WISEMAN EXPECTATIONS: Year 1

[Mylie10]

Curry was "injury prone". Should have moved him early.

Glass ankles

Another whiff by the front office!

Yeah, that was pretty much me. We all have our turdburger takes. In my defense, I was accustomed to things not going well in Warriorland for going on 40 years

Lol.....we all had suffered for so long. I didn’t remember you saying that. Just thought it was funny in response to Shazam

[Old_Blue]

No way, we need to double down lol.

But you are probably right. The Warriors kind of went away from their identity when they drafted Wiseman by not prioritizing guards and wings. If we stuck to the blue print and drafted LaMelo and signed Dwight or even Drummond we might be the #4 seed. We have no clue how to develop bigs and can't teach them to defend pick and rolls or even run the pick and roll on offense. By getting an older player they at least know how to do these things.

This is well stated. A question that still has yet to be answered is who in the front office was pro-Wiseman and who was pro-LaMelo/Haliburton. What was the process by which we settled on Wiseman? Did Myers make the call? Did Lacob and/or his son make the call? What role did Kerr play? Until we know these facts, we don't know where in the hierarchy of command exist the flaw or flaws that need to be addressed in order to prevent this franchise from making future draft mistakes. It would be a terrible shame to see a #2 pick last year followed by what is likely to be a Top 10 pick this year and a Top 5 pick next year all be squandered by the same inadequate decision making process.

[floppymoose]

Glass ankles

Another whiff by the front office!

Yeah, that was pretty much me. We all have our turdburger takes. In my defense, I was accustomed to things not going well in Warriorland for going on 40 years

Lol.....we all had suffered for so long. I didn’t remember you saying that. Just thought it was funny in response to Shazam

I thought he had bad handles and couldn't deal with nba ball pressure defense.

[GSWFan1994]

Glass ankles

Another whiff by the front office!

Yeah, that was pretty much me. We all have our turdburger takes. In my defense, I was accustomed to things not going well in Warriorland for going on 40 years

Lol.....we all had suffered for so long. I didn’t remember you saying that. Just thought it was funny in response to Shazam

I can attest it's true... I remember reading Sleepy's post in the internet, back in 1981.

[xdrta+]

Yeah, that was pretty much me. We all have our turdburger takes. In my defense, I was accustomed to things not going well in Warriorland for going on 40 years

Lol.....we all had suffered for so long. I didn’t remember you saying that. Just thought it was funny in response to Shazam

I thought he had bad handles and couldn't deal with nba ball pressure defense.

I don't think you were far off at the time. Curry has spent countless hours working on his handles, and his ballhandling and dribbling skills today are nothing like when he came into the league. That would have been hard to predict.

[Mylie10]

Yeah he really took his training to another level. You gotta love how Steph constantly adds something to his game.

[shazam_guy]

I wasn't singling Sleepy out, btw. That's why I didn't name any names -- more than a few, including some board vets still with us, thought he was doomed because of his injury issues early.

I only mentioned it to point out that if we'd bailed on a "problematic" rookie first rounder then, as some felt we should, we'd be looking at a lot emptier Warriors trophy case in 2021.

That's why I'm giving Wiseman at least an offseason and an actual training camp before I really start evaluating the pick. We knew he was going to be raw but I think there's evidence he's going to be a major contributor next year, and that's worth hoping for. Portland more or less gave up on their high-school big man Jermaine O'Neal and traded him away, then regretted it big time later on. Dale Davis had peaked when the Blazers got him but O'Neal got better and better and was a great player for years for Indiana.

[clyde21]

oh jesus christ people in this thread comping Wiseman to Curry now.

[EvanZ]

Do we even have the option of bailing on Wiseman now? Hopefully the injury is not of the serious variety, but if he needs surgery there's a chance he could miss all of training camp and a substantial portion of next season. Look at Jaren Jackson for a recent example. Teams have no guarantee he comes back with the same level of explosiveness either. All of a sudden our trade options would appear even slimmer.

[whatisacenter]

oh jesus christ people in this thread comping Wiseman to Curry now.

Yeah! c’mon people, let’s keep it to bashing the kid, FO and Kerr! Oh and Curry is god like and we have all failed him.

[clyde21]

oh jesus christ people in this thread comping Wiseman to Curry now.

Yeah! c’mon people, let’s keep it to bashing the kid, FO and Kerr! Oh and Curry is god like and we have all failed him.

you guys could've said the injuries won't be an issue or are just outliers without comping him to Steph **** Curry.

[whatisacenter]

Do we even have the option of bailing on Wiseman now? Hopefully the injury is not of the serious variety, but if he needs surgery there's a chance he could miss all of training camp and a substantial portion of next season. Look at Jaren Jackson for a recent example. Teams have no guarantee he comes back with the same level of explosiveness either. All of a sudden our trade options would appear even slimmer.

