Completely Fake, but Fun 2021 Off-Season News Report Series: After Disappointing Playoffs, Nuggets Shop Porter Jr.

[LightTheBeam]

Funny, we’ve got one guy saying Denver needs to add a lot and another saying OKC needs to add a lot.

I think SGA has the edge for now but I don’t think it’s inconceivable that MPJ ends up being the better player.

Id love a poll. Pretty sure SGA would win, but it would be interesting to see the T&T takes.

[Alatan]

MPJ/Barton/Turner to Raptors..

Lowry
Trent /Barton
MPJ
Siakam
Turner

Gordon/Nuggets 21 to Pacers

Brogdon
Levert
Warren
Gordon
Sabonis

Boucher/Anunoby/FVV to Denver

*Murray
FVV
Anunoby
Boucher
Jokic

Terrible for the Nuggets.

[NYG]

Funny, we’ve got one guy saying Denver needs to add a lot and another saying OKC needs to add a lot.

I think SGA has the edge for now but I don’t think it’s inconceivable that MPJ ends up being the better player.

Id love a poll. Pretty sure SGA would win, but it would be interesting to see the T&T takes.

I'm also interested to know if MPJ singularly outbids the Warriors collection of assets?

[goober]

MPJ is just too perfect of a fit next to Jokic. Murray's ACL tear makes it tough to trade him, but I think he in theory should be the piece on the move.

FWIW I actually think Denver goes to the Finals this year.

[gswhoops]

Funny, we’ve got one guy saying Denver needs to add a lot and another saying OKC needs to add a lot.

I think SGA has the edge for now but I don’t think it’s inconceivable that MPJ ends up being the better player.

Id love a poll. Pretty sure SGA would win, but it would be interesting to see the T&T takes.

I'm also interested to know if MPJ singularly outbids the Warriors collection of assets?

Probably depends on context and whether the MIN pick conveys.

I could actually see a three team deal with us flipping our assets for MPJ and Denver landing a star. He’d be a ridiculous fit on offense and we have the defenders to cover him.

[penbeast0]

Porter Jr could be better than Beal by next year.

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

[Colbinii]

Porter Jr could be better than Beal by next year.

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

Also true!

[The Rebel]

Porter Jr could be better than Beal by next year.

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

Where has Porter ever shown a bad attitude? According to all the players he is well liked in the locker room.

[goober]

Porter Jr could be better than Beal by next year.

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

Where has Porter ever shown a bad attitude? According to all the players he is well liked in the locker room.

I think it comes from MPJ asking for more touches in the Jazz series
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/09/michael-porter-jr-criticized-the-nuggets-play-calling-and-got-called-out-for-it

I don't think it means he has a bad attitude but I know that that comment rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I'm in the camp where I wouldn't trade MPJ for Beal, but I value really highly his ability to score off ball and the level of efficiency he does it. I think he is a unicorn offensively. The most perfect fit of a player next to Jokic, sans Steph Curry

[The Rebel]

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

Where has Porter ever shown a bad attitude? According to all the players he is well liked in the locker room.

I think it comes from MPJ asking for more touches in the Jazz series
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/09/michael-porter-jr-criticized-the-nuggets-play-calling-and-got-called-out-for-it

I don't think it means he has a bad attitude but I know that that comment rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

I'm in the camp where I wouldn't trade MPJ for Beal, but I value really highly his ability to score off ball and the level of efficiency he does it. I think he is a unicorn offensively. The most perfect fit of a player next to Jokic, sans Steph Curry

It rubbed a lot of talking heads the wrong way, Malone said he lived it and that MPJ was right. Personally I will take the coaches and teammates word over a bunch that know nothing about it but that is just me.

[penbeast0]

I don't know if he has a bad attitude or not, I just know that Beal has stayed loyal through a lot a dreary hopeless Wizard seasons and that should count for something. I don't think most players would have stuck it out; free agency or trade demands are more the norm than the exception in these situations.

[Zan Tabacco]

Id love a poll. Pretty sure SGA would win, but it would be interesting to see the T&T takes.

I'm also interested to know if MPJ singularly outbids the Warriors collection of assets?

Probably depends on context and whether the MIN pick conveys.

