Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[sixers hoops]

Guys it’s simple:

Lowry
CJ
Green
Simmons
Embiid

How do we get Lowry? Exception?

[sixers hoops]

Warriors fan...I come in peace.
IMO Philly fans know hoops as much or more than any fan base.
One of the rumors is the trade with Warriors sending Wiggins and our picks for Ben.
Question: Wouldn't Draymond Green be a much better option for your squad? Trust me...if he's on your team you've got the meanest SOB and an unquestionable leader. He's a master ball distributor and all-defensive player.
Yes he's older....but if you guys are in a win now mode (next 2-3 years) wouldn't you want to have a super clutch dude helping Embiid and Tobias and Seth get it done?

Wiggins just not a leader type...I think your team needs toughness and clutchness and Draymond will give you both. He'll hit is FTs when it matters most...and he CAN hit a 3 in the biggest of moments.

Thoughts?

I’d much rather have Draymond. We are win-now for the most part. I don’t really want Draymond and Tobias on the same team. Tobias is best at the four.

[DCasey91]

Guys it’s simple:

Lowry
CJ
Green
Simmons
Embiid

How do we get Lowry? Exception?

Don’t know lol we pray I guess. Surely Harris/Hill etc off the books is enough I dunno.

[sixers hoops]

Not even going to explain myself again. You clearly didn't read my post. Learn to read and comprehend, then we'll revisit this.

Maybe you don't know what you wrote. You said trade Tobias for CJ because that's the only thing we haven't tried for Ben and Biid. What you don't seem to appreciate is that keeping Ben on the court when he refuses to shoot is a non-starter. It won't matter a lick if you have a PG when you are constantly stuck playing 4 on 5. If you can't 100% guarantee that Ben returns next season willing to shoot then you've lost your last window to dump his pansy-a** onto another team.

You also can't presume the Sixers are "worse" without Ben if you get an all-star level point guard or a wing and sign a PG. Frankly, I think the team is as good and likely better just by forcing opponents to respect all 5 positions on defense in the half court.

Simmons for Green
Harris for McCollum

Maxey (if he's ready)
McCollum - Curry
Embiid
Green
Green

We keep our young players and picks, Morey finds some depth in FA and possible lesser trades, and we have a championship level, balanced roster. Done.

Not sure we are championship level here, but this is the direction I would go. We don’t completely gut our team. I like Maxey a lot, but along with his good games, he has had some games were he shot poorly and turned the ball over a lot. And I thought a George Hill would be a big addition, but he shot the ball poorly. I would love to grab a vet PG to platoon with Maxey in this scenario.

[sixers hoops]

Guys it’s simple:

Lowry
CJ
Green
Simmons
Embiid

How do we get Lowry? Exception?

Don’t know lol we pray I guess. Surely Harris/Hill etc off the books is enough I dunno.

Harris’s salary would be replaced with CJ in this scenario. Not picking up Hill’s full option, but re-signing Danny Green prob puts us very close to the luxury tax. We won’t have cap room, and I’m not sure Lowry comes here for an exception.

If luxury tax is an issue, I would offer Lowry a deal first. If it doesn’t happen then re-sign Danny Green. If ownership believes we have a real shot at a title, maybe repeater tax isn’t an issue. If we can’t re-sign Green, you just hope Thybulle improves that corner three, and start him at small forward. Ben and Thybulle both offer little on offense, but at least we can get three willing scorers around them to minimize their lack of perimeter play.

[SparksFly87]

Ben Simmons and Embiid surrounded by all defensive Thybulle , 6th man Maxey and sharp shooter curry and a borderline all-star or star high level scoring guard needs to be tried first.

I even would gamble on a pit bull like Westbrook for Tobias and Hill deal.


I love shooting but this team lacks a true alpha dog and tenacious killer mentality the most. We had Jimmy but Westbrook is more athletic and even more dangerous off the dribble. He or John Wall would do wonders for this team.

[blargh]

4th quarter ball Harris can’t be asked for the bookend. Neither can Embiid alone. Not his fault his game isn’t suited to that.

It’s addition by subtraction with Harris.

You know he’s getting paid top 15 money in the comp? Net negative no matter what Harris does because he can’t play any better then he has. Mid season he should have been gone but Morey literally can’t clean up every mess in one year.

Ben’s actual contract is top 30 which is neutral at minimum and a positive when placed in an environment for uptick (solo or aviable backcourt same with Embiid).

CJ has a big uptick when Lillard is out and is just a better fit in the end it’s kind of a no brainer the swap between the two.

