Mattise Thybulle has the highest DBPM in the league

[bebopdeluxe]

I would imagine the value is lower at the end of the season then it was at the deadline. I do not anticipate a sign and trade happening either. Lowry wants 2 years 50 million and as much as I love Lowry it is time to move on as he does not fit the timeline of the team whatsoever. My prediction he leaves Toronto and they do not receive anything in return.

I think you are right, and I think it is a shame that a deal couldn't be done. Maxey is a really interesting player with a lot of upside. He just needs playing time - which is hard to give to him when you are fighting for the 1 seed in the conference and a deep playoff run. I didn't want to trade him, but I thought that Lowry was a great fit for the team. As it turns out, we did the deal for Hill - who is nowhere near the player that Lowry is, but he upgrades our 2nd unit, and he can help the team close games. He is signed for next year for $10m, and we get to keep all of our key young guys.

As a Nova fan (and current grad student there), I was really hoping that the Cardinal Dougherty kid could come home and try to get us a parade, but Toronto was asking for the moon. It really is a shame.

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

But if the Raptors are REALLY not going to re-sign him, then why let him walk for nothing? That is what doesn't make sense. Dude is going to go to the HOF as a Raptor (if anything, helping the Sixers win a chip cements his place in Springfield), you do him a solid by letting him come home, and you get a nice upside piece in Maxey and a FRP. Hell, even if you don't like Maxey for the Raptors, the guy has value around the league.

As another person in this thread said, Morey wants to make deals, and I am sure that he was willing to work with Toronto...but I have to think Masai is smart enough to know that Thybulle was untouchable.

As a Raptors fan, as much as I understand the respect for Lowry, just letting his contract expire is silly IMO. Whatever.

[LloydFree]

The kid is an absolute monster on defense. I believe they showed he has blocked 40 jumpshots which leads the league by a long shot. Ben himself even said that if thybulle played the same amount of minutes as him then thybulle would win DPOY. I don't even think players try to score on him 1 on 1 anymore alot of times they won't even dribble near him.

I think players are better off just trying to go right at him. You can't dribble or pass too much around him.
Earlier this year, Thybulle singlehandedly won a game the 76ers were losing to the Pacers by 20, because he spent an entire quarter deflecting every pass that was attempted in his vicinity. He totally demoralized Malcolm Brogdon in that game. He couldn't complete one entry pass, couldn't pass the ball around the perimeter and he was hesitant to dribble the ball anywhere near Thybulle.

[LloydFree]

Double

[DCasey91]

I think you are right, and I think it is a shame that a deal couldn't be done. Maxey is a really interesting player with a lot of upside. He just needs playing time - which is hard to give to him when you are fighting for the 1 seed in the conference and a deep playoff run. I didn't want to trade him, but I thought that Lowry was a great fit for the team. As it turns out, we did the deal for Hill - who is nowhere near the player that Lowry is, but he upgrades our 2nd unit, and he can help the team close games. He is signed for next year for $10m, and we get to keep all of our key young guys.

As a Nova fan (and current grad student there), I was really hoping that the Cardinal Dougherty kid could come home and try to get us a parade, but Toronto was asking for the moon. It really is a shame.

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

But if the Raptors are REALLY not going to re-sign him, then why let him walk for nothing? That is what doesn't make sense. Dude is going to go to the HOF as a Raptor (if anything, helping the Sixers win a chip cements his place in Springfield), you do him a solid by letting him come home, and you get a nice upside piece in Maxey and a FRP. Hell, even if you don't like Maxey for the Raptors, the guy has value around the league.

As another person in this thread said, Morey wants to make deals, and I am sure that he was willing to work with Toronto...but I have to think Masai is smart enough to know that Thybulle was untouchable.

As a Raptors fan, as much as I understand the respect for Lowry, just letting his contract expire is silly IMO. Whatever.

