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NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5

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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#261 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:26 pm

Simmons was never over-rated. He's a tremendous player.

The problem with Philly is the construction of their roster. As I mentioned, they have essentially no front court depth.

Last night they played Howard 7 minutes. Their other reserves were Maxey, Thybulle, Milton & Hill -- all guards.

Any time Embiid & Harris have bad games, Philly is in trouble.

Now look at last night's shooting: 5 guys -- Korkmaz, Howard, Maxey, Milton & Hill -- managed to go 4-16 overall. Add Embiid/Harris combining to go 19-45. That's 61 of their total of 80 shots, & they managed 23 buckets out of them.

You want them to win the game on the other 19 FGAs?? :)

So why did Philly lose? Answer this question instead: why did Curry & Thybulle get a total of 15 shots in a combined 52 minutes? Answer that question, & you understand why Philly lost.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#262 » by dobrojim » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:31 pm

Curry was really good. Remind me again why he didn’t stick here.
He was here briefly at one time.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#263 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:37 pm

dobrojim wrote:Curry was really good. Remind me again why he didn’t stick here.
He was here briefly at one time.


I was actually trying to find the thread where several people were suggesting we call him up from the G-League back in the day, Google really sucks as search engine now.
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Post#264 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:49 pm

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Post#265 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:56 pm

payitforward wrote:Meanwhile, Harris went 8-24, & Embiid turned the ball over 8 times!!
All Simmons' fault.

The Sixers have exactly 1 front court player -- that's it! -- whom Doc Rivers considers worth bringing off the bench. One guy only, & who is he? The ancient traveler, Dwight Howard.
That too is Ben Simmons fault.

I think if I were Tobias Harris & had just gone 8-24 in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.

I think if I were Joel Embiid & had just turned the ball over 8 times in a win-or-go-home game, & I heard the world criticizing Ben Simmons, I'd be stepping up & asking for that criticism to be put on me instead.


Great points.

Just wanted to add -

Trae Young's shooting numbers were terrible- Simmons played a big role.

Seth Curry guarding Huerter was a big mismatch and the Hawks exploited it. Even when the 76ers put Thybulle on Huerter, he committed a dumb foul shooting a 3.

Maxey was serviceable in game 6 but was worse than Ben Simmons - 2 points

Atlanta's bench play was pretty good- Okonguwu is exactly the big the 76ers need
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#266 » by FAH1223 » Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:26 pm

Can we talk about how we should have done the same things ATL has done in terms of roster construction?
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Post#267 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:40 am

FAH1223 wrote:Can we talk about how we should have done the same things ATL has done in terms of roster construction?


...but we had to do our Euro/International thing....
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Post#268 » by Shoe » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:47 am

closg00 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:Can we talk about how we should have done the same things ATL has done in terms of roster construction?


...but we had to do our Euro/International thing....


The last two Hawks picks were Reddish and Okongwu. In these playoffs one is averaging 2 points and the other hasn't played a single minute.

The Wizards current roster construction was hamstrung when Wall tore his achilles. We're still dealing with the shock waves of that. Westbrook averaged 19 ppg, 46 TS% on 16 attempts per game in the playoffs. Rui averaged 15 ppg, 71 TS%, 9 attempts per.

Also the Hawks drafted Collins in 2017 while we traded our first round pick to dump a bad contract we signed just a few months earlier. Took Brown over Heurter. A lot of moves that have nothing to do with international players.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#269 » by FAH1223 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:28 am

Shoe wrote:
closg00 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:Can we talk about how we should have done the same things ATL has done in terms of roster construction?


...but we had to do our Euro/International thing....


The last two Hawks picks were Reddish and Okongwu. In these playoffs one is averaging 2 points and the other hasn't played a single minute.

The Wizards current roster construction was hamstrung when Wall tore his achilles. We're still dealing with the shock waves of that. Westbrook averaged 19 ppg, 46 TS% on 16 attempts per game in the playoffs. Rui averaged 15 ppg, 71 TS%, 9 attempts per.