These are Tobias and CJs stats in the 4th quarter this season:

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203468&VsPlayerID=202699&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

In the playoffs, Tobias was worse, but they were both bad. You can kind of squint your eyes and say yeah, CJ’s got a game that would have helped us in those Atlanta situations, but the empirical evidence is he peaked in the playoffs 4-5 years ago, and has been trending downward.

Whether a player is on a top 15 or top 30 contract is relevant from a long term asset mgmt perspective, but is basically irrelevant to the question of how does this team improve during the next couple of years of Embiid’s window. Almost any player we get back from Harris will be on an equal or worse contract, because we are paying for experience right now, vs potential.

Bottom line, if CJ was such a sure upgrade, Portland fans wouldn’t be so ready to part with him.

[Sportfan73]

4th quarter ball Harris can’t be asked for the bookend. Neither can Embiid alone. Not his fault his game isn’t suited to that.

It’s addition by subtraction with Harris.

You know he’s getting paid top 15 money in the comp? Net negative no matter what Harris does because he can’t play any better then he has. Mid season he should have been gone but Morey literally can’t clean up every mess in one year.

Ben’s actual contract is top 30 which is neutral at minimum and a positive when placed in an environment for uptick (solo or aviable backcourt same with Embiid).

CJ has a big uptick when Lillard is out and is just a better fit in the end it’s kind of a no brainer the swap between the two.

These are Tobias and CJs stats in the 4th quarter this season:

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203468&VsPlayerID=202699&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

In the playoffs, Tobias was worse, but they were both bad. You can kind of squint your eyes and say yeah, CJ’s got a game that would have helped us in those Atlanta situations, but the empirical evidence is he peaked in the playoffs 4-5 years ago, and has been trending downward.

Whether a player is on a top 15 or top 30 contract is relevant from a long term asset mgmt perspective, but is basically irrelevant to the question of how does this team improve during the next couple of years of Embiid’s window. Almost any player we get back from Harris will be on an equal or worse contract, because we are paying for experience right now, vs potential.

Bottom line, if CJ was such a sure upgrade, Portland fans wouldn’t be so ready to part with him.

What’s the one glaring metric between us and other playoff teams? 3pa

[76ciology]

4th quarter ball Harris can’t be asked for the bookend. Neither can Embiid alone. Not his fault his game isn’t suited to that.

It’s addition by subtraction with Harris.

You know he’s getting paid top 15 money in the comp? Net negative no matter what Harris does because he can’t play any better then he has. Mid season he should have been gone but Morey literally can’t clean up every mess in one year.

Ben’s actual contract is top 30 which is neutral at minimum and a positive when placed in an environment for uptick (solo or aviable backcourt same with Embiid).

CJ has a big uptick when Lillard is out and is just a better fit in the end it’s kind of a no brainer the swap between the two.

These are Tobias and CJs stats in the 4th quarter this season:

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203468&VsPlayerID=202699&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

In the playoffs, Tobias was worse, but they were both bad. You can kind of squint your eyes and say yeah, CJ’s got a game that would have helped us in those Atlanta situations, but the empirical evidence is he peaked in the playoffs 4-5 years ago, and has been trending downward.

Whether a player is on a top 15 or top 30 contract is relevant from a long term asset mgmt perspective, but is basically irrelevant to the question of how does this team improve during the next couple of years of Embiid’s window. Almost any player we get back from Harris will be on an equal or worse contract, because we are paying for experience right now, vs potential.

Bottom line, if CJ was such a sure upgrade, Portland fans wouldn’t be so ready to part with him.

What’s the one glaring metric between us and other playoff teams? 3pa

No.

Only we have a starting point guard who can’t score.

[Arsenal]

4th quarter ball Harris can’t be asked for the bookend. Neither can Embiid alone. Not his fault his game isn’t suited to that.

It’s addition by subtraction with Harris.

You know he’s getting paid top 15 money in the comp? Net negative no matter what Harris does because he can’t play any better then he has. Mid season he should have been gone but Morey literally can’t clean up every mess in one year.

Ben’s actual contract is top 30 which is neutral at minimum and a positive when placed in an environment for uptick (solo or aviable backcourt same with Embiid).

CJ has a big uptick when Lillard is out and is just a better fit in the end it’s kind of a no brainer the swap between the two.

These are Tobias and CJs stats in the 4th quarter this season:

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203468&VsPlayerID=202699&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

In the playoffs, Tobias was worse, but they were both bad. You can kind of squint your eyes and say yeah, CJ’s got a game that would have helped us in those Atlanta situations, but the empirical evidence is he peaked in the playoffs 4-5 years ago, and has been trending downward.

