Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[pepe1991]

Yeah, I'm personally in the boat that we are a surefire lock to finish as a bottom 5 team next year. The youth that we are going to be actively playing will ensure that much.

I would be 1000% shocked if guys like Ross/Harris were on this team past the trade deadline next year. Fultz by many advanced metrics has proven to be one of the worst starting guards in the league. I predict Isaac struggling a bit coming off a major injury and an increased role offensively.

Us being good next year is one of the last things I'm concerned about. We're going to add two more sub-20-year-olds to the rotation.

we could barely finish bottom 5 this year with all the injuries. Isaac back, lottery pick, full training camp, i cant see us a bottom 5 team again

Because we didn't start active tank until last 28 games.,
We finished February with 13-21 record. In that moment,we were 2 games behind Pacers for playin, 3 games from 8th seed, 4 games behind from direct playoffs.

Post allstar break with 8-28 record nobody was worst than us but 7-29 OKC & 6-30 Houston.

I really don't get how anybody can look at this roster, look at earlier schedule that is always more competitive, and expect anything but top 5 worst record again.

People have such an unreaslitic expetations for Isaac & Fultz. Fultz probably won't even play first couple of months.
isaac played 32 min of basketball since January 1st, 2020. You will get him back after being out of basketball for basically 2 years.

As far as rookies go, Wiseman last year, Zion year prior were pegged as " immediate contributors", both got hurt so early and were basically out for whole season.
In general, almost all rookies get hurt nowdays because their bodies can't handle increesed workloud.

[cedric76]

We ll make at least the play in, it s guaranteed

[Bergmaniac]

Unless we draft someone who will have a star impact on offense right away and holds his own on D too, which pretty much never happens in the NBA, we are not making the play-in without getting extremely lucky with injuries for several other teams. Which East teams are we supposed to leapfrog? Indiana will probably get a better coach and when they are reasonably healthy they have much more talent and experience than us. Toronto has a much better roster and experience and an elite coach. Bulls have LaVine and Vuc. Charlotte will have a better LaMelo and they were a pretty solid team when Hayward was healthy.

Even if Isaac and a bit more experience for the young guys makes us a solid defensive team, how are we going to score efficiently? Even if we get lucky and draft the offensive player in the draft, he'd have so little help.

[pepe1991]

Few facts, thoughts and observations

For start, some facts.
Adam Silver said that nba season 2021-22 will start as "regular". Witch means, new season starts probably at November 1st, since it's Monday, or even week earlier, October 25th.

If we use November 1st as start of regular season, it will mean 2 things:
a) Isaac will be 14 months away from his ACL tear and probably ready to play in preseason
b) Markelle Fultz will not recover in time for preseason, opening night and probably will be out until at least mid January, more realistic- mid February

Jeremy Lamb, torn his ACL and had some record setting recover, but much like it's always the case with rushing recovery, re-injuried himself after 36 games and is probably out for rest of a year.
Fultz should not be rushed to return on opening night.
Isaac, at apsolute best, should play no more than 50-55 games.

So when you put realistic outlook on upcomming season, you have Isaac & Fultz playing around 45-65 games each at apsolute best. Probably 45 being closer to reality than 65.

For start, it's not hard to see that that fact alone will hinder any hope for direct playoffs. Maybe playin tournament, but given how terrible Magic were with current young core + G league guys and veterans looked after allstar break, post trades ( 4th worst defense , second worst offense) it's highly unlikley to expect playoff team from this bunch, knowing only potential improvments, will be healthy returning players ( Ross, Harris, Okeke ) and adding rookie(s), who are notorious for not being contributors right away.

Also, Magic won't have enough cap space where free agency will be some pivotal factor.
Maybe looking for some short term deal with Otto Porter, but it's unclear what he wants at this stage, play for contender or try to reviwe his career.

[tiderulz]

Yeah, I'm personally in the boat that we are a surefire lock to finish as a bottom 5 team next year. The youth that we are going to be actively playing will ensure that much.

I would be 1000% shocked if guys like Ross/Harris were on this team past the trade deadline next year. Fultz by many advanced metrics has proven to be one of the worst starting guards in the league. I predict Isaac struggling a bit coming off a major injury and an increased role offensively.

Us being good next year is one of the last things I'm concerned about. We're going to add two more sub-20-year-olds to the rotation.

we could barely finish bottom 5 this year with all the injuries. Isaac back, lottery pick, full training camp, i cant see us a bottom 5 team again

Because we didn't start active tank until last 28 games.,
We finished February with 13-21 record. In that moment,we were 2 games behind Pacers for playin, 3 games from 8th seed, 4 games behind from direct playoffs.

Post allstar break with 8-28 record nobody was worst than us but 7-29 OKC & 6-30 Houston.

I really don't get how anybody can look at this roster, look at earlier schedule that is always more competitive, and expect anything but top 5 worst record again.

People have such an unreaslitic expetations for Isaac & Fultz. Fultz probably won't even play first couple of months.
isaac played 32 min of basketball since January 1st, 2020. You will get him back after being out of basketball for basically 2 years.

