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Re: Coaching search 

Post#141 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:43 am

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pepe1991 wrote:Most hilarious excuse he was doing during his stint for Bucks was that he kept blaming on "young roster" for underachiving, but among 8 rotation players, 6 were 26 or older, including 40 years old Jayson Terry and 32 years old Teletovic.

Those Milwaukee teams under Hammond stunk though, as you’ve pointed out before. Maybe not that young but still bad roster construction. I don’t think he really needs an excuse for the underachieving.

Whatever it was there's also the rumors in Brooklyn and Milwaukee that he tried to oust GMs for more power. Although considering Hammond is in Orlando and they're interviewing him may be it was blown out of proportion, or perhaps someone is going above WeHam and forcing them to interview him. WHo really knows. The main thing people talk about when discussing his coaching tenure is how players like him. Look, its good if the players like a coach obviously but it cant be the sole reason to hire him. He has to be able to coach and I dont think he's shown more than guys like Atkinson or Vanterpool. Seems like a publicity stunt to get attention.
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Re: Coaching search 

Post#142 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:47 am

MagicMatic wrote:The more I think about it the more I want it to be Atkinson or Vanterpool.

Those two have already proven that they can develop talent at some point in their careers.

Hammon would be a “splashy” hire for PR, but does her starting job really need to be with a super young roster without an established go-to player? Not ideal.

Kenny’s stint in Brooklyn from 2016-2019 was a pretty good indication that he’s capable of getting the most out of a young group in a relatively short timeframe.

Vanterpool gets praises from Lillard and McCollum for his contributions in Portland.



Basically my thoughts exactly.

I’m in Texas so I have a better idea of Hammon’s coaching style than say Billups or Cassell. If we go that direction I wouldn’t be upset, I just don’t know enough about them as coaches to evaluate them fairly right now.

I am NOT interested in Kidd or Stotts.
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Re: Coaching search 

Post#143 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:54 am

Maybe we'll have some Ham and Bacon next season, then Cade can bring the sauce.

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Re: Coaching search 

Post#144 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:40 am

If you like Vanterpool, there's no reason to not like Unseld Jr.

Similar age, track records and backgrounds.

Here's what ESPN said about him their head coaching candidate articles the last two years.

From 2021

A cerebral, meticulous coach whose profile on the Denver bench has broadened each season, Unseld finished as a strong runner-up in Chicago last offseason and will undoubtedly be on the short list of future openings.

From 2020

Many talented assistant coaches understand the value of networking and visibility, be it schmoozing pregame, fraternizing at camps or working the media. Then you have those who shy away from self-promotion and just do the job. Count Wes Unseld Jr. among that group. The 15-year assistant who oversees the defense for the Denver Nuggets is finally beginning to attract attention for his combination of steadiness, smarts and empathy. Growing up around the NBA and his work for a variety of head coaches has given him a firm understanding of the dynamics that drive staffs and organizations. He may not be the firebrand his boss Michael Malone is -- but these days that's an asset, especially with veteran rosters.

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"He is one of the hardest working people I’ve come across in this league and he has been an integral part of my coaching staff since we both arrived in Denver in 2015. I've said it many times over the years that Wes is ready and deserving of a head coaching position in the NBA and it's only a matter of time until that day comes." – Nuggets head coach Mike Malone
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Re: Coaching search 

Post#145 » by shadrock » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:24 am

MagicMatic wrote:The more I think about it the more I want it to be Atkinson or Vanterpool.

Those two have already proven that they can develop talent at some point in their careers.

Hammon would be a “splashy” hire for PR, but does her starting job really need to be with a super young roster without an established go-to player? Not ideal.

Kenny’s stint in Brooklyn from 2016-2019 was a pretty good indication that he’s capable of getting the most out of a young group in a relatively short timeframe.

Vanterpool gets praises from Lillard and McCollum for his contributions in Portland.


If Hammon is the PR move, that Hammon will be the coach. This ownership group are almost solely motivated by PR moves. Sad but true.
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Re: Coaching search 

Post#146 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:27 am

Unseld Jr. has gotten several interviews over the last two hiring cycles, including 3 last year.

He interviewed with...

Cleveland in 2019 (job went to John Beilein)
LA Clippers in 2020 (job went to Ty Lue)
Chicago in 2020 (job went to Billy Donovan)
Houston in 2020 (job went to Stephan Silas)

“I love him. I talk to him a lot, even outside of basketball. I love him as a person, as a coach. Me and him have kind of a similar mindset. We don’t need to say that much. … I really love the communication, the relationship that we have. It’s fun. We are helping each other.” - NBA MVP Nikola Jokic on his relationship with Unseld Jr.

Sure seems like this is the time if he's going to get a job.
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Re: Coaching search 

Post#147 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:34 am

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pepe1991 wrote:Most hilarious excuse he was doing during his stint for Bucks was that he kept blaming on "young roster" for underachiving, but among 8 rotation players, 6 were 26 or older, including 40 years old Jayson Terry and 32 years old Teletovic.


