Hawks (5) @ Knicks (4) - Playoffs Round 1 - Game 1 - SUNDAY May 23 - 7:00pm

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Trae Young when guarded by Payton this season

January 4th: Trae Young 4-10

February 15th: Trae Young 2-6

April 21: Trae Young: 1-5

Total combined for the season: 7-21 (33% FG)


This is basically the only matchup Payton is good at defensively apparently. So maybe we can survive this with Payton starting. Just trying to be positive here.

I have such a difficult time believing this stat. Payton is such a pathetically weak defender off the PNR - he literally never fights over a screen. We both watch all these games Melo, we had to have missed something lol

Elf's defense is the biggest lie and I will fight anyone to the death who thinks otherwise.

i actually remember him giving Trae a hard time in one of those games to be honest. i hate Payton as much as you do but he actually defends Trae pretty well. it’s the only player I’ve seen him actually lock up on defense. will it translate over to the playoffs? i don’t know but I hope so.

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

[3toheadmelo]

I have such a difficult time believing this stat. Payton is such a pathetically weak defender off the PNR - he literally never fights over a screen. We both watch all these games Melo, we had to have missed something lol

Elf's defense is the biggest lie and I will fight anyone to the death who thinks otherwise.

i actually remember him giving Trae a hard time in one of those games to be honest. i hate Payton as much as you do but he actually defends Trae pretty well. it’s the only player I’ve seen him actually lock up on defense. will it translate over to the playoffs? i don’t know but I hope so.

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

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i actually remember him giving Trae a hard time in one of those games to be honest. i hate Payton as much as you do but he actually defends Trae pretty well. it’s the only player I’ve seen him actually lock up on defense. will it translate over to the playoffs? i don’t know but I hope so.

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

Didn't he average some crazy assist numbers per36? I thought I read it was like 20+ or some **** vs Payton

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

I don't think this is good at all, these are his assist numbers while Payton guards him which was probably not that many minutes.. 5 assists(granted Payton played 29 mins this game so maybe he did guard Trae for a good amount)

but the other 2 he only was on the floor for 24 minutes and 17, and who knows if they were all at the same time Trae was out there.

April 21st: 3 assists per 3.066 minutes; or ~35 assists per 36
February 15th: 2 assists per 4.933 minutes; or ~14.5 assists per 36
January 4th: 5 assists per 6.133 minutes; or ~29 assists per 36

I think those are kind of high assist numbers which shows its bad not good no?

[mpharris36]

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

Didn't he average some crazy assist numbers per36? I thought I read it was like 20+ or some **** vs Payton

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

I don't think this is good at all, these are his assist numbers while Payton guards him which was probably not that many minutes.. 5 assists(granted Payton played 29 mins this game so maybe he did guard Trae for a good amount)

but the other 2 he only was on the floor for 24 minutes and 17, and who knows if they were all at the same time Trae was out there.

I think those are kind of high assist numbers which shows its bad not good no?

if I remember these games....Young missed a ton of easy floaters too.

I do not trust Payton to do anything well especially try to defend Trae.

[mpharris36]

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oh boy...50% would be bananas!

[3toheadmelo]

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

Didn't he average some crazy assist numbers per36? I thought I read it was like 20+ or some **** vs Payton

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

I don't think this is good at all, these are his assist numbers while Payton guards him which was probably not that many minutes.. 5 assists(granted Payton played 29 mins this game so maybe he did guard Trae for a good amount)

but the other 2 he only was on the floor for 24 minutes and 17, and who knows if they were all at the same time Trae was out there.

April 21st: 3 assists per 3.066 minutes; or ~35 assists per 36
February 15th: 2 assists per 4.933 minutes; or ~14.5 assists per 36
January 4th: 5 assists per 6.133 minutes; or ~29 assists per 36

I think those are kind of high assist numbers which shows its bad not good no?

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

[HarthorneWingo]

who would we play in the next round should we get past the hawks?

Looking past the Hawks already? That’s a big Thibs’ No-No.

[ag3]

Dolan can fill the stadium 100% if he wants to. He can make it vaccinated only.

[ag3]

General public playoff tickets on sale Wednesday.

[RandlesCornrows]

It sucks to wait a week. My anxiety is through the roof.

[ag3]

Dolan just said they will go "way higher" than 50% capacity with vaccinated only.

[Handledatruth]

I put Knicks in 6 because it rhymes. We got this though.

[-YogiBiz-]

On god I feel for you guys that live in Ny. I got my tickets for Game 3 at 120/ticket

[RandlesCornrows]

Sheesh Dolan is trying for 13k fans. At least 50% for game 1. We’ll have a massive advantage.

[cgf]

50 percent of the barclays is capacity. they're gonna have a full house.

You don't think Celtics fans or Wizards will make the trip if the Nets drop game 1?

[cgf]

i actually remember him giving Trae a hard time in one of those games to be honest. i hate Payton as much as you do but he actually defends Trae pretty well. it’s the only player I’ve seen him actually lock up on defense. will it translate over to the playoffs? i don’t know but I hope so.

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

He actually did give up a lot of assists per minute, the limited time Payton spent on Trae just made the totals look decent.

In Payton's best game against Trae, the February matchup, Trae was throwing out ~14.5 assists per 36 with Elf on him...in the other two it was ~29 & ~35, aka almost a dime a minute.

