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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#641 » by RookieStar » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:17 pm

KillMonger wrote:the way OKC's been doing it maybe a 4 way tie


That's scary to think about.
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Post#642 » by drsd » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:33 pm

RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:the way OKC's been doing it maybe a 4 way tie


That's scary to think about.


What does a four-sided coin look like???


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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#643 » by zaymon » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:48 pm

drsd wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:the way OKC's been doing it maybe a 4 way tie


That's scary to think about.


What does a four-sided coin look like???


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Post#644 » by drsd » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:53 pm

zaymon wrote:
drsd wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
That's scary to think about.


What does a four-sided coin look like???


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https://images.app.goo.gl/tNAk6wUF1NoHDuV17


If Adam Silver breaks out the DnD dice to determine lottery odds, man will the conspiracy nuts go crazy!

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Post#645 » by RookieStar » Sun Apr 25, 2021 10:54 pm

I was looking at other teams scouting reports on players..you know, in case they might have inside info or fresh perspective about a draftee we might not have noticed and someone brought a comment like, what can we offer to get one of the Magic's 2 lotto picks. Something like we are so lucky to have 2 lotto picks in this historically very very deep and top heavy draft.

1st - wow they are counting on chickens before our eggs hatched. We don't even know if we get bumped out and/or CHI continues sucking but other teams are probably thinking a top-5 and a top-10 pick for us already.

2nd - If the stars aligned for us, will we have a different attitude towards WeHam? Like.. wow they built the value up of AG/Vuc and managed to get these kind of hauls. And depending on what they do with this draft, will this ensure their job security and makes us suffe.....errr anticipate WeHam players/moves?

3rd - what kind of players would we be willing to give up our CHI pick for?

Just some rando thoughts really...
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Post#646 » by basketballRob » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:24 am

Looks like the Wizards will go up 2 games on the Bulls.

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Post#647 » by ogmagicfan » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:05 am

RookieStar wrote:I was looking at other teams scouting reports on players..you know, in case they might have inside info or fresh perspective about a draftee we might not have noticed and someone brought a comment like, what can we offer to get one of the Magic's 2 lotto picks. Something like we are so lucky to have 2 lotto picks in this historically very very deep and top heavy draft.

1st - wow they are counting on chickens before our eggs hatched. We don't even know if we get bumped out and/or CHI continues sucking but other teams are probably thinking a top-5 and a top-10 pick for us already.

2nd - If the stars aligned for us, will we have a different attitude towards WeHam? Like.. wow they built the value up of AG/Vuc and managed to get these kind of hauls. And depending on what they do with this draft, will this ensure their job security and makes us suffe.....errr anticipate WeHam players/moves?

3rd - what kind of players would we be willing to give up our CHI pick for?

Just some rando thoughts really...


WeHam bought themselves some time. Chi pick looking better by the day. They did mess up by holding onto Fournier & Gordon for too long and causing us to miss out of 2 more 1st rounders. They can’t sit on their hands like they have been the past 4 years.

I’m really not sure what players we’d pursue if we wanted to look into trading the Chi pick. We’d want a player still on a rookie contract I’d presume. Personally see us more attracted to holding onto the pick and getting Moody/Keon instead of moving it. Maybe a player like Miles Bridges and/or PJ washington while swapping 2021 1st rounders (Chi pick) and we send Terrence Ross or Mo Bamba?
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Post#648 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:19 am

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RookieStar wrote:I was looking at other teams scouting reports on players..you know, in case they might have inside info or fresh perspective about a draftee we might not have noticed and someone brought a comment like, what can we offer to get one of the Magic's 2 lotto picks. Something like we are so lucky to have 2 lotto picks in this historically very very deep and top heavy draft.

1st - wow they are counting on chickens before our eggs hatched. We don't even know if we get bumped out and/or CHI continues sucking but other teams are probably thinking a top-5 and a top-10 pick for us already.

2nd - If the stars aligned for us, will we have a different attitude towards WeHam? Like.. wow they built the value up of AG/Vuc and managed to get these kind of hauls. And depending on what they do with this draft, will this ensure their job security and makes us suffe.....errr anticipate WeHam players/moves?

3rd - what kind of players would we be willing to give up our CHI pick for?

Just some rando thoughts really...


