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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1761 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:11 pm

Rodwilliams wrote:
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Lebron, James Harden Rockets teams especially the 2017 one. Chris Paul throughout his whole career.

Harden had to average 30 ppg and dish out 8-14 assists for his team to win those Rocket years. I’ll be honest with you, I don’t know their record without him but I’m sure it’s pretty bad. If he wasn’t dropping 30 then the Rockets weren’t winning the game. That’s how bad the team was.


do you have a point you're tryna make or just saying random things just to fill the air



Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.

Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed

Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team

We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.



cool story, go ahead and take Harden and Cp3 over Steph, no one cares.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1762 » by Rodwilliams » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:16 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
do you have a point you're tryna make or just saying random things just to fill the air



Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.

Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed

Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team

We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.



cool story, go ahead and take Harden and Cp3 over Steph, no one cares.



Cool but make sure you are around when the Nets win the championship this year and CP3 takes the Suns to the Conference Finals. Maybe we can revisit this and see what you have to say about it then.
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Not if the team doesn’t have elite defenders[/quote]
What a pointless statement.Every Finals team had elite role players[/quote]
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1763 » by Jadoogar » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:17 pm

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They're 1-7 when he isn't playing. This team is REALLY bad without him.


including getting spanked by the raptors by 50+. and the raptors SUCK


The Raps beat a healthy Denver squad by 20 last month, the Nugs then won their next 9 games in a row.

Random regular season games are never the base for a good argument. Nor is anything where the sample size = 1.


well they are also 1-7 without curry overall so it's not just a 1 game sample. The 50 point beatdown was in addition to their overall record. They are very bad without Curry
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Post#1764 » by BoatsNZones » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:34 pm

Rodwilliams wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:

Lebron, James Harden Rockets teams especially the 2017 one. Chris Paul throughout his whole career.

Harden had to average 30 ppg and dish out 8-14 assists for his team to win those Rocket years. I’ll be honest with you, I don’t know their record without him but I’m sure it’s pretty bad. If he wasn’t dropping 30 then the Rockets weren’t winning the game. That’s how bad the team was.


do you have a point you're tryna make or just saying random things just to fill the air



Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.

Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed

Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team

We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.

A G League roster lol. Again, just patently wrong here man. That team was well balanced and well constructed with great shooters and a good inside/out game: Healthy/prime Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson, Ariza, Pat Bev, Clint Capela, Lou Williams later on, etc. The shooting alone makes a world of difference between these rosters, and it bears out in the numbers. 1/3rd of the time Harden was not on the floor, and they outscored opponents by +3.7 in those minutes (those are the numbers of an ELITE role-playing cast. Literally better +/- than any cast Curry has had with him off the floor, including the years KD was there lol). They had 4 players outside of Harden with a BPM of 1.0 or higher. The Warriors have 0 players outside of Curry that could hold that distinction (they literally have ONE player who is not a negative BPM and it's Draymond at 0.8). These two casts are nothing alike. Once again, the only cast Harden had that was somewhat comparable in its ineptitude (and still a ways away) was in 2015, and Harden - despite playing every game - could not lead them to over .500.

The Blazers this season are a -4.5 with Lillard off the court (the Warriors again a -8.0), and a +1.5 with him on (the Warriors are better at +2.1 with Curry on).

CP3 is a better example but he had a better cast as well. They had a great D and 3 players in Shai-Gilgeous, Schroeder and Gallinari who outscored him along with Steven Adams gobbling up all the offensive rebounds and getting it out to their talented perimeter players.

Bottom line, none of these guys including LBJ have had net differentials the likes of Curry on the pre-KD Warriors. He is the ultimate weapon in taking a good team to be legendary, but he's also among the best floor raisers the game has seen. RPM accounts for your teammates and opponents when adjusting for differential, and these are Curry's ranks in the past decade starting from 2010/11: 27, N/A, 26, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, N/A, 2. There's a reason why after KD went down mid-game/series (in a tied series) against Houston he was immediately able to level up and lead them to blow by Harden/CP3 and sweep Dame/CJ in the Western Conference Finals. He's always been their best player. Two MVP's (only unanimous), 5 Finals and 3 ships in that time. Recognize greatness when it's slapping you across the face.

Unfortunately, some casts simply can't be carried to great heights, especially when they go 1-7 by an average of 15 point losses when Curry misses a small stretch of the season.

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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1765 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:37 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
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including getting spanked by the raptors by 50+. and the raptors SUCK


The Raps beat a healthy Denver squad by 20 last month, the Nugs then won their next 9 games in a row.

