Nope.
His dad bashed us as fans and his sister said "**** em" about us. I don't care if Al tried to makes things better with his statement about what his dad said. He can rot on OKC for all I care.
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Jamaaliver wrote:This kid has developed into a pretty solid prospect. Might be worth targeting if BOS pursues a trade for J Collins in the future.
Jamaaliver wrote:This kid has developed into a pretty solid prospect. Might be worth targeting if BOS pursues a trade for J Collins in the future.
jayu70 wrote:To back up Clint while leaving a PF void?
Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:To back up Clint while leaving a PF void?
No, more like to provide depth in the front court and use as currency in a future trade.
If we do have to part ways with Collins via trade, it's unlikely anyone is giving up a young, All Star caliber PF entering his prime in return. So we just need to get the most attractive trade pieces to move in the future.Spoiler:
Spud2nique wrote:Boston getting Collins? No way, I’d do a sign and trade with 28 teams before Boston.
jayu70 wrote:I guess I have two questions:
1. Who is the "young, All Star caliber PF entering his prime in return" that maybe available?
2. How close is JC to being that "young, All Star caliber PF entering his prime"
I think we need to recalibrate in terms of what an offseason trade expectation is as one of the reasons not to make the trade at the deadline was a playoff push which we are in currently.
The Clint leverage was prior to actually seeing what the JC/CC pairing would actually look like - I would say it has been successful on both offense and defense.
Jamaaliver wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Boston getting Collins? No way, I’d do a sign and trade with 28 teams before Boston.
Man, the perfect, ideal trade is still something like
Washington receives: John Collins, Kevin Huerter, Tyrese Maxey, OKC 1st round pick (protected), ATL 2021 1st round pick, Philly 2021 2nd round pick, Miami 2021 2nd round pick
Philadelphia receives: Brad Beal, Troy Brown, Jr., Daniel Gafford, WAS top-4 protected 2021 pick
Atlanta receives: Ben Simmons, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle, Paul Reed, Philly 2021 1st round pick
But Beal refuses to leave that woebegone franchise.
Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Washington receives: John Collins, Kevin Huerter, Tyrese Maxey, OKC 1st round pick (protected), ATL 2021 1st round pick, Philly 2021 2nd round pick, Miami 2021 2nd round pick
Philadelphia receives: Brad Beal, Troy Brown, Jr., Daniel Gafford, WAS top-4 protected 2021 pick
Atlanta receives: Ben Simmons, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle, Paul Reed, Philly 2021 1st round pick
I dunno it’s fair for sure but I’m back and forth on Ben. I absolutely hate players with no perimeter game.
Love Paul Reed he was my sleeper Paul Millsap type in the draft. Lunch pail guy.
Jamaaliver wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Washington receives: John Collins, Kevin Huerter, Tyrese Maxey, OKC 1st round pick (protected), ATL 2021 1st round pick, Philly 2021 2nd round pick, Miami 2021 2nd round pick
Philadelphia receives: Brad Beal, Troy Brown, Jr., Daniel Gafford, WAS top-4 protected 2021 pick
Atlanta receives: Ben Simmons, Rui Hachimura, Matisse Thybulle, Paul Reed, Philly 2021 1st round pick
I dunno it’s fair for sure but I’m back and forth on Ben. I absolutely hate players with no perimeter game.
Love Paul Reed he was my sleeper Paul Millsap type in the draft. Lunch pail guy.
I thought you might like that Paul Reed inclusion.
I understand your reluctance.
But a starting group of:
Ben Simmons
DeAndre Hunter
Bogdan Bogdan
Trae Young
With Gallinari, Okongwu, Reddish, Thybulle, Rui, Paul Reed
We'd need to unload some forwards and frontcourt players, but damn that's a deep team with shooting, passing, defense and two elite playmakers to bring it all together.
Ball4life32 wrote:And to me...if Simmons/Embidd is a questionable fit then I don’t see anyway Simmons/Capela works. Embidd is more skilled then Capela. Even with Simmons defense, passing and ball handling (which i agree would be great) i just don’t think you can play two guys who can’t score outside of 5 feet together anymore imo..