I believe there was three legit suitors, the contract made it difficult to move without comprising the return. Can see why both the Lakers, 76ers said no. They lose depth (both teams have health issues） isn’t exactly the most durable around, and the contract after. In a vacuum the trade packages were close, Lowry moves the needles but teams might have felt the cost would be too much which is fair enough. Like if the market says no with 3 suitors. I don’t think anyone is right or wrong it just wasn’t an optimal situation for both the seller/buyer. Also there’s probably better deals on the horizon (off-season) too.

It wouldn’t be cost effective for both teams at 20+ mill for two years unless you move contracts from other players (Harris etc.) but for me you’d do that first then Lowry second which didn’t happen.

[LloydFree]

... and on queue, Thybulle has 3 blocks and 2 steals in 9 minutes already tonight. With a +/- of +12. The highest on the team.

[Snotbubbles]

... and on queue, Thybulle has 3 blocks and 2 steals in 9 minutes already tonight. With a +/- of +12. The highest on the team.

As great as he is on defense, he's abysmal on offense.

[Locrian]

He's a great defender/disruptor, but think he's hunting for stocks too much. He will need to figure out how to balance things out

[bebopdeluxe]

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

But if the Raptors are REALLY not going to re-sign him, then why let him walk for nothing? That is what doesn't make sense. Dude is going to go to the HOF as a Raptor (if anything, helping the Sixers win a chip cements his place in Springfield), you do him a solid by letting him come home, and you get a nice upside piece in Maxey and a FRP. Hell, even if you don't like Maxey for the Raptors, the guy has value around the league.

As another person in this thread said, Morey wants to make deals, and I am sure that he was willing to work with Toronto...but I have to think Masai is smart enough to know that Thybulle was untouchable.

As a Raptors fan, as much as I understand the respect for Lowry, just letting his contract expire is silly IMO. Whatever.

I believe there was three legit suitors, the contract made it difficult to move without comprising the return. Can see why both the Lakers, 76ers said no. They lose depth (both teams have health issues） isn’t exactly the most durable around, and the contract after. In a vacuum the trade packages were close, Lowry moves the needles but teams might have felt the cost would be too much which is fair enough. Like if the market says no with 3 suitors. I don’t think anyone is right or wrong it just wasn’t an optimal situation for both the seller/buyer. Also there’s probably better deals on the horizon (off-season) too.

It wouldn’t be cost effective for both teams at 20+ mill for two years unless you move contracts from other players (Harris etc.) but for me you’d do that first then Lowry second which didn’t happen.

But what is the better offseason deal for Masai than Maxey and a FRP? And he would have had them free and clear - with no salary commitments after this year, as both Green and Scott are expiring contracts. Now, if he wants to do a sign and trade he is going to have to take on some big $ to do a deal.

Again - what is the better deal for Toronto?

[DCasey91]

But if the Raptors are REALLY not going to re-sign him, then why let him walk for nothing? That is what doesn't make sense. Dude is going to go to the HOF as a Raptor (if anything, helping the Sixers win a chip cements his place in Springfield), you do him a solid by letting him come home, and you get a nice upside piece in Maxey and a FRP. Hell, even if you don't like Maxey for the Raptors, the guy has value around the league.

As another person in this thread said, Morey wants to make deals, and I am sure that he was willing to work with Toronto...but I have to think Masai is smart enough to know that Thybulle was untouchable.

As a Raptors fan, as much as I understand the respect for Lowry, just letting his contract expire is silly IMO. Whatever.

I believe there was three legit suitors, the contract made it difficult to move without comprising the return. Can see why both the Lakers, 76ers said no. They lose depth (both teams have health issues） isn’t exactly the most durable around, and the contract after. In a vacuum the trade packages were close, Lowry moves the needles but teams might have felt the cost would be too much which is fair enough. Like if the market says no with 3 suitors. I don’t think anyone is right or wrong it just wasn’t an optimal situation for both the seller/buyer. Also there’s probably better deals on the horizon (off-season) too.

It wouldn’t be cost effective for both teams at 20+ mill for two years unless you move contracts from other players (Harris etc.) but for me you’d do that first then Lowry second which didn’t happen.

But what is the better offseason deal for Masai than Maxey and a FRP? And he would have had them free and clear - with no salary commitments after this year, as both Green and Scott are expiring contracts. Now, if he wants to do a sign and trade he is going to have to take on some big $ to do a deal.

