General Blue Jays Thread

[The_Hater]

Hard to say. Really, there are some red flags with Bo this year: beyond the errors (which I'd still expect to sort out), his K-BB is abysmal and his GB% has skyrocketed. I'd imagine that you would be looking at something in the $90m/6 range to buy out his final pre-arb season, three years of arb and two years of FA*, but I'm not sure which party would be unnerved the most by that.


*That would break down to roughly $500k for next year, $8/$13.5/$18m for his arb years and $25/$25m for his FA years, which doesn't seem unreasonable.

Seems pretty risky for the organization at this point.

Does it though? He’s playing the 2nd toughest defensive position so could still move to 2nd, 3rd or CF and be a valuable defender if SS isn’t his long term spot. He’s got a great arm and he’s already proven himself to be a plus hitter with possibly even more upside. He’s only 23 and has posted OPS+ numbers of 144, 128 and 126 the current season as a middle infielder. That’s extremely valuable.

I think locking up a young player like Bo is very low risk, it’s giving big money to an older player like Springer who won’t likely stay in CF his entire contract and is already having issues physically that’s risky.

[Schad]

Yeah, I'd likely do it to buy out a couple FA years, it's just that there aren't many discounts on those pre-arb extensions anymore. Teams are assuming most of the risk, and Bo has enough flaws that he isn't a guaranteed superstar (though his floor is fairly high).

[I_Like_Dirt]

Yeah, I'd likely do it to buy out a couple FA years, it's just that there aren't many discounts on those pre-arb extensions anymore. Teams are assuming most of the risk, and Bo has enough flaws that he isn't a guaranteed superstar (though his floor is fairly high).

He's not a guaranteed superstar but nobody really is, as the Mets are finding out with Lindor right now. Bo's floor is starting to feel somewhat close to a guy like Semien, only with less defense and more bat, but with the potential to be more because of his bat speed and a rather obvious place to improve when it comes to drawing a walk or two.

Honestly, he's the guy I'd feel most comfortable with the team locking up. There are no questions about his conditioning and he's a solid overall player both offensively and defensively at worst.

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[Schad]

He's not a guaranteed superstar but nobody really is, as the Mets are finding out with Lindor right now. Bo's floor is starting to feel somewhat close to a guy like Semien, only with less defense and more bat, but with the potential to be more because of his bat speed and a rather obvious place to improve when it comes to drawing a walk or two.

Honestly, he's the guy I'd feel most comfortable with the team locking up. There are no questions about his conditioning and he's a solid overall player both offensively and defensively at worst.

Might not have phrased that terribly well: that he's not a guaranteed superstar is the reason we may have a chance to lock him up for something short of the Tatis Special. Bo might still prefer to bet on himself, but there's logic for him in getting $90m or something guaranteed now, and still hitting FA with years of his prime remaining. Believe he'd still be 28 if we bought out two years of FA.

[The_Hater]

We could really use a player like Jonathon Davis off the bench. Someone that can play defense, has top speed, a good base runner, good situational hitter who can get on base.

Davis is none of those things, so they’ll likely have to acquire someone.

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[Schad]

We could really use a player like Jonathon Davis off the bench. Someone that can play defense, has top speed, a good base runner, good situational hitter who can get on base.

Davis is none of those things, so they’ll likely have to acquire someone.

Chavez Young (currently in AA) is the most likely candidate. Takes walks at a decent clip, should be able to play solid OF defense at all three positions, fast. I'm dubious that he'll ever hit enough to be a regular, but he may be able to hit just enough to hold down the role.

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[The_Hater]

Can somebody explain to me why, with an off day today, the Jays can’t just skip TBD in the rotation and go with our 4 main guys until the weekend? They’re obviously getting their regular rest.

[Schad]

Can somebody explain to me why, with an off day today, the Jays can’t just skip TBD in the rotation and go with our 4 main guys until the weekend? They’re obviously getting their regular rest.

As it stands, Stripling is listed as the presumptive starter on Tuesday, and Matz on Wednesday. That would be their normal 5 days rest, with the skipped starter being...Ryu.

Which seems unlikely! So I presume he's starting tomorrow, absent further information.

[Raider917]

Is it Ryu tonight? Mlb.com still have TBD.

[Randle McMurphy]

Unless Ryu is hurt, it will definitely be Ryu.

[Raider917]

That's what I'm wondering. I hope it's not covid.....they have Ryu now....no worries

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Man Trout gone for 6-8 weeks. It feels like the Angels wasting Trout’s prime, imho considering they have a feared duo in Ohtani and Trout yet last in their division


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[Schad]

Man Trout gone for 6-8 weeks. It feels like the Angels wasting Trout’s prime, imho considering they have a feared duo in Ohtani and Trout yet last in their division

It's a cliche, but baseball's very much a team sport. You can have arguably the two best players in baseball and still be extremely mediocre...hell, the Angels have 3 of the top 21 in batting runs above average and their team wOBA is just a shade above-average, because most of their lineup is hot garbage.

[Parataxis]

Don't look now, but 538 currently has the Jays projected as the top run differential team in the AL East...

[The_Hater]

Don't look now, but 538 currently has the Jays projected as the top run differential team in the AL East...

Ignoring all the pitching injuries, Springer has barely played and Jansen, Tellez and Gurriel have all been hitting at below replacement level.

Other then perhaps Vlade, who probably doesn’t fit here either, is there a single hitter on the team who has exceeded to the point where we should expect regression?

[The_Hater]

Man Trout gone for 6-8 weeks. It feels like the Angels wasting Trout’s prime, imho considering they have a feared duo in Ohtani and Trout yet last in their division

It's a cliche, but baseball's very much a team sport. You can have arguably the two best players in baseball and still be extremely mediocre...hell, the Angels have 3 of the top 21 in batting runs above average and their team wOBA is just a shade above-average, because most of their lineup is hot garbage.

I remember back in the late 90’s the Mariners had Griffey, ARod and Randy Johnson and couldn’t make the playoffs most years. Even posted losing records some seasons. Then after all 3 were gone and the team looked far less impressive on paper, they won 116 games.

[Parataxis]

Don't look now, but 538 currently has the Jays projected as the top run differential team in the AL East...

Ignoring all the pitching injuries, Springer has barely played and Jansen, Tellez and Gurriel have all been hitting at below replacement level.

Other then perhaps Vlade, who probably doesn’t fit here either, is there a single hitter on the team who has exceeded to the point where we should expect regression?

Maaaaaaaaybe Grichuk? If I had to choose somebody.

Teoscar's 300+ avg might be tough to maintain as well, but I feel like he's doing it sustainably.