GT: Game #56 - Charlotte @ Brooklyn (April 16th)

[DY_nasty]

biyombo and zeller have been our long term for nearly a decade and he's shown more than both ever have while we've wasted nearly an entire season making up reasons for the guy not to play. dude is clearly serviceable when more times than not, the guys ahead of him *might be* on a good night.

Hes literally only played meaningful minutes in one game. I'd rather give just about any young player a shot over Biyombo, so I'm not arguing he shouldn't be getting an opportunity or anything, but if your take is that after one game Carey is definitely serviceable and his defense doesn't matter at all, then I really don't know what to say. Zeller has had 20/6 games before...

we've been out here running lineups where bridges was the tallest guy on the court because biz and cody couldn't hang and PJ was in the dog house.

biyombo can't even catch and go up without an entire arena being in awe but this dude is out here playing better defense with 5 fouls than cody does on his best nights this year. teams get away with ignoring an entire position when they play us.

take away the fadeaways, the drives that started from the 3pt line, and even say he continues with the same foul rate. all the exceptional things that are gonna stand out tonight. just bottom out all expectations - he's still better than biz because the hands are there, he can move his feet, and demand a body be put on him because he locates easy buckets under the rim.

we legit expect biz to fail at things any starting center should be able to do on a regular basis and have completely normalized that. biyombo shouldn't be seeing more than 10 minutes a night anywhere in the league. i don't know how any turns their nose up after this...

[Braggins]

biyombo and zeller have been our long term for nearly a decade and he's shown more than both ever have while we've wasted nearly an entire season making up reasons for the guy not to play. dude is clearly serviceable when more times than not, the guys ahead of him *might be* on a good night.

Hes literally only played meaningful minutes in one game. I'd rather give just about any young player a shot over Biyombo, so I'm not arguing he shouldn't be getting an opportunity or anything, but if your take is that after one game Carey is definitely serviceable and his defense doesn't matter at all, then I really don't know what to say. Zeller has had 20/6 games before...

we've been out here running lineups where bridges was the tallest guy on the court because biz and cody couldn't hang and PJ was in the dog house.

biyombo can't even catch and go up without an entire arena being in awe but this dude is out here playing better defense with 5 fouls than cody does on his best nights this year. teams get away with ignoring an entire position when they play us.

take away the fadeaways, the drives that started from the 3pt line, and even say he continues with the same foul rate. all the exceptional things that are gonna stand out tonight. just bottom out all expectations - he's still better than biz because the hands are there, he can move his feet, and demand a body be put on him because he locates easy buckets under the rim.

we legit expect biz to fail at things any starting center should be able to do on a regular basis and have completely normalized that. biyombo shouldn't be seeing more than 10 minutes a night anywhere in the league. i don't know how any turns their nose up after this...

You are arguing with yourself lol. Pretty nothing you've said in response to my original post has had anything to do with what I said and you are arguing against points that I never made. I'm not turning my nose up at anything... I want Vern to get an opportunity and am glad he played well and hope to see him continue to get minutes. Literally all I said was that we'll have a better idea of where hes at as a player once his defense gets tested more and youre railing on about how bad Biyombo and Zeller suck and complaining about different lineup combinations JB has used.

[DY_nasty]

because you're talking about being tested when the guy should've been on the court in the first place

biyombo been getting tested all year and for what

[CuseMayne]

So I was playing a live 2/5 poker cash game for most of the day, and was disappointed that they didn't have YES2 available in the poker room (I have NBA League Pass but it's blacked out whenever we play the Nets and Knicks for local restrictions, even though Hulu doesn't have YES or MSG ). I figured it would be an ugly, ugly game anyway and considered not watching a game for the first time in 3 years. But when I saw BIG VERN was getting his first career start I refused to miss it. Just left the cash game and sat front row at the sportsbook rocking my Hornets draft night edition hat hahaha. You don't see many of those in CNY. And boy was I glad I did. Has to be the most enjoyable 15 point loss I've ever watched. Miles was fantastic, Rozier had a few amazing stretches, and of course Big Vern...

IDK. I don't even wanna speculate as to why JB waited this damn long. And sure he's certainly not Rudy Gobert defensively, but we have him locked in at a bargain price and it'll be really fun to see him develop. BTW I thought he competed just fine defensively tonight, and with the level of skill he seems to have, it isn't just a given that he'll always be a terrible defender.

I could go on for a while, but guys yet again at the end of the day...

THE.FUTURE.IS.BRIGHT.

[Braggins]

because you're talking about being tested when the guy should've been on the court in the first place

biyombo been getting tested all year and for what

I never said anything about whether or not he should have been playing before this and I never compared him to Biyombo or Zeller or said he shouldn't be getting their minutes. I have no idea how you are interpreting anything Ive said as having anything to do with any of that.

Ive been intrigued by him as a prospect since we drafted him and would be totally cool with him starting every game the rest of the year. I'm not surprised he did well on offense and I'm curious to see how his defense holds up going forward because that was the big question with him and why he fell to the 2nd round, which is basically what I was saying in my initial post.I didnt mean that how his defense holds up going forward is the test for whether or not he should be getting minutes over Biz/Zeller or whether we should try to develop him. I meant its the test for how good of a player he can be in general. I really don't have a whole lot else to say about him either way because Ive only seen him play one game.

