It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[jfs1000d]

I'd take KO back. Upgrade in talent. That's all they can do. I can't imagine LMA or Drummond picking the Celtics over Heat/Lakers/Nets. There is no logic to it.

Lma I get. But Drummond needs to play.


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[Andrew McCeltic]

KO or Dieng..

[SmartWentCrazy]

Essentially dumping Theis as an expiring for an another equally expiring player who is worse than Theis, just to save the owner some money is baddddd

This ownership group is in full penny pinch mode

Its to keep us out of the tax, of which we absolutely need to to avoid triggering the repeater tax.

Ainge and the ownership group said two years ago they were ready to start paying the tax. Clearly not.

How can you still defend this? It’s always “next year” with these guys. This group isn’t serious about winning. They care about lining their pockets and being just competitive enough to stay in the playoffs and overachieve to keep the fans base on edge.

There’s a reason Ainge and Wyc have been together since the new ownership group came in. Their business model is working to perfection. Isn’t translating to winning titles though. It’s time for a shake up plain and simple and it needs to start with Ainge going.

Lol, feel free the post search me. Im not an Ainge defender or one who stumps for ownership. Literally have called the 15 year window PR from ownership on wanting to be the Pacers.

But getting mad over not paying the tax this year? Nah. Wouldve been reckless and stupid to do so when were 21-23 and Tatums extension kicks in next year. Resetting the repeater clock is literally the only option.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Welp Vucevic is indeed on the movecevic, alas not to be a newCeltic. Continuecevic.

With Theis and Hayward now gone, I feel compelled to start claiming that Mo Wagner and Evan Fournier look exactly the same. Like, I can’t tell them apart. But I’m just missing the old days when we had the originals and not these cheaper knockoff versions.

You were rightcevic on wanting vucevic over kembacevic

Neithervic was still the best option.

My wanting to trade Hayward for CP3 was the best option lol

[soxfan2003]

Dude was third team all nba two years ago. All star before hurt, and hasn't played well.

That was a really bad selection and it was panned at the time. He made it over Klay Thompson. I am no huge Klay fan but he at least twice as good as Kemba. Other players better as well.

Kemba was a really bad signing. You only pay a few short PGs the max entering their 30's and perhaps the only weak defender at PG under 6"2 I would consider paying the max entering his 30's was Steve Nash. Chris Paul decent defender entering his 30's for a PG... The previous knee surgeries is why is was truly a disastrous signing. Celtics should take their chances on players with shaky health if the upside is worth the downside. With Kemba it clearly wasn't.

I am so opposed to paying most 1 way PGs the max that I must admit unless I knew he could bring KD to the Celtics, I would let Kyrie Irving walk as well if the Celtics didn't already have a great big man at least which the team doesn't. Kyrie has his own health concerns. It is one thing to take your chances on these players from 22-28 when they have health issues but later on it can just be a ticking time bomb.

Kemba didn't have to decline much to be an average starting PG in the NBA that is a poor fit with the Celtics. Do you really want to be playing such a player the max?

Kemba is pretty much back to being Kemba. I know everyone wants to blame Walker for the breakdown on defense but folks this team had dominant defenses with IT it ain't about the PG position. Would I rather pay another guy max dollars sure but I think Kemba is going to give you what you paid him for the rest of the season and probably next season. Hopefully Fournier can take some of the pressure off Walker, Tatum, and Brown so that your not relying on first and second year players to cover a slow half.

The IT Celtics were never a true contender at all. They were overmatched in the playoffs when they faced good teams.... Kemba for all of his faults was an upgrade last post season over IT but when you factor in salary, IT was way better since you could just bench IT and it was okay since he wasn't making too much money and those dollars could be used elsewhere.

I am not solely blaming Kemba for the teams bad defense but he is a big part of it now and a bigger part of it in the post season where teams will actively hunt him even more.