Random regular season games are never the base for a good argument. Nor is anything where the sample size = 1.


well they are also 1-7 without curry overall so it's not just a 1 game sample. The 50 point beatdown was in addition to their overall record. They are very bad without Curry


15-53 dating back to last year without Steph

basically the single worst team in the league.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1766 » by SAKURABA216 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:19 pm

bovice wrote:
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bovice wrote:steph curry's style of play isn't conducive to getting free throws. I think we can all agree to that, right?

you have to ask yourself when going thru his game log why his biggest nights are when he has double digit free throw attempts. these games are manufactured.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say. But if you go through any player who produces 50+ points, they all consistent of double digit free throws. Manufactured in the sense I believe you are alluding to would be guys going to the line 15-20 times a night and hardly ever hitting 40/50 points. James Harden, Trae Young, for example.

Curry literately just dropped 38 the night before on 4 free throws. No other superstar in the league is less dependant on flopping/fishing for fouls.


my point is that unlike harden/lebron/westbrook/etc...whose games relies on contact, i find it odd when curry gets 16 free throw attempts in 1 game. it's not his playstyle and it leads me to believe there were some questionable calls in his favor.

sure, curry has had 40/50+ nights with low free throws attempts and probably holds some sort of record in that regard, but this season his biggest nights tend to be in games where he had higher than average throw attempts and i find it suspect.



This is easily verifiable though, why don't you watch one of those games and find out whether or not this is a true statement instead of going off of "it's not his playstyle"...therefore..."there were some questionable calls in his favor."
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1767 » by The_Hater » Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:06 pm

Jadoogar wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:
including getting spanked by the raptors by 50+. and the raptors SUCK


The Raps beat a healthy Denver squad by 20 last month, the Nugs then won their next 9 games in a row.

Random regular season games are never the base for a good argument. Nor is anything where the sample size = 1.


well they are also 1-7 without curry overall so it's not just a 1 game sample. The 50 point beatdown was in addition to their overall record. They are very bad without Curry


For sure
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Post#1768 » by dhsilv2 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:23 pm

Rodwilliams wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:

Lebron, James Harden Rockets teams especially the 2017 one. Chris Paul throughout his whole career.

Harden had to average 30 ppg and dish out 8-14 assists for his team to win those Rocket years. I’ll be honest with you, I don’t know their record without him but I’m sure it’s pretty bad. If he wasn’t dropping 30 then the Rockets weren’t winning the game. That’s how bad the team was.


do you have a point you're tryna make or just saying random things just to fill the air



Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.

Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed

Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team

We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.


Trevor Ariza, Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Patrick Beverly, and Clint Capella are now G leaders?
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1769 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:33 pm

let me show Rod what a g league roster looks like

Jordan Poole - G league THIS season
Nico Mannion - G league THIS season
Alen Smailagic - G league THIS season
Mychal Mulder - G league last year
Juan Toscano-Anderson - Mexican league 2 years ago
Damion Lee - G league 2 years ago
Brad Wanamaker- Turkey league 3 years ago
James Wiseman - rookie, who should have been in the G League instead
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1770 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:38 pm

that Harden season, there were 4 Houston players in the top 45 in RPM (Harden, Gordon, Lou, Beverly)

this year, the next Warrior in RPM after Steph (who's 2nd) is Jordan Poole (68th) and the 3rd best is Mulder (105th).
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1771 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:43 pm

RPM rankings for Warriors (overall in the league)

2 - Steph
68 - Poole
105 - Mulder
192 - Lee
198 - Bazemore
204 - Wiggins
227 - JTA
230 - Dray
276 - Paschall
299 - Wanamaker
305 - Nico
332 - Loon
367 - Oubre
474 - Wisman

the average RPM ranking for non-Steph Warriors is 252.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1772 » by BoatsNZones » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:46 pm

clyde21 wrote:that Harden season, there were 4 Houston players in the top 45 in RPM (Harden, Gordon, Lou, Beverly)

this year, the next Warrior in RPM after Steph (who's 2nd) is Jordan Poole (68th) and the 3rd best is Mulder (105th).

Should add that Poole plays mid-level minutes after being called back up from the G-league midseason and Mulder effectively does not play on the team (15th man role).
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Post#1773 » by CptCrunch » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:50 pm

clyde21 wrote:RPM rankings for Warriors (overall in the league)

2 - Steph
68 - Poole
105 - Mulder
192 - Lee
198 - Bazemore
204 - Wiggins
227 - JTA
230 - Dray
276 - Paschall
299 - Wanamaker
305 - Nico
332 - Loon
367 - Oubre
474 - Wisman

the average RPM ranking for non-Steph Warriors is 252.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's because Curry isn't an floor raiser. Harden is the greatest floor raiser in modern history if we forget LeBron exists.