Also the Hawks drafted Collins in 2017 while we traded our first round pick to dump a bad contract we signed just a few months earlier. Took Brown over Heurter. A lot of moves that have nothing to do with international players.


Wizards 2017 1st rounder was Jarrett Allen

And Troy Brown was a dumb pick. Would have been fine with Huerter, DiVencenzo, Walker... I was screaming for Rob Williams.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#270 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:28 pm

Shoe wrote:
closg00 wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:Can we talk about how we should have done the same things ATL has done in terms of roster construction?


...but we had to do our Euro/International thing....


The last two Hawks picks were Reddish and Okongwu. In these playoffs one is averaging 2 points and the other hasn't played a single minute.

The Wizards current roster construction was hamstrung when Wall tore his achilles. We're still dealing with the shock waves of that. Westbrook averaged 19 ppg, 46 TS% on 16 attempts per game in the playoffs. Rui averaged 15 ppg, 71 TS%, 9 attempts per.

Also the Hawks drafted Collins in 2017 while we traded our first round pick to dump a bad contract we signed just a few months earlier. Took Brown over Heurter. A lot of moves that have nothing to do with international players.

While Wiz management crushed Brown's value, Huerter's has increased and without his big game 7, the Hawks season would likely be over. Arguably their best pick - Hunter - hasn't even been playing - because he's injured. That's a loaded roster.
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Post#271 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:06 pm

FAH1223 wrote:...Troy Brown was a dumb pick. Would have been fine with Huerter, DiVencenzo, Walker... I was screaming for Rob Williams.

Who would you rather have: Huerter or Daniel Gafford?
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Post#272 » by payitforward » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:20 pm

Huerter had a terrific game -- good for him! In his career so far, he's been a solid journeyman.

Comparing us to Atlanta is silly -- Tommy started rebuilding this team from the ground up 2 years ago. He had basically ZERO tradable assets to work with other than Beal.

I'm happy to criticize his mistakes, but overall he's done an unbelievable job.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#273 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:51 pm

payitforward wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:...Troy Brown was a dumb pick. Would have been fine with Huerter, DiVencenzo, Walker... I was screaming for Rob Williams.

Who would you rather have: Huerter or Daniel Gafford?

That's an irrelevant question, as you've essentially said in the past.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#274 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:53 pm

payitforward wrote:Huerter had a terrific game -- good for him! In his career so far, he's been a solid journeyman.

Comparing us to Atlanta is silly -- Tommy started rebuilding this team from the ground up 2 years ago. He had basically ZERO tradable assets to work with other than Beal.

I'm happy to criticize his mistakes, but overall he's done an unbelievable job.

Having a terrific game in game 7 of the playoffs is kinda important. And when people talk about the Wizards, they're not just talking about the Tommy era.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#275 » by Ruzious » Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:58 pm

payitforward wrote:So why did Philly lose? Answer this question instead: why did Curry & Thybulle get a total of 15 shots in a combined 52 minutes? Answer that question, & you understand why Philly lost.

Who cares how many shots Thybulle got? They don't rely on him for shooting. Curry - Yes, he should get a lot of 3's.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#276 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:10 pm

payitforward wrote:Huerter had a terrific game -- good for him! In his career so far, he's been a solid journeyman.

Comparing us to Atlanta is silly -- Tommy started rebuilding this team from the ground up 2 years ago. He had basically ZERO tradable assets to work with other than Beal.

I'm happy to criticize his mistakes, but overall he's done an unbelievable job.
I can't agree with piff more here honestly.

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Post#278 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:57 am

Ayton has seriously stepped up in the playoffs.

Who says big men aren’t as important as wings in today’s NBA?
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#279 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:53 am

I gotta say. It’s really fun to have a final four without a ‘super team’ (though I suppose you could consider the Clips one). No Lebron? Fine by me. No GSW dynasty? Good. No trophy chasing Nets? Outstanding.

Four teams constructed in different ways.

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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 5 

Post#280 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:17 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Ayton has seriously stepped up in the playoffs.

Who says big men aren’t as important as wings in today’s NBA?


In the playoffs, big men are absolutely critical when defenses slow things down and pack the paint.

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