The Celtics never had a truly dominant defense with IT on the court. They did have a top 5 defense with IT on the team in one regular season probably helped out by playing the EC a little more and having a bunch of average to excellent regular season defenders to go alongside IT. But even then IT wasn't a huge minutes starter and was averaging 32.2 MPG.

Celtics team defensive rating. I will only include the two full IT seasons and the year after he left.
2015-16 103.6 (4th of 30) first full IT season
2016-17 108.4 (13th of 30) 2nd IT season with him missing I believe 6 games
2017-18 103.9 (1st of 30) -- IT now gone...

I really don't even think with the number 1 defense in 2017-18 that years Celtics team was truly dominant defensively. Excellent sure but not truly dominant like I have seen some teams of the past.

And in the playoffs IT's defense was totally exposed. In the regular season, coaches don't go matchup hunting as often so IT wasn't quite as exposed. Playoff different story. We saw it last year with Kemba as well. Opponents attacking him...it wasn't as bad as IT but it was still bad.

I'll be the first to say Kemba when healthy for post season basketball better than IT in most situations but that is a low bar.

Danny Ainge himself I have heard 4-5 times say size matters more in the post season and sometimes shorter players really struggle.

If the Celtics didn't have Tatum/Brown but instead had Tim Duncan/Kahwi Leonard or Duncan/Robinson, Kemba Walker at 25 million a year to be the starting PG or 6th man could work out fine. But even the 2017-18 Celtics didn't really build a team capable of truly hiding Kemba.

Al Hoford was a good help defender but even putting Kemba out there would still compromise the defense. Even Kyrie Irving's poor defense at times cost the Celtics against the more talented Bucks. I am not expecting every PG to defend like Gary Payton but you have to factor in even the difference between average defense at PG and bad defense at PG.

Kemba's skillset is really as a bench sparkplug on a great playoff team that has the big men to cover for him somewhat.

[fallguy]

Do not want LMA or Drummond.

Force feed Timelord those minutes.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Do not want LMA or Drummond.

Force feed Timelord those minutes.

LMA + Kemba is baaaaad defensively.

[fallguy]

Today was a good day for the Celtics.

[playa-hater]

Whiteside ... A Drummond ... K.O ... Aldridge ... OPJ

any other expected buyout??

so who should we take??

[fallguy]

Whiteside ... A Drummond ... K.O ... Aldridge ... OPJ

any other expected buyout??

so who should we take??

KO or nobody works for me.

[moonie_mcgee]

He was going into free agency and Ainge went with a younger, taller, less expensive alternative. See Belichick.

Who is also going to free agency after 30 games. That’s the issue lol. Trade an expiring for an expiring.

I understand it was to get under the tax.

I love DT ! but I believe he is a perfect representation of this team ....good and hardworking but not good enough to contend

moving Theis also allows for us to bring in LmA or Drummond ! I want both !! I believe we will get at least one of these guys LmA would give us 5 very good 3pt shooters on floor at the same time ! drummond will gobble up rebounds and finish in the paint at much higher rate that TT ....both these guys along with Fournier give us plenty to throw at Philly bucks and Heat...

Yup we like Theis but he's best as a pf/c off the bench. And we can't beat lottery teams the way we're playing.

[playa-hater]

Whiteside ... A Drummond ... K.O ... Aldridge ... OPJ

any other expected buyout??

so who should we take??

KO or nobody works for me.

I wish we could cut 2 players Edwards or Waters with Komet, then sign OPJ so we could have a tall Wing 3/4 type who can shoot + K.O. spacing matters so much for me.

[sully00]

Not super excited about LMA I would take my chances with Drummond. He is young enough that if it works you could real have something. But the option to sign him to a market deal is probably really limited going to the Knicks makes a lot of sense because they can pay him.

[Fierce1]

I like Ainge assuring Marcus Smart.

It shows that Ainge cares about the Celtic players.

Read on Twitter

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[31to6]

I like Ainge assuring Marcus Smart.

It shows that Ainge cares about the Celtic players.

