Wiggins or Siakam
Moderators: Sleepy51, Chris Porter's Hair, floppymoose
Wiggins or Siakam
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,626
- And1: 3,411
- Joined: May 28, 2004
Wiggins or Siakam
Grant on the Warriors insiders has a H.O. for bringing in Pascal Siakam. He's like "versatile defender...great slasher...and if he get's his 3 point % up to 38% "Like Wiggins" he'd be great! Probably have to give up Wiggins and draft picks but....
So...hmmm...6'8" guy....versatile defender....maybe shoots 38-40%....great slasher.
WE FRICKEN ALREADY HAVE HIM!!!!!
Question: Who is better (more valuable) to the Warriors: Wiggins or Siakam?
EDIT- adding 2021 main stats here:
From 2021
PS - 22pts, 7 rbs, 4 assists - 45% from 2 and 29% from 3 (prior year shot 35% from 3)
AW - 18 pts, 5 rbs, 2 assists - 47% from 2 and 38% from 3
So...hmmm...6'8" guy....versatile defender....maybe shoots 38-40%....great slasher.
WE FRICKEN ALREADY HAVE HIM!!!!!
Question: Who is better (more valuable) to the Warriors: Wiggins or Siakam?
EDIT- adding 2021 main stats here:
From 2021
PS - 22pts, 7 rbs, 4 assists - 45% from 2 and 29% from 3 (prior year shot 35% from 3)
AW - 18 pts, 5 rbs, 2 assists - 47% from 2 and 38% from 3
2021/22 - The return of the Ring.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Senior
- Posts: 540
- And1: 821
- Joined: May 11, 2021
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
Siakam and it’s not even close
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- and1GS
- RealGM
- Posts: 25,383
- And1: 2,726
- Joined: Nov 12, 2008
- Location: home of 4x champs, 1x AS starter, supporter of checkbook wins and all-time weakest moves
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
My gut says yes but honestly I have barely seen Pascal play in a year. How's he looking these days?
"The dynasty doesn't start with you, it starts after you"
KevinMcreynolds wrote:hopefully JK laid some pipe on the strip as well, gotta get those reps in
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- Onus
- RealGM
- Posts: 18,861
- And1: 5,264
- Joined: May 12, 2008
- Location: NOA
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
We need to get OG in any Siakam trade
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- marthafokker
- General Manager
- Posts: 7,836
- And1: 830
- Joined: Jul 13, 2004
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
If I have to pay, Wiggins easy.
Siakam is paid more than most superstars and more years than Wiggins.
So if I have to pay... Wiggins by a light year.
Siakam is paid more than most superstars and more years than Wiggins.
So if I have to pay... Wiggins by a light year.
TB wrote:
We finally have a team for Nellie.... bring the old drunk back.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- Chris Porter's Hair
- Forum Mod - Warriors
- Posts: 8,732
- And1: 3,567
- Joined: Jul 09, 2004
- Location: San Mateo, CA
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
I like Wiggins, but I'd say Siakam is the much better player. However:
1) I know Siakam backslid this year, but I didn't get to watch him much, so I have no idea why/how, or how much to worry about it
2) I'm pretty sure we'd need to pay on top of Wiggins to get him, and what else we had to pay would be a big determinant
1) I know Siakam backslid this year, but I didn't get to watch him much, so I have no idea why/how, or how much to worry about it
2) I'm pretty sure we'd need to pay on top of Wiggins to get him, and what else we had to pay would be a big determinant
crzyyafrican makes the best sigs, quite frankly
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Rookie
- Posts: 1,052
- And1: 767
- Joined: Apr 22, 2021
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
I mean, can Siakim play the 3?
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,901
- And1: 1,023
- Joined: Jun 24, 2018
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
Wiggins, like Klay, seems fine not being THE man with a team. I'm not sure Siakam fits that model.
If playing his best Siakam makes sense I think, but it's not near the slam dunk it looked like it would be 2 years ago.
If playing his best Siakam makes sense I think, but it's not near the slam dunk it looked like it would be 2 years ago.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Starter
- Posts: 2,499
- And1: 790
- Joined: Jul 02, 2019
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
Whoever trades for Siakam will be doing Toronto a favor. Boucher is already poised to take Siakam's spot for a fraction of the cost. Who would you rather have...Siakam for 3 years / $105 million or Boucher for 1 year / $7 million?
GSWFan1994 wrote:I saw signs of David Robinson, Anthony Davis, Chris Bosh & Kevin Garnett while watching Wiseman.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- GSWFan1994
- Head Coach
- Posts: 7,137
- And1: 14,375
- Joined: Oct 31, 2006
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
One on one it's Siakam, though not by much.
Siakam would have to play the 3 here, and I don't know if this is the right spot for him.
Plus, to get him you'd have to pay anything extra, which isn't necessarily enticing for me.
Simply stay put with Wiggins, I think.
Siakam would have to play the 3 here, and I don't know if this is the right spot for him.
Plus, to get him you'd have to pay anything extra, which isn't necessarily enticing for me.
Simply stay put with Wiggins, I think.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Bench Warmer
- Posts: 1,416
- And1: 437
- Joined: Sep 25, 2018
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
I like siakam, but not in place of wiggins (plus another asset, because siakam for wiggins straight up is not in the realm of possibilities).
He's not a 3, he's a 4, so he would make sense only in place of draymond (plus, again, another asset becuase, again, siakam for green straight up is not in the realm of possibilities).
He's not a 3, he's a 4, so he would make sense only in place of draymond (plus, again, another asset becuase, again, siakam for green straight up is not in the realm of possibilities).
