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M-C-G wrote:Devin White is fast. Rodgers would have scored a TD or gotten to the 2 yard line at worst.
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sdn40 wrote:Reddeye wrote:hege53190 wrote:
Here is what I know. Aaron Rodgers was a 2 time LEAGUE WIDE MVP before those seasons. He was an MVP after those seasons. If you have to tell yourself he was on an unrecoverable decline in those seasons to justify managements decisions that led to the **** we find ourselves in now, then so be it.
Do you think Rodgers played well in 2018 and 2019?
Do you think MLF's offense and play calling should get much if any credit for Rodger's MVP season?
Grab a football and a hammer. Go outside. Hit your left knee with the hammer. Now throw the football. Let me know how that works for you
hege53190 wrote:M-C-G wrote:hege53190 wrote:
After I said that Rodgers wasn't that bad and point to Yards, TDs and INTs even with terrible WRs. The you say he was because of this ridiculous "bad play" notion. Which I would love to see how and who grades this.
Did you now use Yards, TDs and INT's to prove that Aaron played well with his ass hat of WRs? What about the bad plays? I mean in the 4 games on 150 drop backs he had to have at least 60 right?
What a joke.
So RS gave you the calculation for Bad plays and you either didn't read it or you just didn't like it, so which was it? Thought it laid it out pretty clearly.
I am beginning to think you either have too many arguments going on or you just aren't trying to even consider what is being presented because you just don't want to change your opinion which would be fine,.
RS gave me the "bad play" stat for the entire season. Your argument is for those 4 weeks. You used Yards, TDs and INTs to make your argument. Something you trashed earlier. Throwing out this bad play argument.
Again what constitutes a bad play and who judges it. Something as simple as MVS's 2020 dropped passes was off by 75% based on who perceived what happened. Rodgers missing an open receiver? What constitutes an open receiver? Rodgers was off target? How far does a ball have to be off to be considered off-target? At the end of the day there are a million judgement call variables by some armchair QB or team of armchair QBs broken down into one all encompassing stat.
But I am supposed to take some random websites calculation as the definitive source on QB play. Maybe he found it on the same website that **** up something as simple as when Rodgers contract started.
Here is what I know. Aaron Rodgers was a 2 time LEAGUE WIDE MVP before those seasons. He was an MVP after those seasons. If you have to tell yourself he was on an unrecoverable decline in those seasons to justify managements decisions that led to the **** we find ourselves in now, then so be it.
sdn40 wrote:M-C-G wrote:sdn40 wrote:
No - it didn't
WOAH, tone down the argument man!
If it was for that #3 pick, yeah, that was the time, depending on how likely you think it is he will be back in green bay. I think I was 75% sure he was out and now 50/50.
For the #3 pick and draft who exactly ?? Another over rated TE in Pitts ?? And check out what the Rodgers contract ramifications would have been. And trade him to an NFC team and worse yet S.F ?? Only xbox players think that would have been a good trade. In real life - not so much at all
sdn40 wrote:M-C-G wrote:Devin White is fast. Rodgers would have scored a TD or gotten to the 2 yard line at worst.
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This is based on you knowing the play and route progressions and all adjustments which dictate where Rodgers eyes are at --- of course. Please enlighten us. Or maybe Rodgers should have hit pause and then scanned the field and then hit resume, circle, triangle, square for super boost power and spin move ?
M-C-G wrote:sdn40 wrote:M-C-G wrote:Devin White is fast. Rodgers would have scored a TD or gotten to the 2 yard line at worst.
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This is based on you knowing the play and route progressions and all adjustments which dictate where Rodgers eyes are at --- of course. Please enlighten us. Or maybe Rodgers should have hit pause and then scanned the field and then hit resume, circle, triangle, square for super boost power and spin move ?
Oh a Madden reference everybody, come look, quick, it is a Madden reference!
Just watching Rodgers with my eyeballs his whole career and looking at about four different angles of the field.
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M-C-G wrote:hege53190 wrote:M-C-G wrote:
So RS gave you the calculation for Bad plays and you either didn't read it or you just didn't like it, so which was it? Thought it laid it out pretty clearly.
I am beginning to think you either have too many arguments going on or you just aren't trying to even consider what is being presented because you just don't want to change your opinion which would be fine,.
RS gave me the "bad play" stat for the entire season. Your argument is for those 4 weeks. You used Yards, TDs and INTs to make your argument. Something you trashed earlier. Throwing out this bad play argument.
Again what constitutes a bad play and who judges it. Something as simple as MVS's 2020 dropped passes was off by 75% based on who perceived what happened. Rodgers missing an open receiver? What constitutes an open receiver? Rodgers was off target? How far does a ball have to be off to be considered off-target? At the end of the day there are a million judgement call variables by some armchair QB or team of armchair QBs broken down into one all encompassing stat.
But I am supposed to take some random websites calculation as the definitive source on QB play. Maybe he found it on the same website that **** up something as simple as when Rodgers contract started.
