The Official Cunningham vs Suggs Thread #Tank4Either

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I am unsure, as I wish to trade up a few times, but we never done that.

Meanwhile, we might trade one of the 2nd round for a serviceable C, as I am unsure we can compete for one in FA.

Whether we’d actually make such a trade is to be seen but it really depends if Masai finds someone he really likes in the 30s

I suppose some contending team may not want their low 1st, and want to trade for two 2nd round, so that they can sign them as a two-way instead of taking roster spot / salary. However, it is hard to imagine teams would prefer to trade their pick in a stack draft. Some of the guards below 25 can be an immediate help as the 6th man.

Tax teams may trade for the less guaranteed 2nd's also draft and stash use the 2nds for rights.

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Huff, Questa, Garza and Bassey are some backup C option for our ~#45th pick.
The question is, do we want to use this for a backup C who may not even play every game (due to matchup)? As they will be half the effectiveness in the bigger, quicker NBA.

But drafting at ~#45th, we are probably limited to backup or raw PG or SF/PF. Do we want to gamble with our 2nd round picks? Even we trade up in this year, there is not many potential mobile PF/C (may have to wait for draft combine to confirm).

Perhaps we can consider using our 2nd round picks for a starting C, as I don't see we can do better in FA?

If they were starting C material for the modern NBA they would've been drafted in the 1st round. Even Azubuike was taken in the 1st. That's why if not a top 5 pick, would rather try in the 2nd round then use the #10 for Jalen Smith.

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Huff, Questa, Garza and Bassey are some backup C option for our ~#45th pick.
The question is, do we want to use this for a backup C who may not even play every game (due to matchup)? As they will be half the effectiveness in the bigger, quicker NBA.

But drafting at ~#45th, we are probably limited to backup or raw PG or SF/PF. Do we want to gamble with our 2nd round picks? Even we trade up in this year, there is not many potential mobile PF/C (may have to wait for draft combine to confirm).

Perhaps we can consider using our 2nd round picks for a starting C, as I don't see we can do better in FA?

If they were starting C material for the modern NBA they would've been drafted in the 1st round. Even Azubuike was taken in the 1st. That's why if not a top 5 pick, would rather try in the 2nd round then use the #10 for Jalen Smith.

Jalen Smith looks to be a PF (not long enough wingspan). I think trading someone like Robert Williams, Isaiah Stewart type of PF/C (7'4 / 7'5 wingspan) would be ideal. But Jalen Smith does not have the wingspan to be a shot blocker.

If Isaiah Jackson measured that 7'4 length, I think he will be drafted around the 20th pick, just a bit raw to get more than 10 mins.

[Boogie!]

There's been a lot of hype around guard prospects lately that have been underwhelming... Rj barrett WA supposed to be the next big thing and he's meh. Anthony Edwards aside from a few dunks looks pretty raw. How do these guys compare

[Bruin]

There's been a lot of hype around guard prospects lately that have been underwhelming... Rj barrett WA supposed to be the next big thing and he's meh. Anthony Edwards aside from a few dunks looks pretty raw. How do these guys compare

It’s pretty common for young rookies to have struggles and only show flashes. And typically those who actually put up numbers tend to not impact winning so much. Of course there are some exceptions like LaMelo who’s done a lot to make Charlotte better.

In general I think any of the top 5 prospects in this draft would have been in the conversation for 1st overall last year. Cade and Mobley definitely would’ve been 1st with arguments to be made for Suggs, Kuminga, and Green.

Some high picks take a bit longer for them to develop into their potential but when they do, it’s well worth the wait. Ingram didn’t really flourish until he got the opportunity after being traded. Jaylen Brown took a couple years to develop his offensive game after going 3rd overall and now he’s a beast.

I don’t really expect any of the top 5 to come in and instantly make us a contender but within a couple seasons they definitely could help take us to another level.

[WaltFrazier]

There's been a lot of hype around guard prospects lately that have been underwhelming... Rj barrett WA supposed to be the next big thing and he's meh. Anthony Edwards aside from a few dunks looks pretty raw. How do these guys compare

Just as an aside, Barrett was meh as a rookie and even when we played NYK early on this year, but lately he is playing very well. A big guard-wing combo who can handle, create and score.

I'm probably stretching here, but I'm thinking a Ben Simmons lite, not as tall but better shooter.

[Bruin]

AJ Griffin looks like Kawhi!!! Not sure about the defense though.

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Probably not in range to draft him in 2022.

He’s the son of Raptors assistant Adrian Griffin btw. Would be cool to find a way to get him

[Dalek]

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Yoan Makoundou is about 6'9", 20 years old and playing for Cholet in first division in France which has Michael Stockton (John Stockton's son). Cholet has had great NBA talent like Rudy Gobert and most recently Killian Hayes. Makoundou leaps out on film as a rim runner obviously, but he does also have a decent jumper in the small run he has had with Cholet.

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AJ Griffin looks like Kawhi!!! Not sure about the defense though.

Watch on YouTube

Probably not in range to draft him in 2022.

