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2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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Post#561 » by Ell Curry » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:38 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:I have a feeling it will be a Lowry for Porzingis sign and trade.

Seems like the kind of risk worth taking. 25, 3 years left on his deal, is a position of need, and is a high risk high reward type of guy. Seems like the kind of player who would prefer playing in our everyone eats kind of offence.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Pascal/Kristaps is a solid starting 5


It is a solid lineup if everything works, but I don't see Masai going for it unless we get picks.
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Post#562 » by ItsDanger » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:40 pm

Watching many games during playoffs, these other teams are grossly overrated. So many choke jobs. If we get that one scorer, we're back in contention. Next week lottery will provide more clarity about potential moves going forward but I don't think we're that far off.
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Post#563 » by douggood » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:46 pm

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and can we stop including 2021 frp in s&t offers, the draft happens before free agency, i guess we can trade for the rookie lakers choose to draft.


Of course S&Ts informally agreed by the teams can fall apart - as we saw with Bogdonovic last fall. But at the deadline the teams were already talking about Lowry's salary next year, so the terms of the sign and trade could already have been agreed to.

And Raps wouldn't do it without a draft pick. If Lakers and Raptors can agree on a pick at #22, then Lakers can make the selection and trade the signing rights as part of the Lowry deal two weeks later.

its illegal like the bogdonvic signing last fall, the league was going to block that s&t if it were going to happen, but since bogdonvic bailed on it, the league fined and took away a draft pick from the bucks.
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Post#564 » by BramptonYute » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:12 pm

Trade for Zion.
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Post#565 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:54 pm

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Post#566 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:58 pm

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Zion is one of the very few players I would trade OG for. Who would mesh with Zion's game more - OG or Pascal?

But honest, the league has to start giving the Pels some room to breath. They've got talent on the team, and a lot of draft capital. They should be able get it together.
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Post#567 » by Raptors_128 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:18 pm

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This is so dumb. You were a #1 pick and teams picking #1 are usually bad teams. The man barely played 2 seasons and there’s already reports of him wanting out. I get being frustrated with a bad front office over time but, this dude has barely played in the league.

Small market teams aren’t just farm teams for the big markets. Player empowerment has gone too far imo.
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Post#568 » by Bruin » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:19 pm

If we don’t move up in the lottery and stay at 7, I wonder if a deal with the Knicks for RJ could be entertained
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Post#569 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:25 pm

PrinceAli wrote:If we don’t move up in the lottery and stay at 7, I wonder if a deal with the Knicks for RJ could be entertained


He's mediocre at best don't worry about that
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Post#570 » by agkagk » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:31 pm

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This is so dumb. You were a #1 pick and teams picking #1 are usually bad teams. The man barely played 2 seasons and there’s already reports of him wanting out. I get being frustrated with a bad front office over time but, this dude has barely played in the league.

Small market teams aren’t just farm teams for the big markets. Player empowerment has gone too far imo.



I bet him and lonzo have been discussing getting a place together in los angeles all season :lol:
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Post#571 » by Bruin » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:49 pm

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:If we don’t move up in the lottery and stay at 7, I wonder if a deal with the Knicks for RJ could be entertained


He's mediocre at best don't worry about that

I’d take a shot at our development system with him if we were picking 7th
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Post#572 » by tecumseh18 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:48 pm

Raptors_128 wrote:
This is so dumb. You were a #1 pick and teams picking #1 are usually bad teams. The man barely played 2 seasons and there’s already reports of him wanting out. I get being frustrated with a bad front office over time but, this dude has barely played in the league.

Small market teams aren’t just farm teams for the big markets. Player empowerment has gone too far imo.


Cade is also manifesting this attitude. He wants/expects to be first overall, but he wants to be on a playoff team. It's particularly stupid, because staying in the hight lottery a few more seasons helps to get more high-end talent and help your team's chances.

Guys didn't used to go ring chasing until they were in their 30s. Kareem was younger than that, but at least he won a championship with the Bucks before demanding out.
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Post#573 » by Blood Orange » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:00 am

Small trade

GSW in: Lowry (S&T) + Boucher
GSW out: Wiseman + Wiggins

Raps in: Wiseman + Wiggins
Raps out: Lowry (S&T) + Boucher


Why for the Raps?
Raps look towards the future to bring in a young prospective center in Wiseman to add to their younger core but have to endure Wiggin's contract in the process.