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 15,168
- And1: 3,745
- Joined: May 21, 2004
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
I like the closing lineup of:
Steph, Poole, Klay, Siakam, Dray more than:
Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Poole/JTA, Dray
So for that reason, I’d be in favor of making that swap. BUT, I would not want to give up much value cause I have some doubts about any lineup where we have Siakam at SF.
Steph, Poole, Klay, Siakam, Dray more than:
Steph, Klay, Wiggins, Poole/JTA, Dray
So for that reason, I’d be in favor of making that swap. BUT, I would not want to give up much value cause I have some doubts about any lineup where we have Siakam at SF.
LF75 wrote: It was a dumb idea..And yes I'm a dick.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,901
- And1: 1,023
- Joined: Jun 24, 2018
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
Wouldn't it be nice if Nunn and Boucher were still on the Warriors?
The NBA needs to expand rosters. Every team could have 5 2-way slots and it would be better for everybody.
The NBA needs to expand rosters. Every team could have 5 2-way slots and it would be better for everybody.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- FNQ
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 62,963
- And1: 20,007
- Joined: Jul 16, 2006
- Location: EOL 6/23
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
"A first round pick" is super general and really makes a huge difference here.
The MIN 1st? No
The GS 2021 1st? Maybe
Future 1st? Probably
The MIN 1st? No
The GS 2021 1st? Maybe
Future 1st? Probably
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 14,626
- And1: 3,411
- Joined: May 28, 2004
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
Currygoat wrote:Siakam and it’s not even close
From 2021
PS - 22pts, 7 rbs, 4 assists - 45% from 2 and 29% from 3 (prior year shot 35% from 3)
AW - 18 pts, 5 rbs, 2 assists - 47% from 2 and 38% from 3
Not even close?
2021/22 - The return of the Ring.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,901
- And1: 1,023
- Joined: Jun 24, 2018
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
ILOVEIT wrote:Currygoat wrote:Siakam and it’s not even close
From 2021
PS - 22pts, 7 rbs, 4 assists - 45% from 2 and 29% from 3 (prior year shot 35% from 3)
AW - 18 pts, 5 rbs, 2 assists - 47% from 2 and 38% from 3
Not even close?
Per 36 and Per 100 stats make it look even closer.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=siakapa01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=wiggian01&p2yrfrom=2021
What surprised me is that Wiggins is younger than Siakam.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- FNQ
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 62,963
- And1: 20,007
- Joined: Jul 16, 2006
- Location: EOL 6/23
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
ILOVEIT wrote:Currygoat wrote:Siakam and it’s not even close
From 2021
PS - 22pts, 7 rbs, 4 assists - 45% from 2 and 29% from 3 (prior year shot 35% from 3)
AW - 18 pts, 5 rbs, 2 assists - 47% from 2 and 38% from 3
Not even close?
Counting stats is a horrible way to evaluate a player. Fans from a team that featured Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette should know this..
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,270
- And1: 1,693
- Joined: Jun 17, 2004
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
Only thing about Siakam is we would have Green, Siakam, and Paschall who all play power forward. Who plays small forward? Does Green or Siakam move to center? I don’t think Siakam can play small forward. Wiggins can guard 1-4. I don’t think Siakam has the hip wiggle to chase two guards off screens or get low enough to guard point guards.
I am cool with Wiggins taking the tough perimeter assignment, he’s got great conditioning, he’s young, fast, athletic. Thompson now taking the second best perimeter guy or wing, and Curry taking the lesser of the perimeter players.
I am cool with Wiggins taking the tough perimeter assignment, he’s got great conditioning, he’s young, fast, athletic. Thompson now taking the second best perimeter guy or wing, and Curry taking the lesser of the perimeter players.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- FNQ
- Retired Mod
- Posts: 62,963
- And1: 20,007
- Joined: Jul 16, 2006
- Location: EOL 6/23
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
DAWill1128 wrote:Only thing about Siakam is we would have Green, Siakam, and Paschall who all play power forward. Who plays small forward? Does Green or Siakam move to center? I don’t think Siakam can play small forward. Wiggins can guard 1-4. I don’t think Siakam has the hip wiggle to chase two guards off screens or get low enough to guard point guards.
I am cool with Wiggins taking the tough perimeter assignment, he’s got great conditioning, he’s young, fast, athletic. Thompson now taking the second best perimeter guy or wing, and Curry taking the lesser of the perimeter players.
Im not a huge fan of bringing Siakam in TBH but positionless basketball works in every way.. if we did swap Wiggins for Siakam, we could make it work.
I'd also argue against the idea that Wiggins can competently guard 4s. Also against the idea that Siakam isnt as versatile - he's a damned impressive defender.
But my issue is more that it doesnt really address any weaknesses we have, while likely costing more additional capital to make the trade. Assuming we werent making any other big deals (meaning this happens right before the start of next season), I'd entertain the idea of Wiggins for Siakam for a future 1st, but I really doubt TOR wants to make that happen. They had to deal with DeRozan already, and then trade for Wiggins a couple years later? Cant see Masai doing that.
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
- cpower
- RealGM
- Posts: 18,553
- And1: 7,164
- Joined: Mar 03, 2011
Re: Wiggins or Siakam
we have 3 issues. toughness(rebounding), playmaking, shootings
does Siakam address these issues? he is a better rebounder but thats pretty much it. we have to look at what we are missing and go for the right pieces
does Siakam address these issues? he is a better rebounder but thats pretty much it. we have to look at what we are missing and go for the right pieces
Return to Golden State Warriors