Again - what is the better deal for Toronto?

Oh I was coming from the buyer’s perspective not from Masai’s. 76ers/Lakers assets have to be managed well. My team (76ers) in the off-season might be looking at other players.
For the Raptors I know it wouldn’t be perfect but the trade package was probably the right return all thing considered should have taken it. I mean all of the GM’s involved wasn’t going to be leveraged.

[slicedbread2]

I would imagine the value is lower at the end of the season then it was at the deadline. I do not anticipate a sign and trade happening either. Lowry wants 2 years 50 million and as much as I love Lowry it is time to move on as he does not fit the timeline of the team whatsoever. My prediction he leaves Toronto and they do not receive anything in return.

I think you are right, and I think it is a shame that a deal couldn't be done. Maxey is a really interesting player with a lot of upside. He just needs playing time - which is hard to give to him when you are fighting for the 1 seed in the conference and a deep playoff run. I didn't want to trade him, but I thought that Lowry was a great fit for the team. As it turns out, we did the deal for Hill - who is nowhere near the player that Lowry is, but he upgrades our 2nd unit, and he can help the team close games. He is signed for next year for $10m, and we get to keep all of our key young guys.

As a Nova fan (and current grad student there), I was really hoping that the Cardinal Dougherty kid could come home and try to get us a parade, but Toronto was asking for the moon. It really is a shame.

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

It's a shame that a deal couldn't get done, but the second Lowry demanded the Kobe contract, that scared away a lot of suitors. There was no way Morey was gonna deal Thybulle as he and Simmons as a defensive tandem with Embiid would destroy teams together. Matisse and Ben are slated to compete for the Australian national team at the Olympics. Matisse was born in AZ to a Haitian-born Harlem raised Father and a white American Mother who was a doctor in naturopathic medicine. Dude grew up in Sydney where he was more into swimming but the family returned to the US settling in the Seattle area when he was 9.

Quite frankly, if the Raptors could've squeezed a 2nd 1st round pick out of the 76ers along with some future 2nds, they could've done a deal like this when they were at the bottom of the league at 18-26 and dealt Boucher at his peak:

Philadelphia: Kyle Lowry, Chris Boucher, DeAndre Bembry(last 2 acquired via Al Horford TPE)
Dallas: Danny Green
Detroit: J.J. Reddick
Houston: Pat McCaw, Vincent Poirier
New Orleans: Stanley Johnson, Terrance Ferguson, Mike Scott
Toronto: Eric Bledsoe, D.J. Augustin, Cory Joseph, Tyrese Maxey, Paul Reed, 1 1st via PHI, 1-2 1sts via NO(with pro.), 1 2nd from DAL, 1 2nd from Det via CHA or TOR, multiple 2nds from NOLA, 1 2nd from HOU via GS(24)

-Philly gets their final piece to the puzzle to put them over the top and adds two solid rotation pieces in Boucher and Bembry who have T/O at a team friendly cap hit for next year. Can't gamble on Embiid staying healthy as the window could shut the second he gets hurt so best to capitalize. I think Morey would've gone for this deal.
-Dallas gets a far better defender who can shoot the 3 from anywhere and has a high BB IQ in Danny Green who's deal is expiring.
-Detroit buys out Redick, but gets out of paying Joseph $2.4M from next year's cap space for the price of a 2nd.
-Houston adds a little salary this year but shed 7M from next year's deal and the last year is only guaranteed for $333,333k. The owner is strapped for cash and would be more than willing to save some money long term.
-New Orleans gets out of Bledsoe's deal and opens up cap space for Lonzo should he choose to stay. Bledsoe has been killing the Pelicans with his low BB IQ. This deal would've allowed them to fill out the roster for the year.
-Raptors eat some terrible deals but they get a crap ton of assets plus said deals expire after 21-22 as Bled and D.J.'s deals are guaranteed for a combined $4,233,333M. Getting some young assets and picks to hopefully find a diamond in the rough will be a good choice. Plus this deal would've allowed them to obtain a high lotto pick to help in the retooling plans.