Here is what I know. Aaron Rodgers was a 2 time LEAGUE WIDE MVP before those seasons. He was an MVP after those seasons. If you have to tell yourself he was on an unrecoverable decline in those seasons to justify managements decisions that led to the **** we find ourselves in now, then so be it.
Here is what I would say, you obviously don’t read what I write because you continually insert all sorts of opinions that I never made to me. We are getting nowhere here, I think largely because you aren’t considering my argument while I am at least considering yours, I just disagree, while you just do whatever you are doing, spewing might be the right word. No worries, we just disagree and probably never will on the topic. Let’s see what happens next
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hege53190 wrote:Reddeye wrote:hege53190 wrote:
Here is what I know. Aaron Rodgers was a 2 time LEAGUE WIDE MVP before those seasons. He was an MVP after those seasons. If you have to tell yourself he was on an unrecoverable decline in those seasons to justify managements decisions that led to the **** we find ourselves in now, then so be it.
Do you think Rodgers played well in 2018 and 2019?
Do you think MLF's offense and play calling should get much if any credit for Rodger's MVP season?
1.) Yes
2.) MLF had a good offensive scheme. Sure. It is good to play in an offensive system that makes a QBs job easier. I don't think MLF had some revolutionary offense.
I think it would be much easier to get Rodgers to play that well in a number of NFL systems than to find a QB that could duplicate what Rodgers did in MLFs system.
He grew up in Cali. She may have had some influence butI bet his preferred teams would be pretty similar if she wasn't around.Reddeye wrote:I thought I read his fiance has homes in Colorado and California. Probably just a coincidence that the trade teams mentioned were 49ers, Raiders and Broncos.
Reddeye wrote:hege53190 wrote:Reddeye wrote:
Do you think Rodgers played well in 2018 and 2019?
Do you think MLF's offense and play calling should get much if any credit for Rodger's MVP season?
1.) Yes
2.) MLF had a good offensive scheme. Sure. It is good to play in an offensive system that makes a QBs job easier. I don't think MLF had some revolutionary offense.
I think it would be much easier to get Rodgers to play that well in a number of NFL systems than to find a QB that could duplicate what Rodgers did in MLFs system.
Were you for keeping Favre and trading Rodgers in 2008?
hege53190 wrote:M-C-G wrote:hege53190 wrote:
RS gave me the "bad play" stat for the entire season. Your argument is for those 4 weeks. You used Yards, TDs and INTs to make your argument. Something you trashed earlier. Throwing out this bad play argument.
Again what constitutes a bad play and who judges it. Something as simple as MVS's 2020 dropped passes was off by 75% based on who perceived what happened. Rodgers missing an open receiver? What constitutes an open receiver? Rodgers was off target? How far does a ball have to be off to be considered off-target? At the end of the day there are a million judgement call variables by some armchair QB or team of armchair QBs broken down into one all encompassing stat.
But I am supposed to take some random websites calculation as the definitive source on QB play. Maybe he found it on the same website that **** up something as simple as when Rodgers contract started.
Here is what I know. Aaron Rodgers was a 2 time LEAGUE WIDE MVP before those seasons. He was an MVP after those seasons. If you have to tell yourself he was on an unrecoverable decline in those seasons to justify managements decisions that led to the **** we find ourselves in now, then so be it.
Here is what I would say, you obviously don’t read what I write because you continually insert all sorts of opinions that I never made to me. We are getting nowhere here, I think largely because you aren’t considering my argument while I am at least considering yours, I just disagree, while you just do whatever you are doing, spewing might be the right word. No worries, we just disagree and probably never will on the topic. Let’s see what happens next
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You are right, we won't agree. So please stop responding to my posts.
M-C-G wrote:hege53190 wrote:M-C-G wrote:
Here is what I would say, you obviously don’t read what I write because you continually insert all sorts of opinions that I never made to me. We are getting nowhere here, I think largely because you aren’t considering my argument while I am at least considering yours, I just disagree, while you just do whatever you are doing, spewing might be the right word. No worries, we just disagree and probably never will on the topic. Let’s see what happens next
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You are right, we won't agree. So please stop responding to my posts.
You do know you could just stop responding to mine too right?
hege53190 wrote:M-C-G wrote:hege53190 wrote:You are right, we won't agree. So please stop responding to my posts.
You do know you could just stop responding to mine too right?
Sure but you engage me. Not the other way around. Stop. I will try to put you on the list with other posters like David Dunn that are not worth my time to respond to. Good luck with your thoughts.
sdn40 wrote:M-C-G wrote:sdn40 wrote:
This is based on you knowing the play and route progressions and all adjustments which dictate where Rodgers eyes are at --- of course. Please enlighten us. Or maybe Rodgers should have hit pause and then scanned the field and then hit resume, circle, triangle, square for super boost power and spin move ?
Oh a Madden reference everybody, come look, quick, it is a Madden reference!
Just watching Rodgers with my eyeballs his whole career and looking at about four different angles of the field.
