Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

HumbleRen · Post #1001 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:24 am

Team Suggs over here, this is a guards league and I don’t want a natural 2 being our floor general for the foreseeable future !

Bring Suggs home

Bruin · Post #1002 » by **Bruin** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:25 am

Also you guys need to consider that Suggs measurements aren’t recent since he didn’t go to the combine. Chances are he’s grown a bit since then

In fact the latest I find him actually being measured is 2018

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-suggs/

Suggs measured 6’3 barefoot, 6’4 in shoes, 194 lbs, with a 6’5 wingspan, and a 8’3 standing reach in mid 2018

720 · Post #1003 » by **720** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:29 am

Suggs just does so much on the court. I don't know what's not to like about him. I guess he isn't the sexy pick and maybe he hasn't shown the ability to be an elite shot creator like Green but those are things he can develop. It's not like we're getting a guy who doesn't have the intangibles. He has all the tools to develop into a star.

I'll be happy with anyone in that second tier of Mobley, Green, and Suggs but I can't lie. I feel like Suggs opens up a lot of avenues for us as a team that I don't think Mobley can, at least not right away. If we get Mobley I hope I'm wrong.

Bruin · Post #1004 » by **Bruin** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:33 am

Ayayi is reportedly 6’5” and Kispert is 6’7.25” based on the combine

Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually closer to 6’5” now than 6’4”. I wish he would’ve gone to the combine so we’d actually know what his updated measurements are

Regardless of what his actual measurements are, he’s got more than enough size for a PG and will have no issues when it comes to his body. He’s taller and built better than the majority of the players in the league at his position

HKBOY · Post #1005 » by **HKBOY** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:37 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:Monta Ellis doesn't play in the league anymore so he doesn't qualify. Sabonis, Hayward and Griffin are good examples of solid offensive players, but they are terrible on the defensive end partly due to their physical limitations ie small wingspan.

Randle ftr stand 6'8" and has a 7' wingspan. He doesn't qualify as someone with "gator arms" or small wingspan.

I don’t see why Monta doesn’t qualify just cause he doesn’t play anymore. He was still an effective NBA player not long ago

Hayward isn’t a bad defender btw

And defense isn’t really a concern with Suggs so it’s kind of a pointless argument

Btw Kyle also has a short wingspan and is a great defender and the Groat

My question was about current NBA players, which I made clear. Lowry again like CP3 has a large wingspan relative to his height also has some pretty large hands which is beneficial.

FVV is undersized even for a PG and he has a short wingspan too. Yet, he is still one of the best defenders in the NBA. Suggs will be fine.

ciueli · Post #1006 » by **ciueli** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:42 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:[
CP3 is 6'0 with a 6'5" wingspan. He's actually very long in comparison to his height. Suggs is 6' 4" with a 6' 5" wingspan.

Curry is the greatest shooter of all time, which makes up for wingspan. Butler is a good example, but even he has a 6' 7" wingspan.

Chris Paul has a 6'4" wingspan, not 6"5", Suggs is 3 inches taller and has a 1" better wingspan. And while we're throwing around numbers, Suggs has an 8'3" standing reach while Chris Paul's is 7'9".

WuTang_OG · Post #1007 » by **WuTang_OG** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:43 am

PrinceAli wrote:Ayayi is reportedly 6’5” and Kispert is 6’7.25” based on the combine

Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually closer to 6’5” now than 6’4”. I wish he would’ve gone to the combine so we’d actually know what his updated measurements are

Regardless of what his actual measurements are, he’s got more than enough size for a PG and will have no issues when it comes to his body. He’s tall and built more than the average point guard

has elite size either way at PG. Tf are we talking about here? TD derailing thread again with nonsense

Bruin · Post #1008 » by **Bruin** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:44 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:Ayayi is reportedly 6’5” and Kispert is 6’7.25” based on the combine

Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s actually closer to 6’5” now than 6’4”. I wish he would’ve gone to the combine so we’d actually know what his updated measurements are

Regardless of what his actual measurements are, he’s got more than enough size for a PG and will have no issues when it comes to his body. He’s tall and built more than the average point guard

has elite size either way at PG. Tf are we talking about here? TD derailing thread again with nonsense

Exactly. Even if his measurements from quite a while ago haven’t changed at all, he’s still big for a PG. He’ll have no issues on either end when it comes to size

Son Goku 25 · Post #1009 » by **Son Goku 25** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:45 am

Built like a football player I just can't go back to having soft ass pg after Lowry man lol I'm also tired of having a short backcourt

PhilBlackson · Post #1010 » by **PhilBlackson** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:46 am

The only issue is Fred in about 2 years is gonna find it crazy ironic he was the "lucky charm" that brought in his replacement :lol:

So Clutch · Post #1011 » by **So Clutch** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:47 am

simple_jack wrote:
C_Money wrote:Suggs and Roy don’t even play the same position. You’re comparing them because they look similar lol.

Nah they actually have similar games

Not really. Cade’s more similar to Roy than Suggs.

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Son Goku 25 · Post #1012 » by **Son Goku 25** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:49 am

Ya I just don't get the Roy comparison at all. Roy was like Kobe in a way scoring wise while Suggs is more Kidd and Westbrook.

