2021 Draft Thread

[510TWSS]

Interesting takes from CBS Sports on who will have the best careers as opposed to who will be taken highest.

Not certain I agree, but it's a different perspective.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

lol he has us taking two more jordan poole.

We'd have the market cornered on 6'5'' guards that weigh less than 200 lbs soaking wet.

[Chupchup]

https://sports.yahoo.com/stephen-curry-reacts-warriors-potentially-005203932.html

Warriors haven't worked out anyone in top 14 yet ...

[mos_def]

https://sports.yahoo.com/stephen-curry-reacts-warriors-potentially-005203932.html

Warriors haven't worked out anyone in top 14 yet ...

We didn't work out steph. I wouldn't worry

[whatisacenter]

https://sports.yahoo.com/stephen-curry-reacts-warriors-potentially-005203932.html

Warriors haven't worked out anyone in top 14 yet ...

We didn't work out steph. I wouldn't worry

He said “we haven’t had any of the top 14 out to the bay, yet”. Quite often the top lottery picks have pro days and the teams go to them.

[Mob Byers]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

[Onus]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

What is this list? They want to bring in undrafted players?

[ChuckDurn]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

If he isn’t drafted (or we don’t get a pick in the 2nd round), Sims would be a great guy to bring in for the Summer League and training camp. He was far and away the best big man on the Texas team that had Kai Jones and Greg Brown this year, and played behind Mo Bamba his freshman year and Jaxson Hayes his sophomore year. Sims just learned how to play solid, smart ball, instead of the flashy inconsistent games of the other 4 guys. His senior year, he shot almost 70% from the field, because he plays within himself and takes smart shots. He did well at the Combine, both with physical measurements (his vertical was something like 42”, which is crazy at his height), and did well in the scrimmages.

I’d love to get him in, and see what he has…….

[killmongrel]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

Myers heard us talking **** about him being uncreative and predictable and is thinking outside the box.

[Scoots1994]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

What is this list? They want to bring in undrafted players?

They have at least one open 2-way contract slot

[ChuckDurn]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

If he isn’t drafted (or we don’t get a pick in the 2nd round), Sims would be a great guy to bring in for the Summer League and training camp. He was far and away the best big man on the Texas team that had Kai Jones and Greg Brown this year, and played behind Mo Bamba his freshman year and Jaxson Hayes his sophomore year. Sims just learned how to play solid, smart ball, instead of the flashy inconsistent games of the other 4 guys. His senior year, he shot almost 70% from the field, because he plays within himself and takes smart shots. He did well at the Combine, both with physical measurements (his vertical was something like 42”, which is crazy at his height), and did well in the scrimmages.

I’d love to get him in, and see what he has…….

Moses Wright is another guy to look at. ACC Player of the Year, and those guys tend to be underrated and overlooked when they’re upperclassmen (Josh Howard and Malcolm Bronson are examples of this……)

[GSWFan1994]

Interesting takes from CBS Sports on who will have the best careers as opposed to who will be taken highest.

Not certain I agree, but it's a different perspective.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

Man, what was that? All over the place. Makes no sense at multiple levels.

Some players are extremely overdrafted (Ziaire at 6, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl at 9, Dosunmu at 11), while others are extremely underdrafted (Kuminga at 13, Sengun at 18, Wagner at 19, Moody at 26).

Even if you take into account his rationale that he's mocking purely at players with the highest chance of having the best career, this makes no sense.

It isn't just a specific player who is more or less, let's say, out of the box regarding to argument, there are multiple instances where his linear thinking doesn't make sense. At least from my point of view.

For us, we get 2 combo guards, and we already have Poole on the roster. What's the use?

I understand it's a "different perspective", but it has to make sense in itself, at least. A semblance of internal coherence. And this doesn't.

This mock, far & away, takes the "Sheet Hits the Fan" NBA Mock Draft International Open of 2021.

PS: just to make it clear, it's nothing against your post, I appreciate you bringing this to the forum so we can keep the discussion going & honing our draft-related craft.

[GSWFan1994]

Why such a strong no?

Most of the advanced stats show he's better than anyone else in the current warriors roster not named Steph or Draymond. He's a steady ballhandler (almost 3 ast/tov ratio) that can shoot 3s and defend 3 positions due to his decent size. Maybe Sac could send in an extra second rounder to sweeten the pot, but Delon seems to me like the perfect Steph backup and a great running mate for Poole in the second unit. Isn't that what we'd be hoping to get from someone like Mitchell?

In any case, I'd definitely like to know what you think would be good compensation for trading down within the top 10. I mean we still would be getting an excellent pick back, right?

Because you don't trade down there at the top of the draft for just a role player which can be acquired easily via other means (trade exception, 3-way, MLE, etc).

As I said above, I like Delon Wright (rated him highly when he was about to be drafted, some years ago - I think I had him at the end of the lottery), and I really think he would work well for us.

But this trade proposal isn't fair. What would make it enticing for me is if we can add a pick swap for next season's picks (ours/theirs), without restrictions. Add this and I would LOVE this proposal.