It was a pipe dream and sadly Lowry will go for nothing, but I don't blame Morey for keeping Thybulle as the salaries would've been a nightmare. Morey probably in the end felt the asking price was more than he was willing to pay and went with the cheaper option in Hill. I think he would've done this if Harden hadn't gone to Brooklyn and went somewhere else like Miami for instance.

[HotelVitale]

... and on queue, Thybulle has 3 blocks and 2 steals in 9 minutes already tonight. With a +/- of +12. The highest on the team.

Ended up with 4 blocks and 3 steals in 19 minutes, at +24. And he also deflected the ball on or just generally f’d with a half dozen other plays. Against teams that have any rust in their execution he’s a total dynamo, makes something happen just about ever play.

Hard for me to see what people that aren’t fans aren’t enjoying. There’s mischievous joy to his disrupting that’s really unique and really really fun to watch.

[Kobblehead]

Literally the best defender of all time.

[LloydFree]

Spoiler:

I think you are right, and I think it is a shame that a deal couldn't be done. Maxey is a really interesting player with a lot of upside. He just needs playing time - which is hard to give to him when you are fighting for the 1 seed in the conference and a deep playoff run. I didn't want to trade him, but I thought that Lowry was a great fit for the team. As it turns out, we did the deal for Hill - who is nowhere near the player that Lowry is, but he upgrades our 2nd unit, and he can help the team close games. He is signed for next year for $10m, and we get to keep all of our key young guys.

As a Nova fan (and current grad student there), I was really hoping that the Cardinal Dougherty kid could come home and try to get us a parade, but Toronto was asking for the moon. It really is a shame.

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

It's a shame that a deal couldn't get done, but the second Lowry demanded the Kobe contract, that scared away a lot of suitors. There was no way Morey was gonna deal Thybulle

Spoiler:

as he and Simmons as a defensive tandem with Embiid would destroy teams together. Matisse and Ben are slated to compete for the Australian national team at the Olympics. Matisse was born in AZ to a Haitian-born Harlem raised Father and a white American Mother who was a doctor in naturopathic medicine. Dude grew up in Sydney where he was more into swimming but the family returned to the US settling in the Seattle area when he was 9.

Quite frankly, if the Raptors could've squeezed a 2nd 1st round pick out of the 76ers along with some future 2nds, they could've done a deal like this when they were at the bottom of the league at 18-26 and dealt Boucher at his peak:

Philadelphia: Kyle Lowry, Chris Boucher, DeAndre Bembry(last 2 acquired via Al Horford TPE)
Dallas: Danny Green
Detroit: J.J. Reddick
Houston: Pat McCaw, Vincent Poirier
New Orleans: Stanley Johnson, Terrance Ferguson, Mike Scott
Toronto: Eric Bledsoe, D.J. Augustin, Cory Joseph, Tyrese Maxey, Paul Reed, 1 1st via PHI, 1-2 1sts via NO(with pro.), 1 2nd from DAL, 1 2nd from Det via CHA or TOR, multiple 2nds from NOLA, 1 2nd from HOU via GS(24)

-Philly gets their final piece to the puzzle to put them over the top and adds two solid rotation pieces in Boucher and Bembry who have T/O at a team friendly cap hit for next year. Can't gamble on Embiid staying healthy as the window could shut the second he gets hurt so best to capitalize. I think Morey would've gone for this deal.
-Dallas gets a far better defender who can shoot the 3 from anywhere and has a high BB IQ in Danny Green who's deal is expiring.
-Detroit buys out Redick, but gets out of paying Joseph $2.4M from next year's cap space for the price of a 2nd.
-Houston adds a little salary this year but shed 7M from next year's deal and the last year is only guaranteed for $333,333k. The owner is strapped for cash and would be more than willing to save some money long term.
-New Orleans gets out of Bledsoe's deal and opens up cap space for Lonzo should he choose to stay. Bledsoe has been killing the Pelicans with his low BB IQ. This deal would've allowed them to fill out the roster for the year.
-Raptors eat some terrible deals but they get a crap ton of assets plus said deals expire after 21-22 as Bled and D.J.'s deals are guaranteed for a combined $4,233,333M. Getting some young assets and picks to hopefully find a diamond in the rough will be a good choice. Plus this deal would've allowed them to obtain a high lotto pick to help in the retooling plans.