Why for GSW?
GSW maximizes Curry's championship window and picks up a title winner in Lowry, who can play off ball and also is a capable playmaker for the offence, as well as a super efficient Boucher who can stretch the floor and provide some rim protection on the defensive side for their front court.

Why for Lowry?
Lowry gets a real shot at winning another title by going to a contender in the west and also, gets paid of course.
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Post#574 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:02 am

Ell Curry wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:I have a feeling it will be a Lowry for Porzingis sign and trade.

Seems like the kind of risk worth taking. 25, 3 years left on his deal, is a position of need, and is a high risk high reward type of guy. Seems like the kind of player who would prefer playing in our everyone eats kind of offence.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Pascal/Kristaps is a solid starting 5


It is a solid lineup if everything works, but I don't see Masai going for it unless we get picks.

What will be the tax implications if raps do trade for porzingis
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Post#575 » by douggood » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:48 am

AkelaLoneWolf wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
YogurtProducer wrote:I have a feeling it will be a Lowry for Porzingis sign and trade.

Seems like the kind of risk worth taking. 25, 3 years left on his deal, is a position of need, and is a high risk high reward type of guy. Seems like the kind of player who would prefer playing in our everyone eats kind of offence.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Pascal/Kristaps is a solid starting 5


It is a solid lineup if everything works, but I don't see Masai going for it unless we get picks.

What will be the tax implications if raps do trade for porzingis

4 players (og/pascal/fvv/KP) add up to 100ish for next season
1st round pick will range from 6-10$mil
Boucher 7mil
GT 15mil

those 7 players alone put up at 130 mil, tax is 132ish

then add in flynn/yuta/bembry/gillesppe + roster fillers (jalen harris etc)
have the option of using MLE but will probably pass on it cause that will push us 20 mil into tax.

we will be have to be in tax or let gary trent go, and for the next 3 years, will have the tax headache every year.

In other words raptors are not trading for KP.

if the mavs want lowry they can just sign him they have cap space. If josh richardson opts out they can sign lowry and resign tim hardaway, if josh richardson opts in they can choose between lowry and tim hardaway or have to create 8-9 mil cap space by trading off maxi kleber or dwight powell and then keep josh richardson/hardaway and still have room to sign lowry.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#576 » by Son Goku 25 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:55 am

ItsDanger wrote:Watching many games during playoffs, these other teams are grossly overrated. So many choke jobs. If we get that one scorer, we're back in contention. Next week lottery will provide more clarity about potential moves going forward but I don't think we're that far off.


I agree, I was thinking the same thing. I just hope our remaining vets stay like Lowry. Our championship defense and coaching gives us an edge against a lot of these teams.
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Post#577 » by VanWest82 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:47 pm

How about Lowry S&T for Porzingis? (edit: apparently yogurtproducer beat me to it)

He’d be a really good fit with Siakam and it sounds like Dallas could use some leadership in their locker room.
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Post#578 » by Bruin » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:54 pm

VanWest82 wrote:How about Lowry S&T for Porzingis?

He’d be a really good fit with Siakam and it sounds like Dallas could use some leadership in their locker room.

I’d rather Kyle walks than we take on that nasty contract
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Post#579 » by VanWest82 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:58 pm

PrinceAli wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:How about Lowry S&T for Porzingis?

He’d be a really good fit with Siakam and it sounds like Dallas could use some leadership in their locker room.

I’d rather Kyle walks than we take on that nasty contract


It's a risk. If he keeps getting hurt then it'd be a disaster. If he stays healthy he'll still be overpaid.

Counter: he's a much better player than he's showed last couple years and it's really hard to obtain rights to good players. Also, we need a big man and there aren't many (any?) good options out there besides the draft, and those guys will take 2-3 years to develop anyways.
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Post#580 » by Bruin » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:03 pm

VanWest82 wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:How about Lowry S&T for Porzingis?

He’d be a really good fit with Siakam and it sounds like Dallas could use some leadership in their locker room.

I’d rather Kyle walks than we take on that nasty contract


It's a risk. If he keeps getting hurt then it'd be a disaster. If he stays healthy he'll still be overpaid.

Counter: he's a much better player than he's showed last couple years and it's really hard to obtain rights to good players. Also, we need a big man and there aren't many (any?) good options out there besides the draft, and those guys will take 2-3 years to develop anyways.

He’s hardly a big man if all he does is take 3s and stay away from physical play and can’t rebound

He’s Bargs 2.0
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