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Post#701 » by DevinVassell » Thu Jul 1, 2021 5:44 am

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wupuck wrote:Seriously don't get the fascination w/ JJ. Any player that quits on his team mid-season screams immaturity at best and head-case at worse. Even if he's there at 14, let some other team deal w/ that headache.


This is very simple from my point of view: you draft from a standpoint of pure talent, and later hope your organizational culture, along with the own player's maturity, will fix this over time.


Sure if you're getting an Allen Iverson or a D Cousins but those level talents are usually at the top of the draft - not the middle. Also they can goto a crappy team and get away w/ antics because the team doesn't want to piss off their star player.

Dubs stars have championship pedigree and classy as can be. Sure you can argue that maybe a talent like JJ can keep it together if under the wings of a Draymond.

But what if he can't? You can take the kid out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the kid - isn't that the saying? What if his head is so big he thinks he can still do what he wants? Can the team afford that level of malcontent when trying to maintain a championship culture?

For all everyone says about Wiseman, he's clearly got good work ethic and doesn't blame others for his mistakes - That's.a coachable personality.

I seriously have my reservations about JJ


Can someone enlighten me as to what all these Jalen Johnson worrisome red flags are?

What has he actually done to be painted as a risk?

I'm assuming there must be some first degree murder or rape charge I haven't heard about.
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Post#702 » by whatisacenter » Thu Jul 1, 2021 6:13 am

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wupuck wrote:Seriously don't get the fascination w/ JJ. Any player that quits on his team mid-season screams immaturity at best and head-case at worse. Even if he's there at 14, let some other team deal w/ that headache.


This is very simple from my point of view: you draft from a standpoint of pure talent, and later hope your organizational culture, along with the own player's maturity, will fix this over time.


Sure if you're getting an Allen Iverson or a D Cousins but those level talents are usually at the top of the draft - not the middle. Also they can goto a crappy team and get away w/ antics because the team doesn't want to piss off their star player.

Dubs stars have championship pedigree and classy as can be. Sure you can argue that maybe a talent like JJ can keep it together if under the wings of a Draymond.

But what if he can't? You can take the kid out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the kid - isn't that the saying? What if his head is so big he thinks he can still do what he wants? Can the team afford that level of malcontent when trying to maintain a championship culture?

For all everyone says about Wiseman, he's clearly got good work ethic and doesn't blame others for his mistakes - That's.a coachable personality.

I seriously have my reservations about JJ


that is kind of an ignorant statement for a few reasons.
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Post#703 » by FNQ » Thu Jul 1, 2021 8:17 am

TB wrote:Players mostly ranked late 1st or 2nd that i'm a fan of (in order of how I currently rank them):

Trey Murphy
Bones Hyland
Scottie Lewis
Moses Wright
Duece McBride
Quentin Grimes
Charles Bassey

Anyone have someone that is their absolute sleeper that I should be checking out?


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Post#704 » by Onus » Thu Jul 1, 2021 1:44 pm

FNQ wrote:
TB wrote:Players mostly ranked late 1st or 2nd that i'm a fan of (in order of how I currently rank them):

Trey Murphy
Bones Hyland
Scottie Lewis
Moses Wright
Duece McBride
Quentin Grimes
Charles Bassey

Anyone have someone that is their absolute sleeper that I should be checking out?


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Post#705 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 2:44 pm

Moody does feel a bit like a "not special" player at 7 in such a deep draft. He just feels like he is who he is and pretty close to who he is going to be. That said, he's pretty much a prototype 3&D guy, and he's a high floor guy.

I can't really get closer than the list of Barnes, Kuminga, Mitchell, Moody, Jalen Johnson at 7. But I can accept that someone else will jump up there based on the combine/interviews/tryouts.
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Post#706 » by osx28 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 3:10 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:Moody does feel a bit like a "not special" player at 7 in such a deep draft. He just feels like he is who he is and pretty close to who he is going to be. That said, he's pretty much a prototype 3&D guy, and he's a high floor guy.

I can't really get closer than the list of Barnes, Kuminga, Mitchell, Moody, Jalen Johnson at 7. But I can accept that someone else will jump up there based on the combine/interviews/tryouts.