Bleacher ReportRealistic Offseason Trades NBA
Hawks, Bulls Swap Plateauing Prospects
Atlanta Hawks receive: Coby White
Chicago Bulls receive: Cam Reddish, 2021 second-round pick (via Miami Heat) and 2023 second-round pick (via Portland Trail Blazers)
It isn't often a top-10 pick gets discarded within two years of his selection, so the Hawks and Bulls would be turning a few heads if they swapped their 2019 lottery picks.
But when you think about what each club needs and what each player brings, it isn't hard to see a universe in which they're thriving in the other's jersey.
The Hawks have been hunting for non-Trae Young offense since...well, forever. Despite investments in both supplemental scorers and a backup point guard (Rajon Rondo, who was traded four months into a two-year, $15 million deal), Atlanta's attack still collapses without its floor general. The Hawks' offense loses a whopping 13.5 points per 100 possessions when Young takes a seat.
Plug White into an instant-offense role behind Young and that issue could be solved as soon as the trade is finalized. White's struggles with shooting efficiency (40.8 field-goal percentage) and primary playmaking duties (4.6 assists in 31.4 minutes) are much easier to stomach in spark-plug stretches. And his good nights burn hot enough—11 outings of 20-plus points this season—to change a game's outcome.
Chicago doesn't have much need for a score-first guard with defensive limitations alongside Zach LaVine and Nikola Vucevic. But a defensively versatile wing who can splash open shots and perk up the secondary playmaking? Now you're talking the Bulls' language.
Granted, that description is too flattering for Reddish right now, which is the reason the Hawks might be ready to move on. (He was dangled for Lonzo Ball around the deadline, per The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor.) But Reddish has the tools for that role and he flashes the talent often enough for the Bulls to take the plunge—with the two second-rounders helping to cushion the risk.
White's best version answers a major question for Atlanta. Reddish's best version would be a gift from the basketball gods for Chicago. Even if the odds of either maxing out aren't great, the promise tied to that chance could be enough for each team to bite.
Jamaaliver wrote:Who says no?Bleacher ReportRealistic Offseason Trades NBA
Hawks, Bulls Swap Plateauing Prospects
Atlanta Hawks receive: Coby White
Chicago Bulls receive: Cam Reddish, 2021 second-round pick (via Miami Heat) and 2023 second-round pick (via Portland Trail Blazers)
It isn't often a top-10 pick gets discarded within two years of his selection, so the Hawks and Bulls would be turning a few heads if they swapped their 2019 lottery picks.
But when you think about what each club needs and what each player brings, it isn't hard to see a universe in which they're thriving in the other's jersey.
The Hawks have been hunting for non-Trae Young offense since...well, forever. Despite investments in both supplemental scorers and a backup point guard (Rajon Rondo, who was traded four months into a two-year, $15 million deal), Atlanta's attack still collapses without its floor general. The Hawks' offense loses a whopping 13.5 points per 100 possessions when Young takes a seat.
Plug White into an instant-offense role behind Young and that issue could be solved as soon as the trade is finalized. White's struggles with shooting efficiency (40.8 field-goal percentage) and primary playmaking duties (4.6 assists in 31.4 minutes) are much easier to stomach in spark-plug stretches. And his good nights burn hot enough—11 outings of 20-plus points this season—to change a game's outcome.
Chicago doesn't have much need for a score-first guard with defensive limitations alongside Zach LaVine and Nikola Vucevic. But a defensively versatile wing who can splash open shots and perk up the secondary playmaking? Now you're talking the Bulls' language.
Granted, that description is too flattering for Reddish right now, which is the reason the Hawks might be ready to move on. (He was dangled for Lonzo Ball around the deadline, per The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor.) But Reddish has the tools for that role and he flashes the talent often enough for the Bulls to take the plunge—with the two second-rounders helping to cushion the risk.
White's best version answers a major question for Atlanta. Reddish's best version would be a gift from the basketball gods for Chicago. Even if the odds of either maxing out aren't great, the promise tied to that chance could be enough for each team to bite.
Spud2nique wrote:I don’t say no, I scream it from a mountain top.
kg01 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:I don’t say no, I scream it from a mountain top.
Yeah, you can always find a point guard-sized shooting guard who's not a defender and who can't really run an offense every year in the 2nd round. Why trade for one?