Curry simply doesn't elevate his team.
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Post#1774 » by clyde21 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:52 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
clyde21 wrote:RPM rankings for Warriors (overall in the league)

2 - Steph
68 - Poole
105 - Mulder
192 - Lee
198 - Bazemore
204 - Wiggins
227 - JTA
230 - Dray
276 - Paschall
299 - Wanamaker
305 - Nico
332 - Loon
367 - Oubre
474 - Wisman

the average RPM ranking for non-Steph Warriors is 252.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's because Curry isn't an floor raiser. Harden is the greatest floor raiser in modern history if we forget LeBron exists.

Curry simply doesn't elevate his team.


i don't think you understand what RPM is.
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Post#1775 » by WarriorGM » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:00 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
clyde21 wrote:RPM rankings for Warriors (overall in the league)

2 - Steph
68 - Poole
105 - Mulder
192 - Lee
198 - Bazemore
204 - Wiggins
227 - JTA
230 - Dray
276 - Paschall
299 - Wanamaker
305 - Nico
332 - Loon
367 - Oubre
474 - Wisman

the average RPM ranking for non-Steph Warriors is 252.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's because Curry isn't an floor raiser. Harden is the greatest floor raiser in modern history if we forget LeBron exists.

Curry simply doesn't elevate his team.


Oubre has been criticized as a bad fit for the team who had a horrendous start to the season. He's moved up to 367 from 449 the previous season.

Wiggins is at 204 this year compared to 273 last year.

Looney 332 from 491.

Harden hasn't led a roster near as bad as the one Steph is leading now.
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Post#1776 » by sasquatchBob » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:01 pm

Warriors roster is just not that good. Wiggins and Oubre are pretty much wild cards that have never proven anything and their bench is G league material. West is strong. You can't get away with mediocre/not proven players in that conference. I don't think you can blame Curry. He has looked phenomenal this season.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1777 » by The_Hater » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:09 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
do you have a point you're tryna make or just saying random things just to fill the air



Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.

Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed

Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team

We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.


Trevor Ariza, Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Patrick Beverly, and Clint Capella are now G leaders?


I feel infinitely dumber about basketball every time I end up reading his threads/posts. It’s nothing but hyperbole and completely lacking in facts and common sense.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed 

Post#1778 » by The_Hater » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:
clyde21 wrote:RPM rankings for Warriors (overall in the league)

2 - Steph
68 - Poole
105 - Mulder
192 - Lee
198 - Bazemore
204 - Wiggins
227 - JTA
230 - Dray
276 - Paschall
299 - Wanamaker
305 - Nico
332 - Loon
367 - Oubre
474 - Wisman

the average RPM ranking for non-Steph Warriors is 252.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


That's because Curry isn't an floor raiser. Harden is the greatest floor raiser in modern history if we forget LeBron exists.

Curry simply doesn't elevate his team.


i don't think you understand what RPM is.


I was just about to write this same reply.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.


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Post#1779 » by MindState » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:11 pm

sasquatchBob wrote:Warriors roster is just not that good. Wiggins and Oubre are pretty much wild cards that have never proven anything and their bench is G league material. West is strong. You can't get away with mediocre/not proven players in that conference. I don't think you can blame Curry. He has looked phenomenal this season.


Its Curry + role players. Meanwhile almost every other decent team in the west has at the very minimum two all-stars level teammates, and in alot of cases three.

You cant be a good team in the west with only 1 all-star on your roster. You might be able to get away with it in the east, but thats still a stretch.

Even the underperforming and dissapointing Celtics have 3 all-star level players on their roster.
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Post#1780 » by Warriors Analyst » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:13 pm

The_Hater wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Rodwilliams wrote:

Harden lead those Rockets to a 3rd seed with a G league roster in 2017.

Chris Paul lead a OkC team to the 5th seed

Dame was hovering around the 4th-6th seed this season with a injured depleted team

We know the story with Lebron already. Curry has lead the Warriors to 10th place, possibly 8th seed if he didn’t get injured. He’s having a great season yes but not the floor raiser like the guys I mentioned above.


Trevor Ariza, Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, Patrick Beverly, and Clint Capella are now G leaders?


I feel infinitely dumber about basketball every time I end up reading his threads/posts. It’s nothing but hyperbole and completely lacking in facts and common sense.


Rod is one of multiple posters who bumps dead threads to push the same anti-Curry agenda. I really don't understand what compels someone to spend that go searching the word "Curry" on the general board and bumping those threads other than an unhealthy obsession or a paid gig to denigrate Curry.

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