This feels very lazy to point out that his final year the main rotation was over 26, he was only the coach of that team for half the season and there were changes made to the team that off season

and PS, 40 year old Jason Terry is not a good thing

His first year, there was 12 different guys that started atleast 10 games and the average age of those 12 was 24
also this team had a second year Giannis, who wasnt the giannis of today.

His 2nd year on the bucks, the starting lineup was

c - Greg Monroe aged 25
PF - Jabari Parker aged 20
SF - Giannis aged 20
sg - Khris Middleton aged 24
pg - Michael Carter Williams aged 24

His 3rd year

C - John Henson - aged 26
Pf - Jabari aged 21 (as usual missed 31 games), backup was 19 year old Thon Maker
SF - Giannis, 22
sg - Tony Snell 25 (middleton only played 20 games)
Pg - Malcom Brogdon for half the season, 24... but he was a 24 year old rookie 2nd round pick, the rest of the year was 26 year old Delladova


So yeah....he was in charge of a very young team for most of his tenure there


“I think when you, you know, become 25 or, you know, in the 28 range, you tend to think about the game. We’re talking about kids, that are thinking about trying to put the ball in the basket. And, they all believe they can do it, and until we can think about being a team and making a play and being unselfish, you know, good things happen and we’ve seen it.”

January 18, 2018.

But blaming players because they are under 25 is unprecedented. In fact, only three rotation players — Giannis Antetokounmpo, Thon Maker, and Rashad Vaughn — are under 25. Kidd also relieved the coaching staff from any responsibility regarding the young players’ decision-making.

Nobody blamed him for sucking in year one or two. But after 4 years team showed no progress whatsoever in W- L column.
When he was fired, during 2017-18 season, Joe Prunty, intrum coach, won more games than he did with pretty much same group of guys.

Also praising guy for playing young players to me is absurd. It's not like you have to be amazing coach to put young players on the floor, you can find guy from street to do so.

In addition main reason why he played so many young players is fact that they kept too many draft picks that were simply poor talents.

John Henson- their former lottery pick - flop
Thon Maker- former lottery pick- flop
Vaughn-- 17 pick- flop
MCW- former 10# pick ( traded for him )
Tyler Ennis- former 18 # pick

+ Greg Monroe (biggest FA siging in Bucks history at times ) AND Miles Plumlee were eating crazy amount of their salary due Hammond's incompetence.
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Post#148 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:14 pm

Knightro wrote:Unseld Jr. has gotten several interviews over the last two hiring cycles, including 3 last year.

He interviewed with...

Cleveland in 2019 (job went to John Beilein)
LA Clippers in 2020 (job went to Ty Lue)
Chicago in 2020 (job went to Billy Donovan)
Houston in 2020 (job went to Stephan Silas)

“I love him. I talk to him a lot, even outside of basketball. I love him as a person, as a coach. Me and him have kind of a similar mindset. We don’t need to say that much. … I really love the communication, the relationship that we have. It’s fun. We are helping each other.” - NBA MVP Nikola Jokic on his relationship with Unseld Jr.

Sure seems like this is the time if he's going to get a job.
great find. I’m on board. Had no clue he was even a candidate.
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Post#149 » by thelead » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:21 pm

SVG is now available :lol:
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Post#150 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:50 pm

Read on Twitter
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The Pelicans job is going to be attractive to top coaching candidates. If Orlando has their eye on someone in particular they might want to strike soon.
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Post#151 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:02 pm

Add the Wizards to the list of coaching vacancies. That makes it Orlando, Portland, Boston, Indiana, New Orleans, and Washington. I think New Orleans is the most appealing vacancy with Boston a close second. Orlando can shoot up those rankings depending on how they do in the lottery on Tuesday. Coming into a team with Scottie Barnes as opposed to Cade Cunningham are two very different jobs.
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Post#152 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:03 pm

Also, if the Magic are letting Clifford go, then there's no chance in hell SVG is becoming the next coach of the Magic.
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Post#153 » by ChosenSavior » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:38 pm

Bud will be next on the chopping block if Milwaukee can't get past Brooklyn.
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Post#154 » by Bergmaniac » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:55 pm

I hope we don't see Scott Brooks now, LOL. But it won't surprise me.
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Post#155 » by 89Magicfan » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:06 pm

Welp...Just got even more interesting
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Post#156 » by CZ Eddie » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:14 pm

Bring back Stan!

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31644683/sources-stan-van-gundy-one-season-new-orleans-pelicans

Can't believe he left that cushy broadcasting job only to get fired after one year in New Orleans.
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Post#157 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:17 pm

If we don’t land a top 3 pick, this job is not going to attract a top candidate.

If that wasn’t already the case, it is now. Better and better jobs keep opening up.
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Post#158 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:26 pm

We don't need an old coach, we need a younger guy that can relate to the players. Jacque Vaughn wasn't a good example, because he seemed like a bad communicator, based off his interviews.

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Post#159 » by tiderulz » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:29 pm

ChosenSavior wrote:Bud will be next on the chopping block if Milwaukee can't get past Brooklyn.

especially the way that game ended last night
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Post#160 » by jezzerinho » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:30 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:If we don’t land a top 3 pick, this job is not going to attract a top candidate.

If that wasn’t already the case, it is now. Better and better jobs keep opening up.


Better jobs but also more candidates...

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