It was a pipe dream and sadly Lowry will go for nothing, but I don't blame Morey for keeping Thybulle...

Not a shame for the 76ers... and yes, he will go for nothing... And yes, it was a pipe dream that 35 year old, unrestricted free agent, could command two 1st round picks and Danny Green, much less Mattise Thybulle on top of that.

[JN61]

All defensive advanced metrics are very unpredictable and I wouldn't really use them to measure ones impact on defense. There are usually 15-20% of players on absolutely absurd numbers that doesn't reflect their real game impact.

[slicedbread2]

Spoiler:

Getting George Hill was nice as a depth piece for the 76ers, but like you mentioned he is not anywhere near the level of player Lowry is. Most fan basis outside or the Raptors vastly underrate him, but it sounds like being a Nova fan and grad student there that you properly appreciate his game. The stats do not tell the story with Kyle, but he is still putting up 17/7/5 on 44/40/88. He is far from washed and I honestly believe that he was a perfect fit for the 76ers, but as a franchise icon it was going to be difficult to trade him unless the Raptors got a great return.

It's a shame that a deal couldn't get done, but the second Lowry demanded the Kobe contract, that scared away a lot of suitors. There was no way Morey was gonna deal Thybulle

Spoiler:

as he and Simmons as a defensive tandem with Embiid would destroy teams together. Matisse and Ben are slated to compete for the Australian national team at the Olympics. Matisse was born in AZ to a Haitian-born Harlem raised Father and a white American Mother who was a doctor in naturopathic medicine. Dude grew up in Sydney where he was more into swimming but the family returned to the US settling in the Seattle area when he was 9.

Quite frankly, if the Raptors could've squeezed a 2nd 1st round pick out of the 76ers along with some future 2nds, they could've done a deal like this when they were at the bottom of the league at 18-26 and dealt Boucher at his peak:

Philadelphia: Kyle Lowry, Chris Boucher, DeAndre Bembry(last 2 acquired via Al Horford TPE)
Dallas: Danny Green
Detroit: J.J. Reddick
Houston: Pat McCaw, Vincent Poirier
New Orleans: Stanley Johnson, Terrance Ferguson, Mike Scott
Toronto: Eric Bledsoe, D.J. Augustin, Cory Joseph, Tyrese Maxey, Paul Reed, 1 1st via PHI, 1-2 1sts via NO(with pro.), 1 2nd from DAL, 1 2nd from Det via CHA or TOR, multiple 2nds from NOLA, 1 2nd from HOU via GS(24)

-Philly gets their final piece to the puzzle to put them over the top and adds two solid rotation pieces in Boucher and Bembry who have T/O at a team friendly cap hit for next year. Can't gamble on Embiid staying healthy as the window could shut the second he gets hurt so best to capitalize. I think Morey would've gone for this deal.
-Dallas gets a far better defender who can shoot the 3 from anywhere and has a high BB IQ in Danny Green who's deal is expiring.
-Detroit buys out Redick, but gets out of paying Joseph $2.4M from next year's cap space for the price of a 2nd.
-Houston adds a little salary this year but shed 7M from next year's deal and the last year is only guaranteed for $333,333k. The owner is strapped for cash and would be more than willing to save some money long term.
-New Orleans gets out of Bledsoe's deal and opens up cap space for Lonzo should he choose to stay. Bledsoe has been killing the Pelicans with his low BB IQ. This deal would've allowed them to fill out the roster for the year.
-Raptors eat some terrible deals but they get a crap ton of assets plus said deals expire after 21-22 as Bled and D.J.'s deals are guaranteed for a combined $4,233,333M. Getting some young assets and picks to hopefully find a diamond in the rough will be a good choice. Plus this deal would've allowed them to obtain a high lotto pick to help in the retooling plans.

