Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford

[ChopLuey]

You guys are delusional about Moses Brown, the guy is a filler. None of the Thunder fans on this site even care that he was tossed in. You guys have seen him play maybe once. He doesn't move the needle.

The lack of talent on this team after what they started with is mind-boggling and the Celtics just made yet another losing move.

You are delusional about Kemba

[Curmudgeon]

They are 10 games better without last year's Kemba, even if Moses Brown retires from the game tomorrow. Addition by subtraction.

[Parliament10]

They are 10 games better without last year's Kemba, even if Moses Brown retires from the game tomorrow. Addition by subtraction.

Absolutely.

Kemba was a total negative.
With him gone, we're a lot better.

[robbie84]

So let me get this straight. We trade a 33 million albatross contract for a multi-year 27 million albatross contract, and give up a pick #16, and somehow its a win?

Get your green colored glasses, throw them in the garbage, and look at reality for once.

Al Horford has to be waived, or moved in further trades. Al is 35yo, washed, volume shoots 3s all day, he can't play in the post, he's soft as cotton candy.

When he left, it was literally addition by subtraction, and the team really started to click. Theis, Williams, Kanter stepped up. Kanter could score in the post, Williams the young player that can block shots, and Theis all around player complimented one another.

We literally laughed at the contract Sixers gave Al Horford.

I hope this gives Cs flexibility to do further trades. But if not, and Hordford plays, i won't be watching.

Jog on then matey, ciiiaaaooo

[ajones9219]

Absolute steal. Horford showed last year he is still very useful. He was so good that OKC sent him home in an effort to lose more games. Gets out of the Kemba deal, upgrades the front court and gets a nice, outrageously cheap big man with tons of potential.

[ConnorHenry]

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/06/19/celtics-locker-room-dysfunctional-brad-stevens-kemba-walker-tension

The Celtics' locker room was reportedly dysfunctional throughout the 2020-21 NBA season for a myriad of reasons stemming from friction between head coach Brad Stevens and the players, per The Athletic's Jared Weiss.

[gocelts]

Funny thing is, yes, talent wise this is a horrible trade. We gave up the best player and a somewhat valuable pick that will likely be better than Brown.

Unfortunately, financially this really had to be done in order to be in the mix for future signings and big trades....

So YES I agree the trade in it self is terrible. Probably one of the worst in the league in the last 10 years...what I’m excited about is the opportunities that we’ll have to improve with Kemba off the court AND without Kemba on our books.

[radcot]

Kemba was bad last season, at times wretchedly bad. That we were able to unload him and his albatross contract at so little cost is pretty god damn amazing.

[jfs1000d]

Kemba was bad last season, at times wretchedly bad. That we were able to unload him and his albatross contract at so little cost is pretty god damn amazing.

He wasn’t bad last season. He was inconsistent abd wasn’t available enough. He wasn’t his all star self, but he wasn’t bad .

Was he worth salary? No. But bad is what Jeff Teague was .

People here do t know how to look at things objectively. He was a 20 ppg scorer, but wasn’t available enough.

Y’all make it sound like he fell off the map. Biggest issue with Kemba was his availability .


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[SuperDeluxe]

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/06/19/celtics-locker-room-dysfunctional-brad-stevens-kemba-walker-tension

The Celtics' locker room was reportedly dysfunctional throughout the 2020-21 NBA season for a myriad of reasons stemming from friction between head coach Brad Stevens and the players, per The Athletic's Jared Weiss.

Hard to know if any of this is true, but it does seem very plausible. The only thing that sounds fabricated is the Hayward part ("Hayward allegedly told Stevens that he needed to establish a stronger voice if the team wanted to win"). Hayward wouldn't tell Stevens something like this in public, therefore who leaked it to Jared Weiss?

[Andrew McCeltic]

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/06/19/celtics-locker-room-dysfunctional-brad-stevens-kemba-walker-tension

The Celtics' locker room was reportedly dysfunctional throughout the 2020-21 NBA season for a myriad of reasons stemming from friction between head coach Brad Stevens and the players, per The Athletic's Jared Weiss.

Hard to know if any of this is true, but it does seem very plausible. The only thing that sounds fabricated is the Hayward part ("Hayward allegedly told Stevens that he needed to establish a stronger voice if the team wanted to win"). Hayward wouldn't tell Stevens something like this in public, therefore who leaked it to Jared Weiss?

Interesting, since Stevens being indulgent of Hayward when he came back from injury was what sparked some locker room discontent..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Always seemed like Stevens was adverse to confrontation - had the attitude that the players were professionals and would push themselves..

Makes sense he could try to change and be bad at it. You treat players differently when you have a sense of each one’s personality and potential and make judgments about what you think they need. That can be unfair, especially if you have the wrong read on people.

[ajones9219]

Funny thing is, yes, talent wise this is a horrible trade. We gave up the best player and a somewhat valuable pick that will likely be better than Brown.

Unfortunately, financially this really had to be done in order to be in the mix for future signings and big trades....

So YES I agree the trade in it self is terrible. Probably one of the worst in the league in the last 10 years...what I’m excited about is the opportunities that we’ll have to improve with Kemba off the court AND without Kemba on our books.