As far as rookies go, Wiseman last year, Zion year prior were pegged as " immediate contributors", both got hurt so early and were basically out for whole season.
In general, almost all rookies get hurt nowdays because their bodies can't handle increesed workloud.

notice i didnt even say playoffs or top seed, just not worst 5 team

[drsd]

Few facts, thoughts and observations

For start, some facts.
Adam Silver said that nba season 2021-22 will start as "regular". Witch means, new season starts probably at November 1st, since it's Monday, or even week earlier, October 25th.

If we use November 1st as start of regular season, it will mean 2 things:
a) Isaac will be 14 months away from his ACL tear and probably ready to play in preseason
b) Markelle Fultz will not recover in time for preseason, opening night and probably will be out until at least mid January, more realistic- mid February

Jeremy Lamb, torn his ACL and had some record setting recover, but much like it's always the case with rushing recovery, re-injuried himself after 36 games and is probably out for rest of a year.
Fultz should not be rushed to return on opening night.
Isaac, at apsolute best, should play no more than 50-55 games.

So when you put realistic outlook on upcomming season, you have Isaac & Fultz playing around 45-65 games each at apsolute best. Probably 45 being closer to reality than 65.

For start, it's not hard to see that that fact alone will hinder any hope for direct playoffs. Maybe playin tournament, but given how terrible Magic were with current young core + G league guys and veterans looked after allstar break, post trades ( 4th worst defense , second worst offense) it's highly unlikley to expect playoff team from this bunch, knowing only potential improvments, will be healthy returning players ( Ross, Harris, Okeke ) and adding rookie(s), who are notorious for not being contributors right away.

Also, Magic won't have enough cap space where free agency will be some pivotal factor.
Maybe looking for some short term deal with Otto Porter, but it's unclear what he wants at this stage, play for contender or try to reviwe his career.

Great observations. Clearly the Magic is going to slow-roll through the 2021/22 season, as the whole roster and the available cap-space of the 2022 off-season clearly has this team primed to compete in 2022/23.


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[axl_c_cool]

Few facts, thoughts and observations

For start, some facts.
Adam Silver said that nba season 2021-22 will start as "regular". Witch means, new season starts probably at November 1st, since it's Monday, or even week earlier, October 25th.

If we use November 1st as start of regular season, it will mean 2 things:
a) Isaac will be 14 months away from his ACL tear and probably ready to play in preseason
b) Markelle Fultz will not recover in time for preseason, opening night and probably will be out until at least mid January, more realistic- mid February

Jeremy Lamb, torn his ACL and had some record setting recover, but much like it's always the case with rushing recovery, re-injuried himself after 36 games and is probably out for rest of a year.
Fultz should not be rushed to return on opening night.
Isaac, at apsolute best, should play no more than 50-55 games.

So when you put realistic outlook on upcomming season, you have Isaac & Fultz playing around 45-65 games each at apsolute best. Probably 45 being closer to reality than 65.

For start, it's not hard to see that that fact alone will hinder any hope for direct playoffs. Maybe playin tournament, but given how terrible Magic were with current young core + G league guys and veterans looked after allstar break, post trades ( 4th worst defense , second worst offense) it's highly unlikley to expect playoff team from this bunch, knowing only potential improvments, will be healthy returning players ( Ross, Harris, Okeke ) and adding rookie(s), who are notorious for not being contributors right away.

Also, Magic won't have enough cap space where free agency will be some pivotal factor.
Maybe looking for some short term deal with Otto Porter, but it's unclear what he wants at this stage, play for contender or try to reviwe his career.

Great observations. Clearly the Magic is going to slow-roll through the 2021/22 season, as the whole roster and the available cap-space of the 2022 off-season clearly has this team primed to compete in 2022/23.


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Another lottery pick in 2022, some movement in FA and then go for it

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[KillMonger]

Yeah, I'm personally in the boat that we are a surefire lock to finish as a bottom 5 team next year. The youth that we are going to be actively playing will ensure that much.

I would be 1000% shocked if guys like Ross/Harris were on this team past the trade deadline next year. Fultz by many advanced metrics has proven to be one of the worst starting guards in the league. I predict Isaac struggling a bit coming off a major injury and an increased role offensively.

Us being good next year is one of the last things I'm concerned about. We're going to add two more sub-20-year-olds to the rotation.

I think we need a poll for Magic posters only. LOL or is it too early because we dont know who we are picking and we dont know who we are signing?

Im one of those who think we are in the PO hunt next year and I know a lot think we are again in the tank wars ( to be honest the top prospects seems to be all big men(PF/C) which a lot here dont like ) so i dunno why we wanna tank

i guess i'm in the middle....i think we're not going to be bad enough to be one of the worst teams or good enough to make the playoffs....maybe the play-in....simply because for every wagner/iggy/bacon/ennis/randle that's playing this year will be replaced by better/much better options next season

[RookieStar]

Yeah, I'm personally in the boat that we are a surefire lock to finish as a bottom 5 team next year. The youth that we are going to be actively playing will ensure that much.

