Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[nykballa2k4]

They can have Knox and our 2021 firsts.

Really?

If we max Sexton, that puts us out of reach to sign anyone really outright going forward ( which is fine, trades are always an option). but that puts a cap on us. Typically a team does not trade a franchise point guard for that sort of package. So what do we know that they dont?

My big caveat with all things Sexton is that Thibs needs to sign off. He needs to be confident that he can coach Sexton. If he doesn't then we don't strike. The other big difference is that the Cavs have a glut of excellent young guards and may grab another in the draft whereas we have a clear hole and a coach that values a scoring point. Then we have a year to try him out.

If 19 and 21 can get Sexton that means no other team was willing to pay more and max the kid. It reminds me of when we got Jamal Crawford for Frank Williams among other minor assets. Yeah it didn't seem like we were paying much, but we really didn't get what we were hoping for and ultimately it cost us more that it cost them.

[3toheadmelo]

Scorers as accomplished as Sexton, at his age, are exceedingly rare. Sexton became just the 16th player in NBA history to average 24 or more points on a true shooting percentage of 57 or higher at age 22 or younger last season. Every other player on that list went on to become an All-Star. Many will make the Hall of Fame, and others started their careers under similar circumstances. Players like Devin Booker and Trae Young scored at that historic level, but because they played for bad teams, they weren't given the credit they deserved in the process. This season, Booker and Young played for contending rosters and were among the best players in the postseason as a result. In theory, the same could be true for Sexton if he is traded to the right team.

[-YogiBiz-]

Really?

If we max Sexton, that puts us out of reach to sign anyone really outright going forward ( which is fine, trades are always an option). but that puts a cap on us. Typically a team does not trade a franchise point guard for that sort of package. So what do we know that they dont?

My big caveat with all things Sexton is that Thibs needs to sign off. He needs to be confident that he can coach Sexton. If he doesn't then we don't strike. The other big difference is that the Cavs have a glut of excellent young guards and may grab another in the draft whereas we have a clear hole and a coach that values a scoring point. Then we have a year to try him out.

If 19 and 21 can get Sexton that means no other team was willing to pay more and max the kid. It reminds me of when we got Jamal Crawford for Frank Williams among other minor assets. Yeah it didn't seem like we were paying much, but we really didn't get what we were hoping for and ultimately it cost us more that it cost them.

Apparently it's being reported by some Cavs Beat Writer that no team wants to give Sexton a Max as soon as he comes to town. If we trade for him, he'd have to prove he's a max guy.

[nykballa2k4]

My big caveat with all things Sexton is that Thibs needs to sign off. He needs to be confident that he can coach Sexton. If he doesn't then we don't strike. The other big difference is that the Cavs have a glut of excellent young guards and may grab another in the draft whereas we have a clear hole and a coach that values a scoring point. Then we have a year to try him out.

If 19 and 21 can get Sexton that means no other team was willing to pay more and max the kid. It reminds me of when we got Jamal Crawford for Frank Williams among other minor assets. Yeah it didn't seem like we were paying much, but we really didn't get what we were hoping for and ultimately it cost us more that it cost them.

Apparently it's being reported by some Cavs Beat Writer that no team wants to give Sexton a Max as soon as he comes to town. If we trade for him, he'd have to prove he's a max guy.

I don't see how that helps. Sexton is under team control for 2 more years (with the QO). If a team, say Philly, wants him on a prove-it deal they could offer some of their kids, picks and then give him a QO and match what he gets. PHX may want to ask Paul to stay, they can take Sexton as part of a succession plan. If Sexton is any good, teams would be trading higher value assets IMO than what we are offering. If we are the highest bidder with 19 and 21 it's for a a good reason. He probably is not our answer at point guard. FWIW, trading 19 and 21 this year for him is probably the dumbest thing we can do because we can just maintain our cap space and sign him for free next year or be part of a sign and trade.

Get a rental some other way, sign Sexton next year for free. done.

[thebuzzardman]

If 19 and 21 can get Sexton that means no other team was willing to pay more and max the kid. It reminds me of when we got Jamal Crawford for Frank Williams among other minor assets. Yeah it didn't seem like we were paying much, but we really didn't get what we were hoping for and ultimately it cost us more that it cost them.

Apparently it's being reported by some Cavs Beat Writer that no team wants to give Sexton a Max as soon as he comes to town. If we trade for him, he'd have to prove he's a max guy.

I don't see how that helps. Sexton is under team control for 2 more years (with the QO). If a team, say Philly, wants him on a prove-it deal they could offer some of their kids, picks and then give him a QO and match what he gets. PHX may want to ask Paul to stay, they can take Sexton as part of a succession plan. If Sexton is any good, teams would be trading higher value assets IMO than what we are offering. If we are the highest bidder with 19 and 21 it's for a a good reason. He probably is not our answer at point guard. FWIW, trading 19 and 21 this year for him is probably the dumbest thing we can do because we can just maintain our cap space and sign him for free next year or be part of a sign and trade.

Get a rental some other way, sign Sexton next year for free. done.

Wrinkles like this make me glad we have Brock Aller.

He'll either advocate the same, or at least he'd bring this up in negotiations and it may cause the Cavs to take what the Knicks offer so they can move on.