WeHam bought themselves some time. Chi pick looking better by the day. They did mess up by holding onto Fournier & Gordon for too long and causing us to miss out of 2 more 1st rounders. They can’t sit on their hands like they have been the past 4 years.

I’m really not sure what players we’d pursue if we wanted to look into trading the Chi pick. We’d want a player still on a rookie contract I’d presume. Personally see us more attracted to holding onto the pick and getting Moody/Keon instead of moving it. Maybe a player like Miles Bridges and/or PJ washington while swapping 2021 1st rounders (Chi pick) and we send Terrence Ross or Mo Bamba?


I agree with Evan but AG? I think this was the best offer for AG. A future FRP, a young potential player and a vet expiring. Sure I wish the young player could be GTJ and the vet could have been Zach but it is what it is.
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#649 » by ogmagicfan » Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:36 am

RookieStar wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:
RookieStar wrote:I was looking at other teams scouting reports on players..you know, in case they might have inside info or fresh perspective about a draftee we might not have noticed and someone brought a comment like, what can we offer to get one of the Magic's 2 lotto picks. Something like we are so lucky to have 2 lotto picks in this historically very very deep and top heavy draft.

1st - wow they are counting on chickens before our eggs hatched. We don't even know if we get bumped out and/or CHI continues sucking but other teams are probably thinking a top-5 and a top-10 pick for us already.

2nd - If the stars aligned for us, will we have a different attitude towards WeHam? Like.. wow they built the value up of AG/Vuc and managed to get these kind of hauls. And depending on what they do with this draft, will this ensure their job security and makes us suffe.....errr anticipate WeHam players/moves?

3rd - what kind of players would we be willing to give up our CHI pick for?

Just some rando thoughts really...


WeHam bought themselves some time. Chi pick looking better by the day. They did mess up by holding onto Fournier & Gordon for too long and causing us to miss out of 2 more 1st rounders. They can’t sit on their hands like they have been the past 4 years.

I’m really not sure what players we’d pursue if we wanted to look into trading the Chi pick. We’d want a player still on a rookie contract I’d presume. Personally see us more attracted to holding onto the pick and getting Moody/Keon instead of moving it. Maybe a player like Miles Bridges and/or PJ washington while swapping 2021 1st rounders (Chi pick) and we send Terrence Ross or Mo Bamba?


I agree with Evan but AG? I think this was the best offer for AG. A future FRP, a young potential player and a vet expiring. Sure I wish the young player could be GTJ and the vet could have been Zach but it is what it is.


Didn’t the Blazers also have an offer where they would send us 2 1st rounders, and later sent that package to the Rockets for Covington?

I’d also prefer a package with 1 1st rounder & GTJ over Hampton & Nuggets 1st.

More so concerned that the only reason they finally moved from Vuc which was the absolute right nove to make at the right time was because of injuries and not something they would’ve done under their own power. I believe they should’ve traded Vuc this year regardless of injuries and still shows continued reluctancy on their end to make moves.
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Post#650 » by ogmagicfan » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:40 am

Fivethirtyeight currently projects the Magic to either finish tied for 2nd worst with the Timberwolves at 21-51 (Player-based) or 2nd worst with at 20-52 (Elo based).

The Pistons, Cavs, & Wolves games we have left are must lose. Holding out WCJ and/or Gary Harris in those games are necessary.

Personally with how the Thunder are playing, I don’t feel comfortable with the Magic winning more than 1 more game the rest of the season.
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Post#651 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:25 am

ogmagicfan wrote:
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ogmagicfan wrote:
WeHam bought themselves some time. Chi pick looking better by the day. They did mess up by holding onto Fournier & Gordon for too long and causing us to miss out of 2 more 1st rounders. They can’t sit on their hands like they have been the past 4 years.

I’m really not sure what players we’d pursue if we wanted to look into trading the Chi pick. We’d want a player still on a rookie contract I’d presume. Personally see us more attracted to holding onto the pick and getting Moody/Keon instead of moving it. Maybe a player like Miles Bridges and/or PJ washington while swapping 2021 1st rounders (Chi pick) and we send Terrence Ross or Mo Bamba?


I agree with Evan but AG? I think this was the best offer for AG. A future FRP, a young potential player and a vet expiring. Sure I wish the young player could be GTJ and the vet could have been Zach but it is what it is.


