Woj: Vuc to Chicago

Parataxis · Post #41 » by **Parataxis** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:19 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:WTF.

Let’s hope this one is fake.

Bulls schedule is about to get brutal, 2021 1st needs lotto protection

It's incredibly difficult to protect the first of multiple FRPs in any meaningful way that works for both teams.

Post #42 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:20 pm

Read on Twitter

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Chicago-Bull-E · Post #43 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:20 pm

Parataxis wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:WTF.

Let’s hope this one is fake.

Bulls schedule is about to get brutal, 2021 1st needs lotto protection

It's incredibly difficult to protect the first of multiple FRPs in any meaningful way that works for both teams.

I’m holding out hope it’s top 10, then 2 2nds in 2022

Post #44 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:20 pm

amcoolio wrote:doesn't the 2021 have to be unprotected because they are also sending out 2023?

That's a crazy gamble for Chicago, what if Lavine gets hurt?

If LaVine gets hurt then it hurts the pick the Magic get....

Spoiler:

letsgobulls23 · Post #45 » by **letsgobulls23** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:20 pm

Prokorov wrote:Unless those are heavily protected firsts i have this as a massive massive win for the Magic.

They pretty much clear 100% of vucs salary with the porter expiring and get if not lotto picks then mid first picks.

What is the bulls motivation? to become the magic?

I feel bad for Lavine.

The Bulls motivation is probably to improve as a basketball team by adding talent, I would assume.

Vuc is 1 of 4 players averaging 24 ppg and 10 rpg, and you feel bad for LaVine? He's finally getting some help.

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #46 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:21 pm

One of my favorite quotes about bringing in AK: “He wasn’t brought in to fall in love with GarPax’s players”.

We are seeing that.

Parataxis · Post #47 » by **Parataxis** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:22 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
Parataxis wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:WTF.

Let’s hope this one is fake.

Bulls schedule is about to get brutal, 2021 1st needs lotto protection

It's incredibly difficult to protect the first of multiple FRPs in any meaningful way that works for both teams.

I’m holding out hope it’s top 10, then 2 2nds in 2022

Do the bulls have two '22 SRPs? I thought they just had the one that can be swapped four different ways or something.

Are you able to trade things that you don't currently have?

Blazinaway · Post #48 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:23 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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maybe Blazers take a look?

Chicago-Bull-E · Post #49 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:23 pm

Parataxis wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:
Parataxis wrote:
It's incredibly difficult to protect the first of multiple FRPs in any meaningful way that works for both teams.

I’m holding out hope it’s top 10, then 2 2nds in 2022

Do the bulls have two '22 SRPs? I thought they just had the one that can be swapped four different ways or something.

Are you able to trade things that you don't currently have?

Could easily be 2nds in consecutive years, that was just an example.

It’s my last shred here, let me have it.

Post #50 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:24 pm

amcoolio wrote:doesn't the 2021 have to be unprotected because they are also sending out 2023?

No.

You can do the 2nd pick as "2 years after pick 1"

So, for instance:
'21 1st (protected lotto in '21, lotto in '22, top 10 in '23, top 8 in '24, top 5 in '25, if not 2 2nds)
'23 1st (Protected lotto until '27, if not in '27 then a 2nd; but 2 years after 1st pick.

So, if first pick is not until '23, 2nd pick starts on the clock at '25 for instance.

Waynearchetype · Post #51 » by **Waynearchetype** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:24 pm

Blazinaway wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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maybe Blazers take a look?

Lauri/GTJ swap makes sense.

Post #52 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:25 pm

Shams has the 21 top 4.

Post #53 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:25 pm

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Chicago-Bull-E · Post #54 » by **Chicago-Bull-E** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:26 pm

Oof, protection is rough.

Hopefully AK looked at the schedule before that trade

tiderulz · Post #55 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:27 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:2021 1st probably still ends up lotto.

Otto Porter a buyout candidate now?

why? if Orlando thinks he can get healthy, they have needed a SF

Post #56 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:28 pm

Yikes

LOVE this for Orlando.

Post #57 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:28 pm

Unprotected in 2023? Is that right? If so that’s a major miss needs top 4 both years minimum

Blazinaway · Post #58 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:28 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:
Blazinaway wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

maybe Blazers take a look?

Lauri/GTJ swap makes sense.

would work for me, just gotta make salaries match

Prokorov · Post #59 » by **Prokorov** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:29 pm

letsgobulls23 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Unless those are heavily protected firsts i have this as a massive massive win for the Magic.

They pretty much clear 100% of vucs salary with the porter expiring and get if not lotto picks then mid first picks.

What is the bulls motivation? to become the magic?

I feel bad for Lavine.

The Bulls motivation is probably to improve as a basketball team by adding talent, I would assume.

Vuc is 1 of 4 players averaging 24 ppg and 10 rpg, and you feel bad for LaVine? He's finally getting some help.

Help to do what? how much does vuc raise their ceiling? And not saying that to be a hater... but we discussed Vuc to the Bulls here last week and i didnt understand it then when there werent even picks involved.

Despite Vuc 25/10 on great efficiency, the magic are 27th offensively and among the worst teams in the league. Yeah he didnt have a ton of help in orlando and they also had injuries but does this move make them any better then the range they are in now (6-10)?

I could see if they retained those picks, or if there are heavy protections. otherwise they basically become the 2017-2019 magic without 2 of their next 3 picks and LAvine could leave in FA after next season.

shrink · Post #60 » by **shrink** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:29 pm

Lonzo Ball seems a foregone conclusion to be traded to CHI, but I wonder if they considered Rubio?

1. Rubio takes less trade assets
2. Less money in the future
3. Already knows how to feed LaVine, to win right now.
4. Helped similar players (Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker) make leaps forward towards stardom
5. Same age as Vooch (30)

Still probably going to be Ball, but ...?

Who won the trade?