[GSWFan1994]

I have been digging in on Bouknight since the combine and his rising up the boards on some mocks and I am curious to see how you all view him compared to Keon Johnson. I know there may be strong negative opinions on both of them and that you have no interest in drafting them and would rather have Moody but I am curious to see how you rate them. I had Keon Johnson 8th on my first top 15 and Bouk didn't even make the list and now I would have him ahead of Keon.

I'm warming up on Bouknight. Every draft has a fast riser and this year's it seems like it's him.

I never warmed up to Moody. I can't put my finger on it exactly, he just seems stiff to me.

I will never warm up to Keon. He's small for a SG, and has bad shooting numbers. That's a bad combo in my book.

[whatisacenter]

I have been digging in on Bouknight since the combine and his rising up the boards on some mocks and I am curious to see how you all view him compared to Keon Johnson. I know there may be strong negative opinions on both of them and that you have no interest in drafting them and would rather have Moody but I am curious to see how you rate them. I had Keon Johnson 8th on my first top 15 and Bouk didn't even make the list and now I would have him ahead of Keon.

I'm warming up on Bouknight. Every draft has a fast riser and this year's it seems like it's him.

I never warmed up to Moody. I can't put my finger on it exactly, he just seems stiff to me.

I will never warm up to Keon. He's small for a SG, and has bad shooting numbers. That's a bad combo in my book.

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

[wco81]

Podcast compared I’m to Bridges after Bridges had a big Finals Game 2.

Can shoot, defend any anything else is a big bonus. Supposedly Mussleman is caping big time for Moody.

[Onus]

I have been digging in on Bouknight since the combine and his rising up the boards on some mocks and I am curious to see how you all view him compared to Keon Johnson. I know there may be strong negative opinions on both of them and that you have no interest in drafting them and would rather have Moody but I am curious to see how you rate them. I had Keon Johnson 8th on my first top 15 and Bouk didn't even make the list and now I would have him ahead of Keon.

I'm warming up on Bouknight. Every draft has a fast riser and this year's it seems like it's him.

I never warmed up to Moody. I can't put my finger on it exactly, he just seems stiff to me.

I will never warm up to Keon. He's small for a SG, and has bad shooting numbers. That's a bad combo in my book.

Bouknight also is small and has bad shooting numbers :shrug:

[FNQ]

I have been digging in on Bouknight since the combine and his rising up the boards on some mocks and I am curious to see how you all view him compared to Keon Johnson. I know there may be strong negative opinions on both of them and that you have no interest in drafting them and would rather have Moody but I am curious to see how you rate them. I had Keon Johnson 8th on my first top 15 and Bouk didn't even make the list and now I would have him ahead of Keon.

I'm warming up on Bouknight. Every draft has a fast riser and this year's it seems like it's him.

I never warmed up to Moody. I can't put my finger on it exactly, he just seems stiff to me.

I will never warm up to Keon. He's small for a SG, and has bad shooting numbers. That's a bad combo in my book.

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

[Onus]

This is where deanondraft’s shot creation skill is being overvalued. It’s great that bouknight can create his own shot, but not being able to do so efficiently should be a bad sign. Let’s say he was on a better team and didn’t have an injury what is his efficiency going to be? Probably around avg ts% rather than below avg, that’s still not good. Volume shot creation is only good when you can score at elite efficiency unless you like Russell Westbrook. Get me a guy who knows his role and can fulfill that role at an elite rate.

[Onus]

I really want Wagner.

[osx28]

Why such a strong no?

Most of the advanced stats show he's better than anyone else in the current warriors roster not named Steph or Draymond. He's a steady ballhandler (almost 3 ast/tov ratio) that can shoot 3s and defend 3 positions due to his decent size. Maybe Sac could send in an extra second rounder to sweeten the pot, but Delon seems to me like the perfect Steph backup and a great running mate for Poole in the second unit. Isn't that what we'd be hoping to get from someone like Mitchell?

In any case, I'd definitely like to know what you think would be good compensation for trading down within the top 10. I mean we still would be getting an excellent pick back, right?

Because you don't trade down there at the top of the draft for just a role player which can be acquired easily via other means (trade exception, 3-way, MLE, etc).

As I said above, I like Delon Wright (rated him highly when he was about to be drafted, some years ago - I think I had him at the end of the lottery), and I really think he would work well for us.

But this trade proposal isn't fair. What would make it enticing for me is if we can add a pick swap for next season's picks (ours/theirs), without restrictions. Add this and I would LOVE this proposal.

I think we disagree on the value of moving up/down in the draft. I would absolutely love the pick swap you propose, but there 0% chance Sacramento would do that no matter who was available at 7. Trading up 2 spots in this draft in exchange for possibly dropping 15+ spots by going from the another top 10 pick next year to something like the 26th pick? No smart GM would do that, then again who knows with Sacramento.

I also don't think we could get anyone better than Delon in this current FA market and how little wiggle room we have in the salary cap to make trades.