've always liked Adams more than he's worth though.

Getting Adams too? no brainer. This team need a big who teams will think twice to drive to the lane. And Adams is a brick wall. I'd trade anybody on our team not named Zach Lavine, Patrick Williams, and FRP. Parting ways with Thad might be difficult, and don't know how Zach is going to react to trading away Thad who he thinks is the team's MVP. Clearly the 2nd most important player on our team right now.

[WindyCityBorn]

I hope Sato has a 2nd was early negotiation, but maybe the don’t want to give Carter or White for a guy they can sign this off-season, but that gives the Pelicans or whoever the trade him to the ability to match.

[weneeda2guard]

If there is a bit of a bidding war going on for ball and it's us vs Atlanta I think we might have a bit of a advantage considering Atlanta clearly has its pg for the future and we are void of that, and ball and his agent have pretty much campaigned to come to Chicago.

Part of me feels the talk with atl isn't as deep as they are making it and new Orleans is playing that up to try and get more out of us. I would call their bluff and if atl gets him we can then just sign him to a offer sheet this off season of which it's likely Atlanta won't match.

[PaKii94]

I would want lonzo to pair with Lavine and lauri. They both haven't played with a legit PG in their career

[ZOMG]

Hell no to bringing in Adams - and I LIKE the guy. We don't need to replicate the exact problems he's causing at NO. He clogs he paint, is non-switchable, offers no shooting or scoring.

Ingram is practically running into Adams when he tried to drive to the bucket. It would just make LaVine's job harder.

[ZOMG]

Hell no to bringing in Adams - and I LIKE the guy. We don't need to replicate the exact problems he's causing at NO. He clogs he paint, is non-switchable, offers no shooting or scoring.

Ingram is practically running into Adams when he tried to drives to the bucket. This would just make LaVine's job harder.

[coldfish]

You bring in Ball and give him $20m. Extend Lauri at $20m. Give Lavine $35m.

That's a team that is pretty tapped out financially and is pretty much exactly what you have right now. Just turrible GM'ing.

[BullChit]

You bring in Ball and give him $20m. Extend Lauri at $20m. Give Lavine $35m.

That's a team that is pretty tapped out financially and is pretty much exactly what you have right now. Just turrible GM'ing.

Unless it works haha... And at that point it was very fortuitous GM'ing

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[CobyWhite0]

You bring in Ball and give him $20m. Extend Lauri at $20m. Give Lavine $35m.

That's a team that is pretty tapped out financially and is pretty much exactly what you have right now. Just turrible GM'ing.

I see zero chance of that happening. I think AK and BD have made it clear that they are looking for two-way players who are versatile on offense. Lauri doesn't pass well and doesn't handle the ball real well, and he's below-average as a rebounder, defender and shot-blocker. That's not the kind of player who's going to get $20 million here, and I'd be shocked if they re-signed him or matched an offer sheet that goes over $15-17 million per year.

Though I agree, giving them $20 million each would be turrible.

[CaPiTanAK]

You bring in Ball and give him $20m. Extend Lauri at $20m. Give Lavine $35m.

That's a team that is pretty tapped out financially and is pretty much exactly what you have right now. Just turrible GM'ing.

I see zero chance of that happening. I think AK and BD have made it clear that they are looking for two-way players who are versatile on offense. Lauri doesn't pass well and doesn't handle the ball real well, and he's below-average as a rebounder, defender and shot-blocker. That's not the kind of player who's going to get $20 million here, and I'd be shocked if they re-signed him or matched an offer sheet that goes over $15-17 million per year.

Though I agree, giving them $20 million each would be turrible.

That's an exaggeration. NBA max cap space is about 100-109 mil. Once adjusted for 2-3% inflation, it will be 120-130 mil 4 years from now. The only thing that you should have a short tolerance for is non-contributors making 7 mil or more. You can literally find vets for minimums nowadays. The only thing that teams should have a short tolerance moving forward is picking up 4th year option for lottery picks that haven't shown jack by the end of year 2.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I would want lonzo to pair with Lavine and lauri. They both haven't played with a legit PG in their career

So Sato isnt a legit pg now?

You are setting yourself up to be really disappointed if you think getting Lonzo will look completely different from Sato.

Other than the more dynamic defense and rebounding, the offense and assists will look about the same. We want him because he fits the core age.

[StunnerKO]

Pretty sure it's been verified that Adams can't be traded because of the extension.

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Adams' extension includes a pay cut of $12 million the first season, and the extension is only for two seasons after the current season, so there's no reason he can't be traded.

Adams can’t be traded this season because he signed the extension after august 6th

[Evil_Headband]

Call me crazy but I think Sato would fit in well with New Orleans.

[fleet]

Really starting to wonder about AK.

I think AK is thinking about winning in stages. Billy didn’t come here to tank and slowly build. AK wants to win this season now that he knows he has a true #1 option in Lavine.

If we get Lonzo for something close to Sato and 2nds we get better now and Lonzo fits the mold of player that AK wants...
- Show improvement year to year
- Versatile 2 way
- Can shoot
- Good passer
- High IQ

I’d prefer a Sato and WCJ trade. We send out 17M for next season and probably pay Lonzo something close to that. NOLA can move WCJ to a 3rd team for a 1st or player.

He’s basically becoming like a Joe Johnson, which is nice. /Borat

[Jcool0]

I would want lonzo to pair with Lavine and lauri. They both haven't played with a legit PG in their career

So Sato isnt a legit pg now?

You are setting yourself up to be really disappointed if you think getting Lonzo will look completely different from Sato.

Other than the more dynamic defense and rebounding, the offense and assists will look about the same. We want him because he fits the core age.

Stato is a nice backup PG to have but you don't want him having to be the lead guy.

[sco]

I would want lonzo to pair with Lavine and lauri. They both haven't played with a legit PG in their career

So Sato isnt a legit pg now?

You are setting yourself up to be really disappointed if you think getting Lonzo will look completely different from Sato.

Other than the more dynamic defense and rebounding, the offense and assists will look about the same. We want him because he fits the core age.

Stato is a nice backup PG to have but you don't want him having to be the lead guy.

I think Sato is a fine starting PG, but only if he is your 5th option offensively. He's efficient, but doesn't want to shoot.