He’s the son of Raptors assistant Adrian Griffin btw. Would be cool to find a way to get him

Mock draft has him in the lottery.
There are many SF prospects next year, but usually Guards impact the game earlier, and have ranked higher, so I am not surprised some guards will raise and push down some of the SF prospects to our range (assume we will be ~20).

[Boogie!]

There's been a lot of hype around guard prospects lately that have been underwhelming... Rj barrett WA supposed to be the next big thing and he's meh. Anthony Edwards aside from a few dunks looks pretty raw. How do these guys compare

It’s pretty common for young rookies to have struggles and only show flashes. And typically those who actually put up numbers tend to not impact winning so much. Of course there are some exceptions like LaMelo who’s done a lot to make Charlotte better.

In general I think any of the top 5 prospects in this draft would have been in the conversation for 1st overall last year. Cade and Mobley definitely would’ve been 1st with arguments to be made for Suggs, Kuminga, and Green.

Some high picks take a bit longer for them to develop into their potential but when they do, it’s well worth the wait. Ingram didn’t really flourish until he got the opportunity after being traded. Jaylen Brown took a couple years to develop his offensive game after going 3rd overall and now he’s a beast.

I don’t really expect any of the top 5 to come in and instantly make us a contender but within a couple seasons they definitely could help take us to another level.

I guess what I'm getting at though is in the past youd get a generational guy top 5... A surefire prospect who will be your franchise player for years to come... I'm wondering if any of these top guys right now are that?

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There's been a lot of hype around guard prospects lately that have been underwhelming... Rj barrett WA supposed to be the next big thing and he's meh. Anthony Edwards aside from a few dunks looks pretty raw. How do these guys compare

Edwards is super inconsistent but the potential is there to be a bigger Wade. Wade was 22 for his rookie year. Edwards is 19 for his rookie year, so he gets 3 years grace before having to put up 20ppg effciently. Edwards isn't shooting well but at 31% is already 3's better than Wade career.

[And1Skip]

I am as anti-tank as they come but we currently have the 7th best odds for the #1 pick at 7.5%. We only have 28 more games to play. We are a worse team in the short term after trading away Norm, TD and Thomas and only getting GTJ back and the shell of Rodney Hood.

We are not out tanking Minny, Detroit, Houston and Orlando. So we are really just looking at Washington (2.5 games behind us) and Cleveland (1 game behind) that could improve our odds. And we don't want to win more games than OKC, CHI, NO, SAC, IND who are within 2.5 games of us.

Even with Lowry on board, we just need to play around 0.500 ball to likely get the best odds we are getting which is the 6th best odds and a 9% chance for Cade (which is not really that different from the #1-5 teams of 14%-10.5%). And Cleveland needs to pick it up. They have beat the 6ers, celtics and us in the last month so it could happen.

With the new lottery odds system, just like what happened last year, there’s a lot more movement in and out of the top 4 picks. It’s almost a crapshoot but being the worse team also has drawbacks in that the pick you end up with is a lot worse than you expected. For example the worse team in league has 14% chance to get #1. It also has a 48% chance to get the #5 pick.

The Raptors are 7th right now which gives them 32% chance to get into top 4, only 20% chance to stay at #7, and 34% chance to drop back to #8 (there’s a 13% chance to drop to #9). So dropping back to 8 is not really a bad scenario, but the 32% chance to get into top4 is nice. If you run the various lotto simulators online you’ll find that many cases those worse teams have a good probability of dropping pack several spots.

Get this, the Minny pick that Warriors own is top3 protected and it has a 60% chance to convey to the Warriors.

[BramptonYute]

Baynes leading us to Cunningham

[WeTheNorth123]

Baynes leading us to Cunningham

and we got people hating on Baynes

This guy is the real MVP

[BoyzNTheHood]

Davion Mitchell is a bad man! And I heard the announcers say his nickname is "Off Night", which is amazing.

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There's been a lot of hype around guard prospects lately that have been underwhelming... Rj barrett WA supposed to be the next big thing and he's meh. Anthony Edwards aside from a few dunks looks pretty raw. How do these guys compare

Just as an aside, Barrett was meh as a rookie and even when we played NYK early on this year, but lately he is playing very well. A big guard-wing combo who can handle, create and score.

I'm probably stretching here, but I'm thinking a Ben Simmons lite, not as tall but better shooter.

Jalen Rose with less playmaking.

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Baynes leading us to Cunningham

and we got people hating on Baynes

This guy is the real MVP

When they win a top 4 pick, Baynes will get his MVP trophy.

#everythinghappens4areason

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Baynes leading us to Cunningham

and we got people hating on Baynes

This guy is the real MVP

When they win a top 4 pick, Baynes will get his MVP trophy.

#everythinghappens4areason

I didn't expect baynes to be this bad.

Why did we waive len so early. We shuda just benched baynes and started len couldn't have been worse.

[Bruin]

Baynes leading us to Cunningham

If we get the 1st pick we need a Baynes statue outside Scotiabank

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Anybody know what the latest draft express/ESPN mock draft looks like these days?