[BigSlam]

Sure are some pretty strong and committed takes about Vern after only one game.

Not that it’s unusual for posters to throw their full support behind a player when they are running hot - and drop them just as quickly when they are not.

And if in the process there is an opportunity to take pot shots at JB along the way? Well, that’s just a bonus.

[yosemiteben]

JB has been trying to force feed C minutes to PJ all season. This narrative that he's been favoring Cody and Biz and prefers vets is crazy to me.

[DY_nasty]

Sure are some pretty strong and committed takes about Vern after only one game.

Not that it’s unusual for posters to throw their full support behind a player when they are running hot - and drop them just as quickly when they are not.

And if in the process there is an opportunity to take pot shots at JB along the way? Well, that’s just a bonus.

if that was the case i'd actually believe in miles turning the corner lol

but when one game is better than the career high of a guy who's been a legit liability the majority of his career then its kinda reasonable to wonder why he's never got a shot especially when JB acts like he's never even seen him in practice during the post-game interview.

we've been running a bum all season long (a likeable bum) as if it was the only option. as if it was CLEAR that the other guys were absolutely unplayable and would get us run out of gym the minute he touched the court. most of us would've taken a guy who could hand out 6 proper hard fouls and not cheat our perimeter guys out of free assists every night. after all the stretches we've been getting mauled inside or been screwed by teams making us funnel the ball to biyombo...

vern should've been the worst player in the league.

JB has been trying to force feed C minutes to PJ all season. This narrative that he's been favoring Cody and Biz and prefers vets is crazy to me.

JB has a pattern of being inconsistent. That's the problem.

And yes he prefers vets ffs.... wanamaker gets passed around the league for years and gets a green light as soon as he shows up here. Not a justified "no one is coming to the ball" green light, but a legit bring the ball up and call your own number green light. JB is more comfortable failing with certain guys than others. That's not an unreasonable statement.

I get you're a JB apologist, but like I've said numerous times now, I don't want the guy fired. Criticism is not irrational dislike. I want his off the court professionalism to match what happens on the court. Dude has a struggle when his narrative breaks from the court product all the time. And its only been happening this particular season.

[SWedd523]

Sure are some pretty strong and committed takes about Vern after only one game.

Not that it’s unusual for posters to throw their full support behind a player when they are running hot - and drop them just as quickly when they are not.

And if in the process there is an opportunity to take pot shots at JB along the way? Well, that’s just a bonus.

Have fans become increasingly fickle, or have we always been this way?

My guess is that the growing access to digital media and connectivity, fans are starting to think they know more about what is going on with the team than they really do, so they're growing more and more absolute in their takes

When in reality none of us have any clue what is going on beyond the surface of what we can see

[BigSlam]

Sure are some pretty strong and committed takes about Vern after only one game.

Not that it’s unusual for posters to throw their full support behind a player when they are running hot - and drop them just as quickly when they are not.

And if in the process there is an opportunity to take pot shots at JB along the way? Well, that’s just a bonus.

Have fans become increasingly fickle, or have we always been this way?

My guess is that the growing access to digital media and connectivity, fans are starting to think they know more about what is going on with the team than they really do, so they're growing more and more absolute in their takes

When in reality none of us have any clue what is going on beyond the surface of what we can see

The latter.

[DY_nasty]

Sure are some pretty strong and committed takes about Vern after only one game.

Not that it’s unusual for posters to throw their full support behind a player when they are running hot - and drop them just as quickly when they are not.

And if in the process there is an opportunity to take pot shots at JB along the way? Well, that’s just a bonus.

Have fans become increasingly fickle, or have we always been this way?

My guess is that the growing access to digital media and connectivity, fans are starting to think they know more about what is going on with the team than they really do, so they're growing more and more absolute in their takes

When in reality none of us have any clue what is going on beyond the surface of what we can see

yes, biyombo falling over himself repeatedly in 1080p and borrego acting like he's never seen guys on his team play during a livestream have definitely changed things

we live in a society

[SWedd523]

Hyperbolic strawmen everywhere

[DY_nasty]

Hyperbolic strawmen everywhere

lol i thought you wanted in

unless flabby philosophical takes are supposed to be serious now or something. its not like you actually watch games that often anymore

[SWedd523]

You could always put in an application too replace Borrego. I'm sure they'd be willing to listen. Make sure you reference RealGM as a source and fats as a reference.

p.s. for real? "You don't watch them play" lmao stahp homie you're better than that

[DY_nasty]

You could always put in an application too replace Borrego. I'm sure they'd be willing to listen. Make sure you reference RealGM as a source and fats as a reference.

p.s. for real? "You don't watch them play" lmao stahp homie you're better than that

riiiiight lol

first the lame mustache twirling about the effects of digital media on the minds of sports fans as if that's got anything to do with anything then a but but but why don't YOU coach

sure lets talk about the game tho. that's clearly what you're going for

im chillin tho. wfh kinda sucks ngl. i kinda hate how my office just assumes i should answer every email immediately but outside of that i can't complain

[SWedd523]

I'm about to head back up to NC for a couple of months so hit me up and we can "watch a game" together