Didn’t the Blazers also have an offer where they would send us 2 1st rounders, and later sent that package to the Rockets for Covington?

I’d also prefer a package with 1 1st rounder & GTJ over Hampton & Nuggets 1st.

More so concerned that the only reason they finally moved from Vuc which was the absolute right nove to make at the right time was because of injuries and not something they would’ve done under their own power. I believe they should’ve traded Vuc this year regardless of injuries and still shows continued reluctancy on their end to make moves.


Yes those were the rumours that qe turned fown 2 FRP( probably in the 20s) for AG. But i personally think 1 FRP 1 young player and 1 vet expiring is a better deal than the 2 frp.
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Post#652 » by drsd » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:31 am

With Orlando's loss:
The Magic is 1/2 game better than #3 Pistons (tied in the W column)
The Magic is 2 games worst than #5 Thunder

With the Wizards win, The Bulls is now a full 2 games back from the 10-seed for the play-ins
The Bulls is tied for #8/9 with the Raptors
The Bulls is 1 game over #7 Kings
The Bulls is 1 game back of #10 Pelicans

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The computers currently favor Orlando to finsih tied for the 2/3 worst team (with Minny) and the Bulls to finish tied as the 7th/8th worst team (with Sacramento).


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Post#653 » by basketballRob » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:26 am

It doesn't make too much of a difference where Minnesota ends up.

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Post#654 » by drsd » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:31 am

ogmagicfan wrote:Fivethirtyeight currently projects the Magic to either finish tied for 2nd worst with the Timberwolves at 21-51 (Player-based) or 2nd worst with at 20-52 (Elo based).

The Pistons, Cavs, & Wolves games we have left are must lose. Holding out WCJ and/or Gary Harris in those games are necessary.

Personally with how the Thunder are playing, I don’t feel comfortable with the Magic winning more than 1 more game the rest of the season.


Minnesota winning on the road against the league's best team: incredible.

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Post#655 » by drsd » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:33 am

basketballRob wrote:It doesn't make too much of a difference where Minnesota ends up.

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It matters if they do not win a lottery ticket. If the Magic and Wolves are 2 and 3 (or tied), for both to miss out on lady-luck, that is only an about 36% probability.


For Orlando thought, it does mean an improved guarantee floor on the lowest the pick could be.

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Post#656 » by bigdogdylan5 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:57 am

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It doesn't make too much of a difference where Minnesota ends up.

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It matters if they do not win a lottery ticket. If the Magic and Wolves are 2 and 3 (or tied), for both to miss out on lady-luck, that is only an about 36% probability.


For Orlando thought, it does mean an improved guarantee floor on the lowest the pick could be.

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You hit the nail on the head it’s about limiting that worse case. If your in that 3rd spot even if three teams jump ahead we would still get number 6. I would love to get 2 spot because it would really shorten that worse case. With the draft being a clear top 5 maybe plus one since Mitchell looked great and is gaining steam it is crucial we don’t fall past 6 honestly I would prefer to not drop past 5
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Post#657 » by basketballRob » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:02 am

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It doesn't make too much of a difference where Minnesota ends up.

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It matters if they do not win a lottery ticket. If the Magic and Wolves are 2 and 3 (or tied), for both to miss out on lady-luck, that is only an about 36% probability.


For Orlando thought, it does mean an improved guarantee floor on the lowest the pick could be.

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Yeah it probably means more for the Magic to move up and get a guaranteed top 5.

36 or 40% to get a top 3 pick isn't that much of a difference for the Twolves.

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Post#658 » by PrimeThyme » Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:34 pm

I've just never gotten too worked up this season on where we fall because of the new odds. We are going to need a lot of luck regardless of where we land. I've posted the new odds and how the last couple of drafts have played out as a result, but I think many people still overlook just how meaningful the change has been.

Whether we finish with 4th best, 5th best, or 1st best, I'm going to remain pretty level-headed and not get my hopes up for a top 3 pick. It's just not that likely to happen.
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Post#660 » by OrlandoMagic » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:09 pm

Even if the magic get the first pick I really think we will draft a center. Not because we need one but because that’s who the Magic are and that’s what the Magic do. We need scoring and playmakers so let’s pick a big who can rebound and block shots. Makes total sense :crazy: :crazy:

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