[nykballa2k4]

Apparently it's being reported by some Cavs Beat Writer that no team wants to give Sexton a Max as soon as he comes to town. If we trade for him, he'd have to prove he's a max guy.

I don't see how that helps. Sexton is under team control for 2 more years (with the QO). If a team, say Philly, wants him on a prove-it deal they could offer some of their kids, picks and then give him a QO and match what he gets. PHX may want to ask Paul to stay, they can take Sexton as part of a succession plan. If Sexton is any good, teams would be trading higher value assets IMO than what we are offering. If we are the highest bidder with 19 and 21 it's for a a good reason. He probably is not our answer at point guard. FWIW, trading 19 and 21 this year for him is probably the dumbest thing we can do because we can just maintain our cap space and sign him for free next year or be part of a sign and trade.

Get a rental some other way, sign Sexton next year for free. done.

Wrinkles like this make me glad we have Brock Aller.

He'll either advocate the same, or at least he'd bring this up in negotiations and it may cause the Cavs to take what the Knicks offer so they can move on.

If it's at that point, than I think we actually pay less, perhaps 19, 32 and Knox OR we trade '22 and sign and trade Frank to the Cavs.
Frank (sign and trade, something obviously affordable), Knox, '22, maybe Mavs '23 for Sexton, Osman, Prince. Cavs bring down their salary, we get the kind of guys we were looking for anyway. We mortgage some of the future, but we don't waste our scouting efforts over the past few months.

[Capn'O]

Really?

If we max Sexton, that puts us out of reach to sign anyone really outright going forward ( which is fine, trades are always an option). but that puts a cap on us. Typically a team does not trade a franchise point guard for that sort of package. So what do we know that they dont?

My big caveat with all things Sexton is that Thibs needs to sign off. He needs to be confident that he can coach Sexton. If he doesn't then we don't strike. The other big difference is that the Cavs have a glut of excellent young guards and may grab another in the draft whereas we have a clear hole and a coach that values a scoring point. Then we have a year to try him out.

If 19 and 21 can get Sexton that means no other team was willing to pay more and max the kid. It reminds me of when we got Jamal Crawford for Frank Williams among other minor assets. Yeah it didn't seem like we were paying much, but we really didn't get what we were hoping for and ultimately it cost us more that it cost them.

Crawford turned out to be a pretty valuable piece for teams that needed his skillset. In fact, the Knicks originally got him to back up Houston, where he would have been much more effective. The key is finding a player who will excel in the provided role. Could be Sexton or not... but if he buys into Thibs we could see a guard lineup of him, Lonzo, and Quick that would be a massive upgrade.

[Jeffrey]

If Love wants out. Would you attach Love with Sexton to pay a little less?

Sexton (remember he is looking for max deal)
Love (2 years 30+ mil per year)

for

Dal 2021, 2023 FRP
Knox
Knicks 2022 SRP

[iLLmatic860]

Hard pass on Signing Sexton to a max

[rajajackal]

hard pass

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Heat and Lakers are interested in trading for him.



Knicks fans = Hard pass!

[Capn'O]

Heat and Lakers are interested in trading for him.



Knicks fans = Hard pass!

And us

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Heat interest has me even more piqued since Thibs is like Riley's long lost cousin in terms of what they value.

[Capn'O]

If presti ponies up we're SOL.

[sol537]

Get Lowry for 2-years, instead.

[DaGawd]

Get Sexton instead

[DOT]

Actually, going over the math, so long as we don't sign anyone to more than a 1 year deal this offseason, we could go into 2022 free agency with Sexton/Randle/RJ plus whatever we don't trade to get him and 41 million in cap space, cause Sexton's cap hold would only be 19 million, and we can wait to re-sign him til we sign a max guy (if one's available)

So if you think we can get him for cheap, and we could convince a max FA to come here next offseason, there's absolutely no reason not to trade for him

It just comes down to how much the Cavs want for him.

[DaGawd]

Look at Sexton’s scoring trajectory so far in his early career.. for a team like us whose in dire need of reliable scorers he’s a hand and glove fit imo. This kid might flirt with averaging 30 a few times in his career based off early projections

[DOT]

Heat and Lakers are interested in trading for him.



Knicks fans = Hard pass!

And us

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Heat interest has me even more piqued since Thibs is like Riley's long lost cousin in terms of what they value.

Reading that though, I don't see the point in trading for him if we're gonna give them RJ and take back Love to do so

It means that we'd be locked in to a Sexton/Randle duo with no money until 2023, meaning we'd basically be relying on internal development to find another star player, which would be unlikely. I mean, I love IQ, but Quick/Sexton is just a worse version of Garland/Sexton, and that backcourt hasn't have much success.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Get Lowry for 2-years, instead.

And if he goes somewhere else?

[Capn'O]

Heat and Lakers are interested in trading for him.



Knicks fans = Hard pass!

And us

Read on Twitter

Heat interest has me even more piqued since Thibs is like Riley's long lost cousin in terms of what they value.

Reading that though, I don't see the point in trading for him if we're gonna give them RJ and take back Love to do so

It means that we'd be locked in to a Sexton/Randle duo with no money until 2023, meaning we'd basically be relying on internal development to find another star player, which would be unlikely. I mean, I love IQ, but Quick/Sexton is just a worse version of Garland/Sexton, and that backcourt hasn't have much success.

That's not a good deal for us for sure.