Read on Twitter

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Danny: "Now go out there and shoot your shot, tiger!"
Marcus: "rrrrrRRRRRraaaaarrrrhhhh!!!"
Backboard/rim: clunk

[moonie_mcgee]

Dude was third team all nba two years ago. All star before hurt, and hasn't played well.

That was a really bad selection and it was panned at the time. He made it over Klay Thompson. I am no huge Klay fan but he at least twice as good as Kemba. Other players better as well.

Kemba was a really bad signing. You only pay a few short PGs the max entering their 30's and perhaps the only weak defender at PG under 6"2 I would consider paying the max entering his 30's was Steve Nash. Chris Paul decent defender entering his 30's for a PG... The previous knee surgeries is why is was truly a disastrous signing. Celtics should take their chances on players with shaky health if the upside is worth the downside. With Kemba it clearly wasn't.

I am so opposed to paying most 1 way PGs the max that I must admit unless I knew he could bring KD to the Celtics, I would let Kyrie Irving walk as well if the Celtics didn't already have a great big man at least which the team doesn't. Kyrie has his own health concerns. It is one thing to take your chances on these players from 22-28 when they have health issues but later on it can just be a ticking time bomb.

Kemba didn't have to decline much to be an average starting PG in the NBA that is a poor fit with the Celtics. Do you really want to be playing such a player the max?

I wa.ted brogdon or just to pass the pg spot to smart for the year.

hated the kemba signing, say it for what it was, danny trying to save face

Kemba is not a playmaker
Kemba is not a defender
Kemba is small
Kemba was getting older and was reliant on speed

Nothing about kemba made/makes him a good fit with the jays.

6th man is the onpy successful role he can have on this team. If both he and fournier start pur offense will be stagnant, fournier numbers will drop and 9ur defense will be atrocious.

I agree and all but maybe instead of Ainge saving face it was Stevens who wanted Kemba.

[BigTrade92]

Not even worth having a legitimate discussion with you about the Celtics but I'll respond to this just to give you the attention you are craving.

That’s nice. Thanks for the clout.

Its to keep us out of the tax, of which we absolutely need to to avoid triggering the repeater tax.

Ainge and the ownership group said two years ago they were ready to start paying the tax. Clearly not.

How can you still defend this? It’s always “next year” with these guys. This group isn’t serious about winning. They care about lining their pockets and being just competitive enough to stay in the playoffs and overachieve to keep the fans base on edge.

There’s a reason Ainge and Wyc have been together since the new ownership group came in. Their business model is working to perfection. Isn’t translating to winning titles though. It’s time for a shake up plain and simple and it needs to start with Ainge going.

Lol, feel free the post search me. Im not an Ainge defender or one who stumps for ownership. Literally have called the 15 year window PR from ownership on wanting to be the Pacers.

But getting mad over not paying the tax this year? Nah. Wouldve been reckless and stupid to do so when were 21-23 and Tatums extension kicks in next year. Resetting the repeater clock is literally the only option.

See, being worried about tax when Tatum and Brown could very well soon be planning an exit once those contacts end is my entire point.

They needed to overhaul this team now and get these guys help. This rag tag roster and a washed up Walker is wasting away a valuable year. There’s no guarantees in the NBA so trying to continually shoot for the future is an out of touch play.

One more year like this and these guys are beginning to pack their bags.

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now that it's over, thread title suggestions:

"Aaron on the Side of Caution in Boston"
"Deadline day not a Barnes-stormer"
"Smart move to stand pat?"
"It was Theis while it lasted"
"Who the **** is 'Luke Kornet'?"

[Fierce1]

It's time for the Celts to go on a run.

No more excuses.

[moonie_mcgee]

Essentially dumping Theis as an expiring for an another equally expiring player who is worse than Theis, just to save the owner some money is baddddd

This ownership group is in full penny pinch mode

Many years ago I read MSG made $1 million a night per event (game, concert, circus, whatever). No kidding. You wonder how much dough the Cs have actually lost w/o fans.