It was a pipe dream and sadly Lowry will go for nothing, but I don't blame Morey for keeping Thybulle...

Not a shame for the 76ers... and yes, he will go for nothing... And yes, it was a pipe dream that 35 year old, unrestricted free agent, could command two 1st round picks and Danny Green, much less Mattise Thybulle on top of that.

Once Thybulle emerged as a Tony Allen type of player but with hopefully better offense. there was no way he'd be included in any trade talks. I think if Masai did the follow up moves I proposed he could've gotten more from flipping expiring salary and obtaining more picks that could've helped in retooling the team as realistically the Raptors would've been most likely to have at best nabbed Maxey+1st, couple of 2nds and Paul Reed. But once he wanted the 2/50M, there went any opportunity Masai had at leveraging Lowry plus the damn Rockets gave away Oladipo for a lotto pro. pick swap that could turn into a 2nd if not conveyed plus cap savings of $3M.

Thybulle could be a potential 1st team all defense player if he just improves that jump shot and FT%. Andre Roberson got paid 3/30 for his elite defense and ability to guard 1-4 despite being useless from the 3 and being scared of the FT and after getting that contract he tore his patella tendon and was never the same.

It'll be fun to watch Thybulle turn into spider man on defense. Y'all are fortunate that Morey came onto the scene as he's managed to turn things around and potentially finish what Hinkie started. Plus I'm still amazed at how he got out of Horford's deal for so little and still has that $8.1M TPE from the deal he could use to add another player if he wants.

[knuckles862]

A good watch for those who don't see the kid play alot

Watch on YouTube

[DCasey91]

A good watch for those who don't see the kid play alot

Watch on YouTube

Should be a lock 1 at team all defense, played starter minutes would be a hot contender for DPOY.

Outside of jitterbug guards and Heavy Centers he destroys it. 76ers fan he’s easily the best out of Embiid, Simmons, Howard, Green.

One game he came on the other team scores 5 points in over 4 minutes of gameplay, dude had like 2 blocks and 3 steals. It was like a reverse Harden one man show. No one wanted a bar of him. Funnily enough when they scored the ball was like a good 20 feet away from him. Just kept getting further and further away on each play lol was funny asf to watch the opponents guards trying to bring it up and initiate action.

Whoever said Spider-Man earlier in this thread kudos that’s a bang on description.

4:20 enough said that’s some Neo stuff.
Only time he got beat in that clip was when Beal carries/palms the ball lol but that’s nothing new in the NBA... I mean streetball.

[knuckles862]

A good watch for those who don't see the kid play alot

Watch on YouTube

Should be a lock 1 at team all defense, played starter minutes would be a hot contender for DPOY.

Outside of jitterbug guards and Heavy Centers he destroys it. 76ers fan he’s easily the best out of Embiid, Simmons, Howard, Green.

One game he came on the other team scores 5 points in over 4 minutes of gameplay, dude had like 2 blocks and 3 steals. It was like a reverse Harden one man show. No one wanted a bar of him. Funnily enough when they scored the ball was like a good 20 feet away from him. Just kept getting further and further away on each play lol was funny asf to watch the opponents guards trying to bring it up and initiate action.

Whoever said Spider-Man earlier in this thread kudos that’s a bang on description.

4:20 enough said that’s some Neo stuff.
Only time he got beat in that clip was when Beal carries/palms the ball lol but that’s nothing new in the NBA... I mean streetball.

I think he is first team talent but probably will only make second team because of the minutes. I agree with everything else though

[The_Hater]

Box Plus/Minus is a very good offensive metric, but it struggles some with defense. As mentioned before, when all you have is a box score, you cannot estimate defense very well. Not including minutes per game in the regression also hampers the accuracy of the defensive estimates. In other words--take DBPM with a spoonful of salt.

Yuck.

Except MT isn’t a great defender just because of this one stat, he’s a great defender because every stat plus the eyeball test clearly indicates that he’s a great defensive players.

He’s in season #2 and he’s going to be one of the best perimeter defenders the NBA has ever seen. He’s a freak.

[Kobblehead]

He's literally the best defensive player of all-time.