OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[chicagoballer]

Who cares if he was not able to beat out some guy when he was a freshman or not? He outplayed the consensus #1 overall pick in the draft in the national championship game this year- that's enough for me.

I give him credit for that. But the Georgia team obviously knew him well at that time. Likely more intimately than the bears do now. That holds some weight, but it is by no means a factor that alone should dissuade us. People change and improve. Pace's history is another factor. I dont know if the draft could have been realistically been much better that it was now. If it doesnt work out, we gave up more draft capital which handcuffs us for more years to come. I am just tired of seeing them lose.

Disclaimer: I rarely watch college football.

[chicagoballer]

Kevin White was a monumental bust. .

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/why-former-bears-wide-receiver-kevin-white-feels-cheated-football

what is your point?

[Dominator83]

One thing I will say about Pace is, he definitely has a lot of Kenny Williams in him. Always aggressive

[Jeffster81]

Who cares if he was not able to beat out some guy when he was a freshman or not? He outplayed the consensus #1 overall pick in the draft in the national championship game this year- that's enough for me.

I give him credit for that. But the Georgia team obviously knew him well at that time. Likely more intimately than the bears do now. That holds some weight, but it is by no means a factor that alone should dissuade us. People change and improve. Pace's history is another factor. I dont know if the draft could have been realistically been much better that it was now. If it doesnt work out, we gave up more draft capital which handcuffs us for more years to come. I am just tired of seeing them lose.

Disclaimer: I rarely watch college football.

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

[chicagoballer]

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

When did I say they didnt do fine? you are assuming I said he is a Bust. I said the picks are growing on me. But I am still skeptical in general being a bears fan (decades of no great QB), the history of Pace, and Field's history of not being able to beat out Fromm.

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

[dougthonus]

New thread due to page limit, but moved the discussion since the Field draft here so people can reply.

[Stratmaster]

I was pretty low on the Bears after they signed Andy Dalton. I would have much rather kept Mitch for another year. and picked up another quarterback wherever the draft pick fell in any round.

I would have used some of the picks to beef up the offensive line, to help protect the next new quarterback and give them the best chance to succeed.

But if drafting Fields, or trading up for another new higher pick quarterback was the front office plan all along I now understand why the Dalton move was made.

If they kept Mitch, and traded up to acquire his rookie successor, it would have not been a great environment to try and develop a new offensive leader, under another now team veteran who was still struggling to establish themselves.

I just fear they made this move a year or two early. Chicago has always struggled to put the newly acquired quarterback in a position to succeed. I think the offensive line should have been further developed first before another move like this was made.

I would look into trying to move Mack. The Bears are not going to win with either Dalton, or a inexperienced rookie quarterback in the next season or two.

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Edit: Now that a move has been made, I'd try and move Mach and try to pick up some more additional pieces that might help the new Quarterback develop and be successful.

At least at the qb position, getting him too early isn't a concern. If you get a chance to nab a guy like this you take it whenever it presents itself.

Barring serious injury, this guy could be your QB for the next 15 seasons. If he pans out. Which almost everyone seems to think he will.

Of course, Chicago fans are a different story. If he doesn't throw 4 td's and get a win in his first start we will all run him out of town.

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[dice]

So far... The picks are growing on me. No way do I trust Pace, but he is the GM. Could have made worse moves. His career will surely die by these moves if they dont work out.

Field's athleticism will give you ability for some remarkable plays even if he is not a great traditional QB. He seems like someone who will sacrifice his body to win a game, keep plays alive, and throw an accurate deep ball. That alone can likely make him an average QB as the floor. My biggest gripe with this pick is that he was not able to beat out Fromm at Georgia. Lets hope there was significant growth and maturation that was not present before.

O-line pick was needed. Really hoping Jenkins doesnt pull a Kevin white with his previous injury issues. Kevin White was a monumental bust. You would have to assume they did their due diligence with his medical records. If he has serious medical issues, both Pace and Phillips should be fired immediately.

Who cares if he was not able to beat out some guy when he was a freshman or not? He outplayed the consensus #1 overall pick in the draft in the national championship game this year- that's enough for me.

then he proceeded to get taken out to the woodshed by mac jones in the championship game. that's to be ignored? why in the world would you put all your marbles on a single game and completely ignore the game...that was for all the marbles?

-justin herbert, last year's rookie of the year, passed for a mere 138 yards in the rose bowl prior to being drafted
-peyton manning passed for only 131 yards in his final college game as his #3 volunteers got pasted by #2 nebraska
-tim tebow went 31/35 for 482, 3TD and no picks in the sugar bowl in his final college game. nearly perfect
-aaron rodgers and his #4 golden bears got slapped around by texas tech in his final bowl game. some kid named sonny cumbie threw for 520 yards to 246 for rodgers
-russell wilson was played to a standstill in his final college game by darron thomas of oregon in the rose bowl. oregon won

and none of it had any bearing whatsoever on any of their pro exploits. and for every deshawn watson there's a johnny manziell. hell, nick foles "beat" tom brady in the super bowl. even that was not predictive going forward. "i'll take the guy who won a super bowl" - susan

[jake_swivel]

I read the article on him and the only stuff I learned is that he just recently started playing with his nasty streak.