Whether a player is on a top 15 or top 30 contract is relevant from a long term asset mgmt perspective, but is basically irrelevant to the question of how does this team improve during the next couple of years of Embiid’s window. Almost any player we get back from Harris will be on an equal or worse contract, because we are paying for experience right now, vs potential.

Bottom line, if CJ was such a sure upgrade, Portland fans wouldn’t be so ready to part with him.

CJ is a big time upgrade for us over Tobias because he's a much better fit. It's the same concept as when we traded Horford for Danny Green.

And in this case you can argue that CJ is a better player or at least equal to Tobias.

[ILOVEIT]

I love warriors fans coming in peace, but even if Draymond is not shy of the moment unlike Simmons, he won’t take us to another level, like top-3 NBA team. Picks are cool, but no guarantee of a great player/value.

If Morey trades Simmons, it’s to make us better the day he completed the trade.

The weird thing is Seth Curry...of all players...seemed to keep you guys in the playoffs. Looks like you really need another reliable scorer if you keep Simmons OR trade him for a guy like Draymond.

Good luck....I think Warrior fans aren't sure about Simmons either...But I think he's got a ton of talent in the right situation

Side note - man I used to loooooooooooooooooooooove watching Dr J and the sixers....Moses....then the young round mound of rebound. Used to root so hard against the Celtics.....dam!.

[ILOVEIT]

Some love to Philly fans (who are old enough to appreciate it).
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[Slick SickSir]

I literally cant have a conversation with anyone who wants to keep ben. They are beneath me at this point. Its truly case study worthy

[DCasey91]

4th quarter ball Harris can’t be asked for the bookend. Neither can Embiid alone. Not his fault his game isn’t suited to that.

It’s addition by subtraction with Harris.

You know he’s getting paid top 15 money in the comp? Net negative no matter what Harris does because he can’t play any better then he has. Mid season he should have been gone but Morey literally can’t clean up every mess in one year.

Ben’s actual contract is top 30 which is neutral at minimum and a positive when placed in an environment for uptick (solo or aviable backcourt same with Embiid).

CJ has a big uptick when Lillard is out and is just a better fit in the end it’s kind of a no brainer the swap between the two.

These are Tobias and CJs stats in the 4th quarter this season:

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/#!/?PlayerID=203468&VsPlayerID=202699&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4

In the playoffs, Tobias was worse, but they were both bad. You can kind of squint your eyes and say yeah, CJ’s got a game that would have helped us in those Atlanta situations, but the empirical evidence is he peaked in the playoffs 4-5 years ago, and has been trending downward.

Whether a player is on a top 15 or top 30 contract is relevant from a long term asset mgmt perspective, but is basically irrelevant to the question of how does this team improve during the next couple of years of Embiid’s window. Almost any player we get back from Harris will be on an equal or worse contract, because we are paying for experience right now, vs potential.

Bottom line, if CJ was such a sure upgrade, Portland fans wouldn’t be so ready to part with him.

Really really easy

Harris

Or CJ + 21 Million saved.

Simple

Harris has a horrible contract. Addition by subtraction.

[DCasey91]

I literally cant have a conversation with anyone who wants to keep ben. They are beneath me at this point. Its truly case study worthy

I bet your fun at parties.

[DCasey91]

TJ
Mikal
Roco
Ben
Embiid

Bench:
Maxey
Redick
Saric
Holmes
Korklord

How about just letting the team play for more then one year together and stop looking at short sighted moves lol.

[Mik317]

I literally cant have a conversation with anyone who wants to keep ben. They are beneath me at this point. Its truly case study worthy

you don't seem to want to have a conversation period.

you do understand that people are allowed to not agree with you, right? None of us are able to tell the future and very few of us get paid to do this **** and are just spit balling in general.

Just because they don't hate Ben like you do doesn't make them better or worse than you my guy.


like ffs all of your posts are about the guy...its not that serious

[Foshan]

I literally cant have a conversation with anyone who wants to keep ben. They are beneath me at this point. Its truly case study worthy

I bet your fun at parties.

I bet he's pursuing a career in politics.

[DCasey91]

I literally cant have a conversation with anyone who wants to keep ben. They are beneath me at this point. Its truly case study worthy

I bet your fun at parties.

I bet he's pursuing a career in politics.

He can be some mythical being... an honest politician

I’m surprised he even had the time out of his day to talk to us peasants lmao

[ConstableChaos]

Philly still looking for the player Fultz was meant to become.

Granted Simmons has done sweet FA to improve his game in the 1/2 court, but we still haven't seen this guy with a starting calibre PG. I'd be offloading Harris for this piece, then give it till the trade deadline.

If Sixers want to knock over the Nets, Simmons is the dude that you need. If he's PJ Tucker on offense thats all he needs to be very effective in the half court