2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4621 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:04 pm

Colbinii wrote:It's interesting how a choke job by LeBron resulted in Dirk somehow vaulting up in the eyes of many.


Good try.

No doubt the Mavs benefit by Lebron playing poorly, but then those same people forget they gave him fits in the regular season too. At some point the Mavs deserve some credit for Lebron's struggles. Anyone who wants to dismiss the career of Dirk over Lebron having 3 bad games is welcome to do so, but it seems silly.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4622 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:08 pm

Colbinii wrote:It's interesting how a choke job by LeBron resulted in Dirk somehow vaulting up in the eyes of many.

It's interesting how people only want to talk about "a chokejob by LeBron" when the same Mavs team swept Kobe and humbled Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. Maybe, just maybe, the 2011 Mavs were an excellent team.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4623 » by Colbinii » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:22 pm

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Colbinii wrote:It's interesting how a choke job by LeBron resulted in Dirk somehow vaulting up in the eyes of many.


Good try.

No doubt the Mavs benefit by Lebron playing poorly, but then those same people forget they gave him fits in the regular season too. At some point the Mavs deserve some credit for Lebron's struggles. Anyone who wants to dismiss the career of Dirk over Lebron having 3 bad games is welcome to do so, but it seems silly.


I'm saying LeBron was the biggest reason for the loss and for many people (as you mentioned) the ring allowed Dirk to rise in their rankings.

I'm not really trying anything, I'm just agreeing with everyone here about how its foolish to think these all-time greats have something to prove.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4624 » by Colbinii » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:24 pm

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Colbinii wrote:It's interesting how a choke job by LeBron resulted in Dirk somehow vaulting up in the eyes of many.

It's interesting how people only want to talk about "a chokejob by LeBron" when the same Mavs team swept Kobe and humbled Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. Maybe, just maybe, the 2011 Mavs were an excellent team.


The Mavericks were a great team. I dont think anyone is saying they weren't :roll:
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4625 » by PaulieWal » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:57 pm

Do people really think CP will be blamed "unfairly" if the Suns lose this series? He has been pretty bad in the 3 games he has played and his let me hold the ball and try to go up against a set defense clearly isn't working. These weird playoffs keep on getting weirder and weirder.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4626 » by 70sFan » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:59 pm

PaulieWal wrote:Do people really think CP will be blamed "unfairly" if the Suns lose this series? He has been pretty bad in the 3 games he has played and his let me hold the ball and try to go up against a set defense clearly isn't working. These weird playoffs keep on getting weirder and weirder.

It would be unfair for people who will extrapolate this loss for Paul's whole career and I'm sure a lot of people would do that.

It wouldn't be unfair to blame him for playing poorly now, but again - Paul is way past his best and he shouldn't have as big role as he has. Maybe something is wrong with his approach, but I wouldn't be so sure.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4627 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:02 pm

PaulieWal wrote:Do people really think CP will be blamed "unfairly" if the Suns lose this series? He has been pretty bad in the 3 games he has played and his let me hold the ball and try to go up against a set defense clearly isn't working. These weird playoffs keep on getting weirder and weirder.

If they do lose this series, I expect the narrative to be all about CP3's shoulder injury and COVID absence. Some people will probably also start looking for reasons to blame Booker and Ayton instead. And it will also be the refs' fault somehow.

CP3's never actually gotten much blame for underachieving in the playoffs, and now that he's being propped up as some heroic underdog who "deserves" a ring, I don't expect it to change now.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4628 » by GSP » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:27 pm

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PaulieWal wrote:Do people really think CP will be blamed "unfairly" if the Suns lose this series? He has been pretty bad in the 3 games he has played and his let me hold the ball and try to go up against a set defense clearly isn't working. These weird playoffs keep on getting weirder and weirder.

If they do lose this series, I expect the narrative to be all about CP3's shoulder injury and COVID absence. Some people will probably also start looking for reasons to blame Booker and Ayton instead. And it will also be the refs' fault somehow.

CP3's never actually gotten much blame for underachieving in the playoffs, and now that he's being propped up as some heroic underdog who "deserves" a ring, I don't expect it to change now.