Odds are Barnes and Kuminga will off the board at 7, so I agree completely with your other 3 at 7. How possible do you think it would be to get 2 of those with 7 and 14? I feel like after 6, it is very fluid.

If the opportunity presented itself do you think it would be worth sending a future 1st and maybe EP to move up from 14 to 8 or 9 and guarantee we get 2 from that trio?
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Post#707 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 3:31 pm

osx28 wrote:
Scoots1994 wrote:Moody does feel a bit like a "not special" player at 7 in such a deep draft. He just feels like he is who he is and pretty close to who he is going to be. That said, he's pretty much a prototype 3&D guy, and he's a high floor guy.

I can't really get closer than the list of Barnes, Kuminga, Mitchell, Moody, Jalen Johnson at 7. But I can accept that someone else will jump up there based on the combine/interviews/tryouts.


Odds are Barnes and Kuminga will off the board at 7, so I agree completely with your other 3 at 7. How possible do you think it would be to get 2 of those with 7 and 14? I feel like after 6, it is very fluid.

If the opportunity presented itself do you think it would be worth sending a future 1st and maybe EP to move up from 14 to 8 or 9 and guarantee we get 2 from that trio?


There is so much talent in this draft it's possible Mitchell and Jalen Johnson will be on the board at 14.

I'm not too high on Bouknight or Kai Jones and have them after 14 but I've seen them both as high as 8. It's really volatile right now, and the teams are much better at keeping their thinking quiet than they used to so the speculation is more random than it used to be.
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Post#708 » by wupuck » Thu Jul 1, 2021 9:27 pm

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wupuck wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:
This is very simple from my point of view: you draft from a standpoint of pure talent, and later hope your organizational culture, along with the own player's maturity, will fix this over time.


Sure if you're getting an Allen Iverson or a D Cousins but those level talents are usually at the top of the draft - not the middle. Also they can goto a crappy team and get away w/ antics because the team doesn't want to piss off their star player.

Dubs stars have championship pedigree and classy as can be. Sure you can argue that maybe a talent like JJ can keep it together if under the wings of a Draymond.

But what if he can't? You can take the kid out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the kid - isn't that the saying? What if his head is so big he thinks he can still do what he wants? Can the team afford that level of malcontent when trying to maintain a championship culture?

For all everyone says about Wiseman, he's clearly got good work ethic and doesn't blame others for his mistakes - That's.a coachable personality.

I seriously have my reservations about JJ


Can someone enlighten me as to what all these Jalen Johnson worrisome red flags are?

What has he actually done to be painted as a risk?

I'm assuming there must be some first degree murder or rape charge I haven't heard about.


No - if there was a rape/murder charge then that guy shouldn't even be in the NBA. I'm talking about signs he might not be mentally strong enough to be an NBA player let alone a player on the Dubs.

I think this post brings up more points of my concern:
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I think the concern with JJ is that he decided to play on three different high schools in 3 years, including changing HS midway through his senior year, before cutting time with Duke. Context is everything, and there may be valid reasons for each departure, but it does raise a red flag for some evaluators.

One other thing to note is Duke-alum Mike Dunleavy Jr. is Myer's right hand man now. He's probably watched a lot of Duke games and studied JJ extensively this past season. It will be interesting to see if MDJ's influence sways the Warriors to draft JJ or disregard him altogether as a pick -- not sure which way it goes tbh.
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Post#709 » by GSWFan1994 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:17 pm

Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?
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Post#710 » by DevinVassell » Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:29 pm

^. I don't think its to early for him at all. We all know the draft is not a sure thing. Plenty of experts whiff every year. He is obviously very talented and has high upside. If you like him, trust your judgement and take him.

With that said, there is lots of other talented prospects in the same range so he is no sure thing to be taken there by other teams. If you have identified him as your guy, there's no problem getting a bit cheeky and trying to trade down a few spots and still get him.
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Post#711 » by TB » Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:32 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


There was a time early this season that Bouknight was looking like the best scorer not named Jalen Green and people on the Draft board were putting him at 6th.

Obviously the injury happened, and his numbers came down to earth a bit, plus his measurements were a bit on the short side... but the kid is super talented and a really fluid athlete.