I could actually see a three team deal with us flipping our assets for MPJ and Denver landing a star. He’d be a ridiculous fit on offense and we have the defenders to cover him.

I don't think Denver needs more star power, Jokic-Porter Jr. is already a pretty ideal 1 - 2 punch. The move should be trading Murray for depth pieces (elite roll players/starters) to round out the lineup and improve their team defense.

[NYG]

Stealing from the other thread...

If Denver underperforms in the playoffs...

Steph Curry and Draymond Green for Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr.

Jokic/Green/Curry could win it all.

[Patsfan1081]

I feel like we pick apart a lot of young players games yet Porter Jr seems to get a pass on here. He’s played barely over a hundred games and has yet to see really any adversity outside his injuries. So I’m going to hold off putting his value on par with Beal, SGA, ect... I’ll be interested to see a lengthy playoff run from him, how his health holds up, his defense, if he can make others around him better.....

[BuddyBuckets]

What about Ingram for MPJ as a base idea? Anyone want to flesh that out?

[RoyceDa59]

I just can’t fathom the Nuggets trading MPJ.

[goober]

What about Ingram for MPJ as a base idea? Anyone want to flesh that out?

MPJ is just a much better off-ball scorer. I wouldn’t trade him for Ingram.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/michael-porter-jr-s-breakout-is-real/amp/

I really enjoyed this read on MPJ. I don’t find his recent display of stardom as just a hot streak. I genuinely believe he is the closest we’ve seen to another Kevin Durant arche-type, and with how he is scoring, at the usage rate he’s currently posting, is rare. Very rare as the article says. I’m all in on MPJ, and he’s improved on the defensive end this year. We’ll see how it holds in the playoffs, but besides Luka and Zion, I think it’s very arguable that MPJ is 3rd best player in the league on a rookie contract.

[Laimbeer]

Funny, we’ve got one guy saying Denver needs to add a lot and another saying OKC needs to add a lot.

I think SGA has the edge for now but I don’t think it’s inconceivable that MPJ ends up being the better player.

Yeah, but don't SGA and Murray step on one another?

[NuggetsWY]

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

I can't imagine Denver trading Porter, he's such a perfect fit alongside Jokic & Murray. We can have some fun.

Of course everyone is going to call Porter "damaged goods" and de-value him --- but notice that since the Nuggets started playing him, he doesn't spend time on the injured list. And last year's little rant about shots during the playoffs makes people de-value him because of his attitude; but that does not give him a "bad attitude", when you have a shot as sweet as his, you need to shoot and shoot often. That's his value.

In order to replace him, Denver needs a wing shooter or a stretch-4 with an emphasis on STRETCH. Most of those players are not available and/or Denver's going to want the player plus at least a mid-level 1st. Then add in the salary issue. Porter's still on a very nice rookie contract.

So just trying to find something remotely possible:

Joe Harris would be nice - but it would take Barton's salary to make things work
Duncan Robinson would be nice & Miami could throw in some filler
Lonzo Ball wouldn't be a bad choice - but it would take Green's salary (no doubt New Orleans would like Morris too)

[NYG]

But Beal is a sure thing with a great attitude and a history of good health, none of which can be said for MPJ.

I can't imagine Denver trading Porter, he's such a perfect fit alongside Jokic & Murray. We can have some fun.

Of course everyone is going to call Porter "damaged goods" and de-value him --- but notice that since the Nuggets started playing him, he doesn't spend time on the injured list. And last year's little rant about shots during the playoffs makes people de-value him because of his attitude; but that does not give him a "bad attitude", when you have a shot as sweet as his, you need to shoot and shoot often. That's his value.

In order to replace him, Denver needs a wing shooter or a stretch-4 with an emphasis on STRETCH. Most of those players are not available and/or Denver's going to want the player plus at least a mid-level 1st. Then add in the salary issue. Porter's still on a very nice rookie contract.

So just trying to find something remotely possible:

Joe Harris would be nice - but it would take Barton's salary to make things work
Duncan Robinson would be nice & Miami could throw in some filler
Lonzo Ball wouldn't be a bad choice - but it would take Green's salary (no doubt New Orleans would like Morris too)

MPJ for Duncan S&T based deal looks awesome to me