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Internet QB's who look at photos and scream about open receivers or running lanes --- yeah totally Madden based, and probably never even stood on a football field, much less experienced the mass hysteria that happens on every play. Pretty much a dead giveaway. Zero concept of what the field of vision peripherally is when standing on the 10 yard line of a 50 yard wide field, much less the eye discipline of the NFL playbook. But as you said - you've watched Rodgers his whole career (wow amazing) - so you're the expert.
For those that really wonder - go stand on the 10 yard line at your local high school field and realize the exact field of view and what it takes to see pylon to pylon.
Now try the impossible. Comprehend 4 seconds filled with a drop back, scrambling, reading the defense, route progressions, adjustments, avoiding a sack, throwing lanes, defenders crossing your field of view, keeping track of the original line of scrimmage, likely scramble drill. All while knowing ahead of time that all defenders who are faster than you are gonna be within 6 yards of the goal line at most. Then some random internet dudes from the comfort of their la z boy says you should have run it in on the far right - per a photo signifying a millisecond of time and space - likely outside your field of view as you were tracking WR's on the inside per the unwritten QB rules that far into the play (angles, cross body, open body, shallow sideline throws with sitting cb's etc etc).
stillgotgame wrote:sdn40 wrote:M-C-G wrote:
Oh a Madden reference everybody, come look, quick, it is a Madden reference!
Just watching Rodgers with my eyeballs his whole career and looking at about four different angles of the field.
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Internet QB's who look at photos and scream about open receivers or running lanes --- yeah totally Madden based, and probably never even stood on a football field, much less experienced the mass hysteria that happens on every play. Pretty much a dead giveaway. Zero concept of what the field of vision peripherally is when standing on the 10 yard line of a 50 yard wide field, much less the eye discipline of the NFL playbook. But as you said - you've watched Rodgers his whole career (wow amazing) - so you're the expert.
For those that really wonder - go stand on the 10 yard line at your local high school field and realize the exact field of view and what it takes to see pylon to pylon.
Now try the impossible. Comprehend 4 seconds filled with a drop back, scrambling, reading the defense, route progressions, adjustments, avoiding a sack, throwing lanes, defenders crossing your field of view, keeping track of the original line of scrimmage, likely scramble drill. All while knowing ahead of time that all defenders who are faster than you are gonna be within 6 yards of the goal line at most. Then some random internet dudes from the comfort of their la z boy says you should have run it in on the far right - per a photo signifying a millisecond of time and space - likely outside your field of view as you were tracking WR's on the inside per the unwritten QB rules that far into the play (angles, cross body, open body, shallow sideline throws with sitting cb's etc etc).
And another guy in a lazy boy thinks a QB who ran a high school level spread offense in college would've done better.
M-C-G wrote:stillgotgame wrote:sdn40 wrote:
Internet QB's who look at photos and scream about open receivers or running lanes --- yeah totally Madden based, and probably never even stood on a football field, much less experienced the mass hysteria that happens on every play. Pretty much a dead giveaway. Zero concept of what the field of vision peripherally is when standing on the 10 yard line of a 50 yard wide field, much less the eye discipline of the NFL playbook. But as you said - you've watched Rodgers his whole career (wow amazing) - so you're the expert.
For those that really wonder - go stand on the 10 yard line at your local high school field and realize the exact field of view and what it takes to see pylon to pylon.
Now try the impossible. Comprehend 4 seconds filled with a drop back, scrambling, reading the defense, route progressions, adjustments, avoiding a sack, throwing lanes, defenders crossing your field of view, keeping track of the original line of scrimmage, likely scramble drill. All while knowing ahead of time that all defenders who are faster than you are gonna be within 6 yards of the goal line at most. Then some random internet dudes from the comfort of their la z boy says you should have run it in on the far right - per a photo signifying a millisecond of time and space - likely outside your field of view as you were tracking WR's on the inside per the unwritten QB rules that far into the play (angles, cross body, open body, shallow sideline throws with sitting cb's etc etc).
And another guy in a lazy boy thinks a QB who ran a high school level spread offense in college would've done better.
And a lazy boy that has watched the QB make that play about a thousand times over the last decade ask the question, why not now?
stillgotgame wrote:
You're right, he should have. But that was one play. Others dropped TD passes, fumbled, shouldn't they be responsible? Are we trading them?
Rodgers is the best player on the team. The group of guys on here wanting him gone have no clue how bad we're going to be without him. Mr. five yard out will be lucky to beat out Blake friggin' Bortles.
Do you propose we tank next year, instead of compete for a trophy?
stillgotgame wrote:M-C-G wrote:stillgotgame wrote:
And another guy in a lazy boy thinks a QB who ran a high school level spread offense in college would've done better.
And a lazy boy that has watched the QB make that play about a thousand times over the last decade ask the question, why not now?
You're right, he should have. But that was one play. Others dropped TD passes, fumbled, shouldn't they be responsible? Are we trading them?
Rodgers is the best player on the team. The group of guys on here wanting him gone have no clue how bad we're going to be without him. Mr. five yard out will be lucky to beat out Blake friggin' Bortles.
Do you propose we tank next year, instead of compete for a trophy?