Rodwilliams wrote:clyde21 wrote:Rodwilliams wrote:
Lebron, James Harden Rockets teams especially the 2017 one. Chris Paul throughout his whole career.
Harden had to average 30 ppg and dish out 8-14 assists for his team to win those Rocket years. I’ll be honest with you, I don’t know their record without him but I’m sure it’s pretty bad. If he wasn’t dropping 30 then the Rockets weren’t winning the game. That’s how bad the team was.
do you have a point you're tryna make or just saying random things just to fill the air
Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.
Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed
Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team
We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.
A G League roster lol. Again, just patently wrong here man. That team was well balanced and well constructed with great shooters and a good inside/out game: Healthy/prime Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson, Ariza, Pat Bev, Clint Capela, Lou Williams later on, etc. The shooting alone makes a world of difference between these rosters, and it bears out in the numbers. 1/3rd of the time Harden was not on the floor, and they outscored opponents by +3.7 in those minutes (those are the numbers of an ELITE role-playing cast. Literally better +/- than any cast Curry has had with him off the floor, including the years KD was there lol). They had 4 players outside of Harden with a BPM of 1.0 or higher. The Warriors have 0 players outside of Curry that could hold that distinction (they literally have ONE player who is not a
negative BPM and it's Draymond at 0.8). These two casts are nothing alike. Once again, the only cast Harden had that was somewhat comparable in its ineptitude (and still a ways away) was in 2015, and Harden - despite playing every game - could not lead them to over .500.
The Blazers this season are a -4.5 with Lillard off the court (the Warriors again a -8.0), and a +1.5 with him on (the Warriors are better at +2.1 with Curry on).
CP3 is a better example but he had a better cast as well. They had a great D and 3 players in Shai-Gilgeous, Schroeder and Gallinari who outscored him along with Steven Adams gobbling up all the offensive rebounds and getting it out to their talented perimeter players.
Bottom line, none of these guys including LBJ have had net differentials the likes of Curry on the pre-KD Warriors. He is the ultimate weapon in taking a good team to be legendary, but he's also among the best floor raisers the game has seen. RPM accounts for your teammates and opponents when adjusting for differential, and these are Curry's ranks in the past decade starting from 2010/11: 27, N/A, 26, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, N/A, 2. There's a reason why after KD went down mid-game/series (in a tied series) against Houston he was immediately able to level up and lead them to blow by Harden/CP3 and sweep Dame/CJ in the Western Conference Finals. He's always been their best player. Two MVP's (only unanimous), 5 Finals and 3 ships in that time. Recognize greatness when it's slapping you across the face.
Unfortunately, some casts simply can't be carried to great heights, especially when they go 1-7 by an average of 15 point losses when Curry misses a small stretch of the season.