I would be 1000% shocked if guys like Ross/Harris were on this team past the trade deadline next year. Fultz by many advanced metrics has proven to be one of the worst starting guards in the league. I predict Isaac struggling a bit coming off a major injury and an increased role offensively.

Us being good next year is one of the last things I'm concerned about. We're going to add two more sub-20-year-olds to the rotation.

I think we need a poll for Magic posters only. LOL or is it too early because we dont know who we are picking and we dont know who we are signing?

Im one of those who think we are in the PO hunt next year and I know a lot think we are again in the tank wars ( to be honest the top prospects seems to be all big men(PF/C) which a lot here dont like ) so i dunno why we wanna tank

i guess i'm in the middle....i think we're not going to be bad enough to be one of the worst teams or good enough to make the playoffs....maybe the play-in....simply because for every wagner/iggy/bacon/ennis/randle that's playing this year will be replaced by better/much better options next season

TBH, I was just suspecting we werent gonna be that bad but in fact was going to be fighting for the play-ins ( if ever they continue that) But when I saw our tank team with chuck-cole leading them still fighting it out until half-way in the 4th quarter AGAINST teams that were fighting for the POs, I thought.. wow if we Harris Bacon and Wagner in this crunch time with our regular rotations of say MCW, Ross, JI I don't think they would have folded.. but maybe that's just fantasy lol.

[SOUL]

[axl_c_cool]

This is shocking

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[RookieStar]

Is it just me or i cant see what image you posted?

[GelbeWand09]

Combination of long 2's & avoiding corner 3's. Perfect tank job

[drsd]

No corner 3s. Lots of shooting in the least effective zone on the court; the 16-18-foot mid-range jumper. Wow this is bad.


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[zaymon]

No corner 3s. Lots of shooting in the least effective zone on the court; the 16-18-foot mid-range jumper. Wow this is bad.


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It looks like a slice of Bacon.

[drsd]

It looks like a slice of Bacon.

726 FGA; 40.2% on the 2-ball and 28.5% on the 3-ball. BUT: and here's a sentence I never thought I would write, Dwayne Bacon led the team in FTA. Not per game, but over the season, he was Mr. "get-to-the-line" as much as it says for Orlando. This bumped up Bacon;s eFG% to a (still horrible) 44.3%.

To be fair, Orlando had 6, SIX, guards with a worse seasonal eFG%: SSIIXX! : Karim Mané, Sindarius Thornwell, Markelle Fultz, Frank Mason, Gary Harris, and Michael Carter-Williams.

Let me restate that, Orlando had SEVEN guards with an eFG% below 45%. For perspective, Fournier was at an eFG% of 56% for his time with Orlando. Heck, Jordan Bone was at 52% !

Anyone that is interested in Mobley really, really needs to reflect on Orlando's guard inefficiencies.

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[Audi]

Seriously don’t care if we even sniff the playoffs next season, I’m just excited to see a new type of basketball being played even if it produces sub-par results in the short run.

[drsd]

Seriously don’t care if we even sniff the playoffs next season, I’m just excited to see a new type of basketball being played even if it produces sub-par results in the short run.

And where is the "Report This Post" button? Seriously though, if Orlando is playing a style that builds an identity, there is a collection of players that can and will grow together. Indeed Management has stuck its neck out on the cohort of players that is "owned" by Weltman/Hammond. If Orlando fails to make the playoffs in both of the next two years, they will be fired. The team is theirs and we fans can reasonably expect to see results from Fultz/Anthony/Hampton/Isaac/Okeke/Carter/Bamba/high_FRP/other_FRP. This team is all about those 9 players and whatever FA(s) is brought in in the 2022 off-season.

Rhetoric: can a title condenser be built around those 9 players? Management thinks so.


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[Bensational]

Seriously don’t care if we even sniff the playoffs next season, I’m just excited to see a new type of basketball being played even if it produces sub-par results in the short run.

And where is the "Report This Post" button? Seriously though, if Orlando is playing a style that builds an identity, there is a collection of players that can and will grow together. Indeed Management has stuck its neck out on the cohort of players that is "owned" by Weltman/Hammond. If Orlando fails to make the playoffs in both of the next two years, they will be fired. The team is theirs and we fans can reasonably expect to see results from Fultz/Anthony/Hampton/Isaac/Okeke/Carter/Bamba/high_FRP/other_FRP. This team is all about those 9 players and whatever FA(s) is brought in in the 2022 off-season.

Rhetoric: can a title condenser be built around those 9 players? Management thinks so.


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What?

I seriously struggle to interpret half the stuff you say.

[drsd]

What?

I seriously struggle to interpret half the stuff you say.

Management has now made their team: Fultz/Anthony/Hampton/Isaac/Okeke/Carter/Bamba/high_FRP/other_FRP; plus a named FA.

If those 9+1 do not produce results, Weltman and Hammond will be made unemployed after 2 more seasons.


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