Late bloomer. I was playin with my nasty streak at 12.

[TheSuzerain]

People who view him not beating out Fromm as a red flag are making it clear they don't follow this stuff too closely.

Georgia basically ruined themselves with that silly decision and people knew it at the time.

[Am2626]

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

When did I say they didnt do fine? you are assuming I said he is a Bust. I said the picks are growing on me. But I am still skeptical in general being a bears fan (decades of no great QB), the history of Pace, and Field's history of not being able to beat out Fromm.

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

Pace has to swing for the fences at this point in order to keep his job. Don’t see how he had any other choice at this point. There is a lot to like about Fields and if he works out the draft capital used to get him means nothing.

I see this move a little different then the Trubisky draft. The Bears had to move up to get him but with Trubisky probably could have moved down and still gotten him. At worst they could have stayed at 3 and just taken him there. Absolutely no reason to trade up 1 spot and they gave up a lot of draft capital to do that. I don’t think what they gave up here is quite as much.

Also Fields is a more proven prospect then Trubisky was. He had accomplished a lot more and has played on a much bigger stage. Trubisky just looked good on paper. This pick feels more like the Bears drafting Dashawn Watson and not another Trubisky.

[GetBuLLish]

Of course, Chicago fans are a different story. If he doesn't throw 4 td's and get a win in his first start we will all run him out of town.

I don't get comments like this, which are pretty frequent on this board. Have the Bears been swimming in elite QBs, only for them to be pushed out by rabid Bears fans? Or is this a reference to the Bulls, who last drafted an all-star player ten years ago and will now post their fourth straight sub-.500 season?

[RedBulls23]

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[dice]

Of course, Chicago fans are a different story. If he doesn't throw 4 td's and get a win in his first start we will all run him out of town.

I don't get comments like this, which are pretty frequent on this board. Have the Bears been swimming in elite QBs, only for them to be pushed out by rabid Bears fans? Or is this a reference to the Bulls, who last drafted an all-star player ten years ago and will now post their fourth straight sub-.500 season?

hell, i'd say bears fans were pretty patient w/ trubisky

[dougthonus]

Justin fields cost two first round picks (we used one to pick him), a 4th round pick, a 5th round pick. If he is a bust, it clearly sets the team back. Not only in draft capital but in time wasted in development/poor team chemistry/etc.

And if he is a franchise QB, you will laugh a how ridiculously cheap it was to get him. In the end, with any player, it hurts if you trade up and they are a bust, but a franchise QB? You take the chance on him. Fields has the pedigree and physical tools to feel good about being a franchise QB. Maybe it doesn't work out, but you are so incredibly unlikely to win the superbowl without a franchise QB.

[Stratmaster]

Of course, Chicago fans are a different story. If he doesn't throw 4 td's and get a win in his first start we will all run him out of town.

I don't get comments like this, which are pretty frequent on this board. Have the Bears been swimming in elite QBs, only for them to be pushed out by rabid Bears fans? Or is this a reference to the Bulls, who last drafted an all-star player ten years ago and will now post their fourth straight sub-.500 season?

It is a reference to Chicago sports fans.

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[WindyCityBorn]

Who cares if he was not able to beat out some guy when he was a freshman or not? He outplayed the consensus #1 overall pick in the draft in the national championship game this year- that's enough for me.

I give him credit for that. But the Georgia team obviously knew him well at that time. Likely more intimately than the bears do now. That holds some weight, but it is by no means a factor that alone should dissuade us. People change and improve. Pace's history is another factor. I dont know if the draft could have been realistically been much better that it was now. If it doesnt work out, we gave up more draft capital which handcuffs us for more years to come. I am just tired of seeing them lose.

Disclaimer: I rarely watch college football.

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

49ers are run WAY better than the Bears(and have always been better for the most part, have a way better roster, a pretty good QB that has taken us to the Super Bowl recently. If Lynch and Shanahan didn’t want Fields I trust their judgement. They know QBs. We have the prefect situation to let a QB sit a grow. Fields will probably get thrown to the wolves because Dalton is a joke.

An outrageous amount of injuries are literally the only reason we were not contenders last season. We are very equipped to take a project with the highest ceiling in the draft and have the coaching to get it out of him. Cannot say the same for the Bears coaching.