The shoulder injury would be such a pathetic excuse even for Cp3 fans. It looked completely fine against Denver

Seems its only an issue when hes playing a good defense and not a g league one like Denvers
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4629 » by MartinToVaught » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:50 pm

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Post#4630 » by TheGOATRises007 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:51 pm

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The players aren't necessarily blameless.

They were given plenty of options including a reduced schedule and they declined.

They could have taken less $$$ and played less games and reduced the totality of stress on their body.
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Post#4631 » by parsnips33 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:59 pm

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This is from stepping on the refs foot right? So so unfortunate
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Post#4632 » by MartinToVaught » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:09 am

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The players aren't necessarily blameless.

They were given plenty of options including a reduced schedule and they declined.

They could have taken less $$$ and played less games and reduced the totality of stress on their body.

Yeah, I realized my mini-rant there was kind of a kneejerk reaction so I removed it.

All these injuries feel like a cascade of short-term greed and poor decisions from both the league and the players - frankly, starting with the ill-conceived bubble last year, which was kind of like robbing Peter to pay Paul. They were chasing what was left of last season at the expense of player safety and the quality of the product for this season (and maybe even next season).

But even if they had to do the bubble, they at least could have copied what the NHL did to get through this season. Start later, do a pod system with realigned divisions to reduce travel. It's crazy that Gary Bettman's NHL showed better leadership than the NBA here.
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Post#4633 » by falcolombardi » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:16 am

i had bucks winning in 6, now i think they gentleman sweep
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Post#4634 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:27 am

That sucks. But Hawks have some guys who can score still. Nobody should be conceding the night just yet.
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Post#4635 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:29 am

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Post#4636 » by PaulieWal » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:33 am

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PaulieWal wrote:Do people really think CP will be blamed "unfairly" if the Suns lose this series? He has been pretty bad in the 3 games he has played and his let me hold the ball and try to go up against a set defense clearly isn't working. These weird playoffs keep on getting weirder and weirder.

It would be unfair for people who will extrapolate this loss for Paul's whole career and I'm sure a lot of people would do that.

It wouldn't be unfair to blame him for playing poorly now, but again - Paul is way past his best and he shouldn't have as big role as he has. Maybe something is wrong with his approach, but I wouldn't be so sure.


Well, I don't think he's a choker or anything but he's definitely a tad overrated. I think he's a great #2 or 1b, and as a solo act he can do what he did with OKC last year. His impact is tremendous but blowing two 3-1 leads is not gonna be a good look for him no matter what context one wants to use especially with no Kawhi.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4637 » by Colbinii » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:34 am

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The Bucks have gotten to play against an unhealthy Harden for 3 games, Kyrie for 4 games then injured Young and Bogdanovic.

Suns have gotten 3.5 games of AD, no Murray/Dozier and 2.5 games of Barton, No Kawhi.

I actually don't think all the injuries are greed.

First off, did yall actually watch the games? Trae stepped on a refs foot. Kyrie landed on Giannis' foot.

The ACL's are a big deal but some of the injuries are fluky.
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Post#4638 » by Colbinii » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:37 am

Texas Chuck wrote:That sucks. But Hawks have some guys who can score still. Nobody should be conceding the night just yet.


Who can score, Lou Williams?

Bogdanovic has been injured for the past 2 weeks and can hardly jump.

Do we really expect Gallinari with no point guard to be able to be a #1 option here?
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4639 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:50 am

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Texas Chuck wrote:That sucks. But Hawks have some guys who can score still. Nobody should be conceding the night just yet.


Who can score, Lou Williams?

Bogdanovic has been injured for the past 2 weeks and can hardly jump.

Do we really expect Gallinari with no point guard to be able to be a #1 option here?


Yes Lou can score.
Maybe Gallo will be the #1 option, though I expect it to be more by committee.

Guess they could just forfeit instead but that seems stupid.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#4640 » by falcolombardi » Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:10 am

i have the feeling there are not that many injuries as de make it to be compared to other years

specially cause we only look at stars injuries which are a tiny part of the full sample so lots of volatility injuries wise (and fwiw, many of those were freak accidents mike lebron with solomon Hill, kyrie on giannis foot, trae just now on the red, etc)

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