If they are lucky maybe they can get a couple of future highly protected 2nd rounders for him.

[floppymoose]

Oh geez. Didnt know about the injury until just now.

[Old_Blue]

Oh geez. Didnt know about the injury until just now.

The injury, while bad, isn't even at the top of my concerns. At this point, I'm worried about Wiseman's maturity. The multiple Covid incidents and the revelation that he talks to Durant and Kyrie every day were troubling. Then again, we're talking about a kid who got himself involved in an NCAA recruiting scandal, was suspended for 14 college games and then - once reinstated - quit on his Memphis team. Unless his meniscus is connected to his brain, surgery isn't going to fix Wiseman's bad decision making.

[and1GS]

I don't think it's fair to blame the Memphis debacle on Wiseman. A lot of these guys get paid to play. Wiseman just left too clear a bread crumb trail back to Penny.

[Mylie10]

A lot of talk about Wiseman being mentally weak.....O don’t get this at all.....when you go through the laundry list of items that has happened since the Memphis debacle, it would shake anyone. I’m not going to list it all unless someone gets crazy. And by this point we all know it anyhow.

But the positive angle on some of this to me, is that the kid never went to the medi and complained about anything. Every interview was about working to improve, learning from mistakes, and understanding what we are trying to do.

By all accounts he’s a really hard worker. I mean from every aspect we’ve heard he works hard and wants to learn. KD reached out to him in high school and Wisemans talked to him since. That’s a good thing because LD has a wealth of knowledge when it comes to playing on the court.

I know some of you say he sulks, he’s not aggressive, he’s this he’s that.....yes.....do any of you remember what it’s like to be 19 or 20? I do....and I am currently dealing with my own 19 year old. I wish he was as mature as Wiseman is right now.

But another things you realize when looking at really young players. When they are young and playing against other young players, there is a different confidence level to it. Now jump into a grown mans league and try and maintain that confidence level. Not many players in the league have come in with it. Lamelo was showing confidence early and the fact that he already played in two grown man leagues benefitted him.

It’s fun to look back on guys who were stout in college, come into the league and struggle, and then find that confidence they used to have when their peers from back in the day also become veterans. It’s two different levels.

So pigeon holing a rookie.....especially the ones who have dealt with major issues throughout their first season, is just kind of lame.

[Twinkie defense]

Is he made of glass? Well I suppose at least we can make some ground in the standings while Wiseman marinates in rehab.

[michaelm]

The silver lining here is that maybe teams will be scared off from drafting another big in the top 3 and Mobley will fall to us at 4.

Hah, I was thinking if Mobley dropped, it would scare US off of picking another big. Remember Okongwu and Toppin missed time due to injury this year as well, not to mention our own long history with big issues...Looney, Bogut, Ezeli, Chriss, Taft, etc.

It’s interesting though, there’s a common belief (which I’m also guilty of) that big men are more injury prone than smaller players. But I saw an analysis the other day that shows there’s essentially no correlation between NBA player height and days missed due to injury.

I am guilty of it as well, but am not sure if the same applies to such players remaining spry over a long career.

[WarriorGM]

Is he made of glass? Well I suppose at least we can make some ground in the standings while Wiseman marinates in rehab.

I wonder if you meant this as sarcasm. It's actually a possibility if all the on/off numbers analysis is correct.

[michaelm]

The criticism isn't unique to this forum. Nor, is it specially prepared for Wiseman. Wiseman is a #2 pick. Expectations (as suggested by the very name of this thread) come with the territory when you're picked that high in the draft. Unfortunately, Wiseman hasn't helped his own cause with on court play that has left much to be desired and off court matters that have brought into question his level of maturity. So, when fans react critically to what they're seeing, it's not because they want to see him fail. Just the opposite. They are passionate in their desire to see him succeed and are frustrated with what they perceive to be less than equal passion on Wiseman's part.

He is nineteen. Maybe he was always going to be something of a project and they shouldn’t have used the pick on him because it doesn’t fit with Curry’s window but that is a different argument. Being derided by the fanbase of his own team can’t possibly be helpful.

they shouldn't have used the pick on him because a player like Wiseman doesn't make sense in this offense, not because he doesn't fit in Steph's window. a rookie that does fit this scheme and personnel will also fit in Stephs window.

not sure how many times needs to be repeated.

I believe they thought they were drafting someone with AD or even KD potential, not someone with a ceiling of being a ponderous traditional Center, and had a vet Center in addition to Chriss lined up before Klay went down.

Even to me just now it looks like their hopes were too high. I do agree that Lacob and son shouldn’t be the major makers of basketball decisions if this is what happened.