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

Didn't he average some crazy assist numbers per36? I thought I read it was like 20+ or some **** vs Payton

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

I don't think this is good at all, these are his assist numbers while Payton guards him which was probably not that many minutes.. 5 assists(granted Payton played 29 mins this game so maybe he did guard Trae for a good amount)

but the other 2 he only was on the floor for 24 minutes and 17, and who knows if they were all at the same time Trae was out there.

April 21st: 3 assists per 3.066 minutes; or ~35 assists per 36
February 15th: 2 assists per 4.933 minutes; or ~14.5 assists per 36
January 4th: 5 assists per 6.133 minutes; or ~29 assists per 36

I think those are kind of high assist numbers which shows its bad not good no?

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

It puts the totals in a little context. Like saying Elf only gave up 3 assists to Trae in this last game sounds pretty good. While saying that Trae was throwing out almost an assist a minute when Elf was defending him, sounds pretty bad & suggests that Trae was shredding Elf and Thibs just didn't leave elf on Trae for long enough for Trae to get more than 3 assists off of Payton.

I appreciate you playing devils advocate on this.

[3toheadmelo]

Depends on if you count Trae getting a ton of assists while being guarded by Payton, Paytons fault or not top.

I could see the logic that despite the poor shooting, he's not locking up Trae if Paytons poor PnR defense allows Trae to rack up easy assists.

(I'm just basing it off assist numbers, haven't fully looked into this theory or anything)

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

He actually did give up a lot of assists per minute, the limited time Payton spent on Trae just made the totals look decent.

In Payton's best game against Trae, the February matchup, Trae was throwing out ~14.5 assists per 36 with Elf on him...in the other two it was ~29 & ~35, aka almost a dime a minute.

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

[cgf]

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

He actually did give up a lot of assists per minute, the limited time Payton spent on Trae just made the totals look decent.

In Payton's best game against Trae, the February matchup, Trae was throwing out ~14.5 assists per 36 with Elf on him...in the other two it was ~29 & ~35, aka almost a dime a minute.

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

You beat my edit

i posted the assists when guarded by Payton too. he didn’t get that much assists. Payton legit did a good job on Trae as much as I hate to admit it. regular season is regular season though. who knows if it will translate over to the post season. hoping Payton locks him up again

Didn't he average some crazy assist numbers per36? I thought I read it was like 20+ or some **** vs Payton

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

I don't think this is good at all, these are his assist numbers while Payton guards him which was probably not that many minutes.. 5 assists(granted Payton played 29 mins this game so maybe he did guard Trae for a good amount)

but the other 2 he only was on the floor for 24 minutes and 17, and who knows if they were all at the same time Trae was out there.

April 21st: 3 assists per 3.066 minutes; or ~35 assists per 36
February 15th: 2 assists per 4.933 minutes; or ~14.5 assists per 36
January 4th: 5 assists per 6.133 minutes; or ~29 assists per 36

I think those are kind of high assist numbers which shows its bad not good no?

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

It puts the totals in a little context. Like saying Elf only gave up 3 assists to Trae in this last game sounds pretty good. While saying that Trae was throwing out almost an assist a minute when Elf was defending him, sounds pretty bad & suggests that Trae was shredding Elf and Thibs just didn't leave elf on Trae for long enough for Trae to get more than 3 assists off of Payton.

I appreciate you playing devils advocate on this.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I kinda only remember last game vs the Hawks and Trae was getting to wherever he wanted and the Hawks were scoring at will with Payton on the floor.

Payton had 142.1 Defensive Rating..by far worse of anyone who played significant minutes in that one. Payton did not play good defense in that game.

[3toheadmelo]

He actually did give up a lot of assists per minute, the limited time Payton spent on Trae just made the totals look decent.

In Payton's best game against Trae, the February matchup, Trae was throwing out ~14.5 assists per 36 with Elf on him...in the other two it was ~29 & ~35, aka almost a dime a minute.

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

You beat my edit

Didn't he average some crazy assist numbers per36? I thought I read it was like 20+ or some **** vs Payton



I don't think this is good at all, these are his assist numbers while Payton guards him which was probably not that many minutes.. 5 assists(granted Payton played 29 mins this game so maybe he did guard Trae for a good amount)

but the other 2 he only was on the floor for 24 minutes and 17, and who knows if they were all at the same time Trae was out there.



I think those are kind of high assist numbers which shows its bad not good no?

per 36 is pretty useless to me. Payton isn’t gonna be on him for 36 mins so what’s the point of using it? I’ll take him holding Trae to just 33% overall over nothing (which is what we’re used to)

It puts the totals in a little context. Like saying Elf only gave up 3 assists to Trae in this last game sounds pretty good. While saying that Trae was throwing out almost an assist a minute when Elf was defending him, sounds pretty bad & suggests that Trae was shredding Elf and Thibs just didn't leave elf on Trae for long enough for Trae to get more than 3 assists off of Payton.

I appreciate you playing devils advocate on this.

by all means I am not a Payton fan at all and want to cut him from the team. just trying to look at this from Thibs perspective. whatever Payton did to Trae worked cause we beat them 3 times. ill take Payton holding him to 33% overall instead of Trae going off like he does to most players in the league