I'll even disagree on the talent aspect. I don't think Kemba is ever going to be healthy so i'll take Horford over Kemba for on court production and he is a much better fit for our squad. Can you imagine if we had a healthy Horford and Jaylen in the playoffs this year? I think we have at least a punchers chance in that series....though I think we would have been better than 7th seed in the first place.

[gocelts]

Team was definitely dysfunctional.

Kemba won’t be the only one to go....

[gocelts]

Funny thing is, yes, talent wise this is a horrible trade. We gave up the best player and a somewhat valuable pick that will likely be better than Brown.

Unfortunately, financially this really had to be done in order to be in the mix for future signings and big trades....

So YES I agree the trade in it self is terrible. Probably one of the worst in the league in the last 10 years...what I’m excited about is the opportunities that we’ll have to improve with Kemba off the court AND without Kemba on our books.

I'll even disagree on the talent aspect. I don't think Kemba is ever going to be healthy so i'll take Horford over Kemba for on court production and he is a much better fit for our squad. Can you imagine if we had a healthy Horford and Jaylen in the playoffs this year? I think we have at least a punchers chance in that series....though I think we would have been better than 7th seed in the first place.

Maybe... Kemba would play well for like 10 minutes at the end of the 2nd or 3rd...and then be a liability the rest of his minutes...Horford won’t be asked to run the offense and will likely be serviceable for 20 minutes..but won’t do anything special.

I agree Horford is a better fit, but that’s not because he’s so much better, that’s just how bad our roster was constructed. Think about it...some one we let go 2 full seasons ago due to age was brought back and is still better than what we have at PF and potentially at Center. That’s pathetic.

[LoquaciousLarry]

He was hard on Kemba because he's afraid to ever hold Smart accountable. Smart has gone off the rails and needs to be moved along with a multitude of other players for this trade to make sense. On paper if this is the only move, its a loss.

[ajones9219]

Funny thing is, yes, talent wise this is a horrible trade. We gave up the best player and a somewhat valuable pick that will likely be better than Brown.

Unfortunately, financially this really had to be done in order to be in the mix for future signings and big trades....

So YES I agree the trade in it self is terrible. Probably one of the worst in the league in the last 10 years...what I’m excited about is the opportunities that we’ll have to improve with Kemba off the court AND without Kemba on our books.

I'll even disagree on the talent aspect. I don't think Kemba is ever going to be healthy so i'll take Horford over Kemba for on court production and he is a much better fit for our squad. Can you imagine if we had a healthy Horford and Jaylen in the playoffs this year? I think we have at least a punchers chance in that series....though I think we would have been better than 7th seed in the first place.

Maybe... Kemba would play well for like 10 minutes at the end of the 2nd or 3rd...and then be a liability the rest of his minutes...Horford won’t be asked to run the offense and will likely be serviceable for 20 minutes..but won’t do anything special.

I agree Horford is a better fit, but that’s not because he’s so much better, that’s just how bad our roster was constructed. Think about it...some one we let go 2 full seasons ago due to age was brought back and is still better than what we have at PF and potentially at Center. That’s pathetic.

idk that we let him go. If I remember correctly we tried hard to get Brooklyn to do a S&T so we could keep both Horford and Kemba but they wouldn't play ball and Horford got offered an insane contract with Philly. I think Boston wanted to keep Horford just not at absolute max money.

[jfs1000d]

Defense sucked. That makes s why Stevens was mad.

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[Hal14]

Funny thing is, yes, talent wise this is a horrible trade. We gave up the best player and a somewhat valuable pick that will likely be better than Brown.

Unfortunately, financially this really had to be done in order to be in the mix for future signings and big trades....

So YES I agree the trade in it self is terrible. Probably one of the worst in the league in the last 10 years...what I’m excited about is the opportunities that we’ll have to improve with Kemba off the court AND without Kemba on our books.

IDK, you could argue the 2 best players in the trade are Horford and Brown when you consider kemba can't defend, he's the most overpriced contract in the trade, he's far more of an injury risk than anyone else in the trade, he's a PG who only looks to shoot and doesn't look to pass, he's past his prime, etc.

The pick was gonna be what? Kai Jones, Garuba, Springer, Ziaire Williams or Isaiah Jackson. It's a 50/50 whether that guy would be better than Moses Brown.

And Moses Brown is more established, 2 years in the NBA already under his belt, 21 years old (jones is 20 but has only played basketball for 5 yrs, garuba is 19, springer is 18, ziaire is 19, jackson is 19) so brown is closer to being able to contribute to a playoff team than these 16th pick guys are.

Plus the 16th pick will make $4 mil a year.Brown since he as undrafted only makes $1.7 mil so we even save $2.3 mil there so even better.

[Hal14]

He was hard on Kemba because he's afraid to ever hold Smart accountable. Smart has gone off the rails and needs to be moved along with a multitude of other players for this trade to make sense. On paper if this is the only move, its a loss.

lol that makes zero sense.

Smart is 4 years younger. Smart's contract he makes $25 mil less per year. Smart is 10x better defensively. Smart is a better passer. Smart is much less of an injury risk..

Smart might also get traded, but if he doesn't...we're better off with smart than we are with kemba, no question..