So Clutch · Post #1013 » by **So Clutch** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:50 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
M3tro wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:Wade has 6" longer wingspan than gator arm Suggs. Suggs will be good, but he won't be anywhere close to D Wade.

I'm not comparing the two players, I'm comparing the situation.

4th pick. A stud big-man and a guard that's rated slightly lower than the other top prospects.

Mobley looks amazing, but long-term I think Suggs ends up the better pro.

Name me a star NBA player currently in the league with gator arms. I can't honestly think of any, so for me Suggs will be good, but he won't be a superstar due to his length issues.

Kyle Lowry has a 6’2 wingspan at 6’. Suggs is 6’4 with a 6’5 wingspan. You’re getting too caught up with one measurement.

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Tor_Raps · Post #1014 » by **Tor_Raps** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:51 am

So when do the real candidates for the 4th pick workout for us? I haven't heard anything about that. Would love to see Green/Suggs matchup.

Bruin · Post #1015 » by **Bruin** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:53 am

Tor_Raps wrote:So when do the real candidates for the 4th pick workout for us? I haven't heard anything about that. Would love to see Green/Suggs matchup.

Dont remember where I saw it but I think we’re gonna start bringing in the high prospects this week

So Clutch · Post #1016 » by **So Clutch** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:53 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:CP3 is 6'0 with a 6'5" wingspan. He's actually very long in comparison to his height. Suggs is 6' 4" with a 6' 5" wingspan.

Curry is the greatest shooter of all time, which makes up for wingspan. Butler is a good example, but even he has a 6' 7" wingspan.

Butler is 6’7” with a 6’8” wingspan. So basically by ratio, it’s even worse than Suggs. And yet he’s an elite defender

Yes I agreed Butler was the exception here. Still, as you can tell the list is extremely limited and it appears to effect these players more on the defensive end than anywhere else. Slightly concerning when you're looking for a star at #4.

You asked for examples. People have you examples. Now you add some other rationale about Butler being an exception and Curry being a shooter. Wingspan does not make a player. Maybe if he was undersized at this position, it’d be a bigger deal. He has great size and athleticism for a PG, and you’re nitpicking about his +1 wingspan.

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So Clutch · Post #1017 » by **So Clutch** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:56 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:Monta Ellis doesn't play in the league anymore so he doesn't qualify. Sabonis, Hayward and Griffin are good examples of solid offensive players, but they are terrible on the defensive end partly due to their physical limitations ie small wingspan.

Randle ftr stand 6'8" and has a 7' wingspan. He doesn't qualify as someone with "gator arms" or small wingspan.

I don’t see why Monta doesn’t qualify just cause he doesn’t play anymore. He was still an effective NBA player not long ago

Hayward isn’t a bad defender btw

And defense isn’t really a concern with Suggs so it’s kind of a pointless argument

Btw Kyle also has a short wingspan and is a great defender and the Groat

My question was about current NBA players, which I made clear. Lowry again like CP3 has a large wingspan relative to his height also has some pretty large hands which is beneficial.

Your argument makes no sense. He’s literally 4 inches taller than Kyle, with a 3 inch larger wingspan at the same position. However, because his ratio is lower, he’s somehow disadvantaged. But if Suggs kept his 6’5 wingspan and shrank his height to 6’2, you’d be raving about his amazing +3 wingspan right? Lmao. Jesus, people have no common sense.

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Mehar · Post #1018 » by **Mehar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:05 am

PrinceAli wrote:Also you guys need to consider that Suggs measurements aren’t recent since he didn’t go to the combine. Chances are he’s grown a bit since then

In fact the latest I find him actually being measured is 2018

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-suggs/
Suggs measured 6’3 barefoot, 6’4 in shoes, 194 lbs, with a 6’5 wingspan, and a 8’3 standing reach in mid 2018

Suggs has grown at least an inch since 2018. In one of the Gonzana games I saw earlier this year, the announcers mentioned Suggs being 6 foot 4 without shoes, and 6 foot 5 in shoes. He is an inch less than Green, who is 6 foot 6 in shoes. So, Suggs has good size for the PG position. He will be 4 inches taller than Lowry, the greatest Raptor ever. His height should not be an issue.

720 · Post #1019 » by **720** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:15 am

Imagine if Suggs hit a second growth spurt and ended up 6 foot 7 before the draft. His stock go up? :lol:

Yeezus_ · Post #1020 » by **Yeezus_** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:26 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:Monta Ellis doesn't play in the league anymore so he doesn't qualify. Sabonis, Hayward and Griffin are good examples of solid offensive players, but they are terrible on the defensive end partly due to their physical limitations ie small wingspan.

Randle ftr stand 6'8" and has a 7' wingspan. He doesn't qualify as someone with "gator arms" or small wingspan.

I don’t see why Monta doesn’t qualify just cause he doesn’t play anymore. He was still an effective NBA player not long ago

Hayward isn’t a bad defender btw

And defense isn’t really a concern with Suggs so it’s kind of a pointless argument

Btw Kyle also has a short wingspan and is a great defender and the Groat

My question was about current NBA players, which I made clear. Lowry again like CP3 has a large wingspan relative to his height also has some pretty large hands which is beneficial.

His wingspan relative to height might not be the greatest but does it really matter when he’s looking like a 6’4 PG? It’s not like he’s 6’ with a 6’1 wingspan. He’s already got solid size for the position.