[Susan]

I give him credit for that. But the Georgia team obviously knew him well at that time. Likely more intimately than the bears do now. That holds some weight, but it is by no means a factor that alone should dissuade us. People change and improve. Pace's history is another factor. I dont know if the draft could have been realistically been much better that it was now. If it doesnt work out, we gave up more draft capital which handcuffs us for more years to come. I am just tired of seeing them lose.

Disclaimer: I rarely watch college football.

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

49ers are run WAY better than the Bears(and have always been better for the most part, have a way better roster, a pretty good QB that has taken us to the Super Bowl recently. If Lynch and Shanahan didn’t want Fields I trust their judgement. They know QBs. We have the prefect situation to let a QB sit a grow. Fields will probably get thrown to the wolves because Dalton is a joke.

How many games below .500 is Shanny? And they traded A TON to draft Lance. For all the drama on the Bears passing on Mahomes/Watson, the Niners did the same thing and drafted a bust in Solomon Thomas.

And LMAO, Jimmy G is made of glass.

[WindyCityBorn]

Kirby Smart actively picked Jacob Fromm over Justin Fields. Enough said.

What draft capital did they give up that will "handcuff us for more years to come"? A 4th rd pick, a 5th rd pick. Come on now, those picks can be recoup. Next yr's first is the price to move up 9 spots. If you want to see a terrible trade, look at the 49ers/Dolphins trade and SF actively took the draft's biggest project at 3. The Bears did fine with the trade. If Fields is as good as he was in college in the NFL, then that 2022 1st rd won't matter because the Giants would have needed it more than the Bears.

49ers are run WAY better than the Bears(and have always been better for the most part, have a way better roster, a pretty good QB that has taken us to the Super Bowl recently. If Lynch and Shanahan didn’t want Fields I trust their judgement. They know QBs. We have the prefect situation to let a QB sit a grow. Fields will probably get thrown to the wolves because Dalton is a joke.

How many games below .500 is Shanny? And they traded A TON to draft Lance.

Last season we lost pretty much every key player to injury. Are seriously comparing Shanahan to your coaching and management who are using Fields as a Hail Mary to save their jobs.

They believe he is franchise talent so it was was worth it in their eyes. It was NEVER Mac Jones. It’s not like we are desperate like the Bears. We could very easily make the Super Bowl next season without Lance playing a single down. I like the Bears, but they are lovable losers. Not a top organization like the 49ers.

[Dresden]

So far... The picks are growing on me. No way do I trust Pace, but he is the GM. Could have made worse moves. His career will surely die by these moves if they dont work out.

Field's athleticism will give you ability for some remarkable plays even if he is not a great traditional QB. He seems like someone who will sacrifice his body to win a game, keep plays alive, and throw an accurate deep ball. That alone can likely make him an average QB as the floor. My biggest gripe with this pick is that he was not able to beat out Fromm at Georgia. Lets hope there was significant growth and maturation that was not present before.

O-line pick was needed. Really hoping Jenkins doesnt pull a Kevin white with his previous injury issues. Kevin White was a monumental bust. You would have to assume they did their due diligence with his medical records. If he has serious medical issues, both Pace and Phillips should be fired immediately.

Who cares if he was not able to beat out some guy when he was a freshman or not? He outplayed the consensus #1 overall pick in the draft in the national championship game this year- that's enough for me.

then he proceeded to get taken out to the woodshed by mac jones in the championship game. that's to be ignored? why in the world would you put all your marbles on a single game and completely ignore the game...that was for all the marbles?

-justin herbert, last year's rookie of the year, passed for a mere 138 yards in the rose bowl prior to being drafted
-peyton manning passed for only 131 yards in his final college game as his #3 volunteers got pasted by #2 nebraska
-tim tebow went 31/35 for 482, 3TD and no picks in the sugar bowl in his final college game. nearly perfect
-aaron rodgers and his #4 golden bears got slapped around by texas tech in his final bowl game. some kid named sonny cumbie threw for 520 yards to 246 for rodgers
-russell wilson was played to a standstill in his final college game by darron thomas of oregon in the rose bowl. oregon won

and none of it had any bearing whatsoever on any of their pro exploits. and for every deshawn watson there's a johnny manziell. hell, nick foles "beat" tom brady in the super bowl. even that was not predictive going forward. "i'll take the guy who won a super bowl" - susan

Sure, you can find outliers for just about anything. But when you add the fact that Fields was the #2 prospect coming out of HS (to Lawrence), PLUS he had such an outstanding 2019, and got his team to the title game this year, and clearly outplayed the consensus #1 pick in doing so- I do add a lot of weight to that. Not to mention he's been charted as having the most accurate arm over the past 3 years of any college QB, he's the most accurate deep passer, he runs a 4.4 40, he's tough, he's gotten high marks for leadership- you put all that together, and it hardly bothers me he lost a job 3 years ago.