He reminds me of Monta.
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Post#712 » by Scoots1994 » Thu Jul 1, 2021 10:42 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


Keep in mind that it's all baseless speculation.

I am not sold on Bouknight at 14. He's a lot like Poole to me, but with less BBIQ and a better scorer overall. He has potential but his passing, decision making, 3pt shooting, and defense are weak.
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Post#713 » by ChuckDurn » Fri Jul 2, 2021 12:04 am

DevinVassell wrote:^. I don't think its to early for him at all. We all know the draft is not a sure thing. Plenty of experts whiff every year. He is obviously very talented and has high upside. If you like him, trust your judgement and take him.

With that said, there is lots of other talented prospects in the same range so he is no sure thing to be taken there by other teams. If you have identified him as your guy, there's no problem getting a bit cheeky and trying to trade down a few spots and still get him.

I’m a little skeptical that there’d be any “locking in” at this time, particularly because it assumes that somebody won’t fall from the top 6 (assumed to be Cade/Mobley/Green/Suggs/Kuminga/Barnes in some order).

But given the presence of Poole on the roster, if the Warriors were to take Bouknight at 7, it means (to me) that the see him as in a separate tier from everybody below him. While they do it different ways, they’re both combo-sized scoring guards who do much better with the ball in their hands, and have some defensive issues. So there’s some redundancy, where more obvious roster holes exist and could be filled by other prospects.

I’m not saying that I’m against taking Bouknight (though it’s too early to say). But it suggests that they think he’s clearly a cut above everybody else. (And who knows…… maybe it means Poole could be on the move.)
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Post#714 » by Mob Byers » Fri Jul 2, 2021 12:21 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


I think this is an attempt to bait a team into who likes Bouknight to trade up and give us some extra player/asset
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Post#715 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 1:35 am

Mob Byers wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


I think this is an attempt to bait a team into who likes Bouknight to trade up and give us some extra player/asset


I don't think the Warriors tend to do that sort of thing. I think they don't leak any information and this is just totally speculation.
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Post#716 » by FNQ » Fri Jul 2, 2021 3:42 am

GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


My thoughts are that no one locks into their draft pick 28 days before the draft and lets the word get out
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Post#717 » by FNQ » Fri Jul 2, 2021 3:44 am

Mob Byers wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


I think this is an attempt to bait a team into who likes Bouknight to trade up and give us some extra player/asset


I kinda doubt it, unless Bouknight was a lock at 7. Why not say someone like Sengun who's getting serious ink all over the place? Bouknight is a weird place to start
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Post#718 » by Marty McFly » Fri Jul 2, 2021 5:11 am

Mob Byers wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


I think this is an attempt to bait a team into who likes Bouknight to trade up and give us some extra player/asset



what would it take from the knicks in your opinion...
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Post#719 » by whatisacenter » Fri Jul 2, 2021 6:35 am

Marty McFly wrote:
Mob Byers wrote:
GSWFan1994 wrote:Seems like Givony is saying the Warriors are locking in James Bouknight at pick 7.

I don't like this at all. Way too early for him.

Thoughts?


I think this is an attempt to bait a team into who likes Bouknight to trade up and give us some extra player/asset



what would it take from the knicks in your opinion...


man, I just looked at the players on your roster that are under contract next season and it is only 9. Not really anyone on the roster that I think you would be interested in moving that would be appealing to many teams. Maybe if Bouknight was on the board at 14 the Warriors might be interested in moving down with NY for 19&21, especially if the Dubs have traded their 7th pick away and their are a couple of players that they like late in the draft.
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Post#720 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Jul 2, 2021 2:02 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
Mob Byers wrote:
I think this is an attempt to bait a team into who likes Bouknight to trade up and give us some extra player/asset



what would it take from the knicks in your opinion...


man, I just looked at the players on your roster that are under contract next season and it is only 9. Not really anyone on the roster that I think you would be interested in moving that would be appealing to many teams. Maybe if Bouknight was on the board at 14 the Warriors might be interested in moving down with NY for 19&21, especially if the Dubs have traded their 7th pick away and their are a couple of players that they like late in the draft.


This is the thing. IF the Warriors have several players they want on the board at 14 I could see them trading back with NY. But if they have 1 player well above the others I think they just take that player.

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