Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[moss_is_1]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Agreed 100%. If we can get him for cheap with guys like Beasley, Rubio, Juancho, then fine. I don't want to give up a bunch of picks, and definitely not going to trade Edwards or McDaniels for him. I'm tired of giving up future picks. If we're strapping ourselves by having 3 max deals, we need those to find young and cheap talent. Okogie, Reid, Nowell, Culver. I know the 76ers will want more, but that's fine. I don't think Simmons would be best utilized here with KAT, Edwards, and Dlo all needing the ball already.

[Klomp]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Agreed 100%. If we can get him for cheap with guys like Beasley, Rubio, Juancho, then fine. I don't want to give up a bunch of picks, and definitely not going to trade Edwards or McDaniels for him. I'm tired of giving up future picks. If we're strapping ourselves by having 3 max deals, we need those to find young and cheap talent. Okogie, Reid, Nowell, Culver. I know the 76ers will want more, but that's fine. I don't think Simmons would be best utilized here with KAT, Edwards, and Dlo all needing the ball already.

Two of those are a second rounder and undrafted. Don't need 1sts to find young and cheap talent.

[moss_is_1]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Agreed 100%. If we can get him for cheap with guys like Beasley, Rubio, Juancho, then fine. I don't want to give up a bunch of picks, and definitely not going to trade Edwards or McDaniels for him. I'm tired of giving up future picks. If we're strapping ourselves by having 3 max deals, we need those to find young and cheap talent. Okogie, Reid, Nowell, Culver. I know the 76ers will want more, but that's fine. I don't think Simmons would be best utilized here with KAT, Edwards, and Dlo all needing the ball already.

Two of those are a second rounder and undrafted. Don't need 1sts to find young and cheap talent.

I understand that, need all the shots possible is what I'm saying though. If we're trading away most of our future for a player so flawed, while our other 2 max players are also very flawed then you'd better have confidence in it coming together.

[Baseline81]

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[jpatrick]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

[SO_MONEY]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

I wouldn't trade McDaniels for Simmons straight up given his salary and limitations. McDaniels has more value to us given he can shoot and projects as an elite defender (if not already) and he is cheap. I hope Rosas understands McDaniels is a stud and a keeper, a player to build around. I would have to think he gets this.

[Nick K]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Did you notice how many +1's you have?

I couldn't agree more. Looks like many others agree too.

[Nick K]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

I wouldn't trade McDaniels for Simmons straight up given his salary and limitations. McDaniels has more value to us given he can shoot and projects as an elite defender (if not already) and he is cheap. I hope Rosas understands McDaniels is a stud and a keeper, a player to build around. I would have to think he gets this.

No one was a bigger Simmons fan than me coming out of the draft. The guy has not improved one iota since.

I really believe McD will be a better over all player than Simmons in 2-3 years. He is untouchable in my book. McD will be a great SF.

[SO_MONEY]

Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

I wouldn't trade McDaniels for Simmons straight up given his salary and limitations. McDaniels has more value to us given he can shoot and projects as an elite defender (if not already) and he is cheap. I hope Rosas understands McDaniels is a stud and a keeper, a player to build around. I would have to think he gets this.

No one was a bigger Simmons fan than me coming out of the draft. The guy has not improved one iota since.

I really believe McD will be a better over all player than Simmons in 2-3 years. He is untouchable in my book. McD will be a great SF.

This.

[Dewey]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

I’m not against bringing in Simmons via trade… But I do fear our willingness to overpay with future assets - specifically draft picks. Simmons can help though overpaid, but I’d still move Beasley/Rubio for him and call it a day. Not big on adding in much else. See where that takes us for a year and go from there…

[Krapinsky]

The Simmons hate has gone a little overboard here. Did he do poorly in the spotlight of the playoffs? Totally. But he still helped get his team there, which is more so than any Wolves player can say this side of the millennium outside of Jimmy Butler.

Simmons is a three-time all star, all-NBA third teamer, and all defense first teamer. McDaniel's has shown some glimpses of promise sure but he hasn't shown anything close to that level of promise no matter what flavor of koolaid you're drinking.

Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, McDaniels, and Two #1's is probably what we would have to offer and I still think Philadephia says no because they would be much better off trading him for a package with a star player coming back in return in order to keep them in title contention.

As an aside, I'm not sure how we'd be able to pay Towns, Simmons, Ant, and D-Lo all at the same time but I suppose we can worry about that problem later.

[Neeva]

They aint getring mcdaniels the biggest steal in last years draft. Nice one.

[SO_MONEY]

The Simmons hate has gone a little overboard here. Did he do poorly in the spotlight of the playoffs? Totally. But he still helped get his team there, which is more so than any Wolves player can say this side of the millennium outside of Jimmy Butler.

Simmons is a three-time all star, all-NBA third teamer, and all defense first teamer. McDaniel's has shown some glimpses of promise sure but he hasn't shown anything close to that level of promise no matter what flavor of koolaid you're drinking.

Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, McDaniels, and Two #1's is probably what we would have to offer and I still think Philadephia says no because they would be much better off trading him for a package with a star player coming back in return in order to keep them in title contention.

As an aside, I'm not sure how we'd be able to pay Towns, Simmons, Ant, and D-Lo all at the same time but I suppose we can worry about that problem later.

I don't think Simmons is worthy of being an all-star and probably benefited from market size when named. He has demonstrated what he is and it is not awful, but at 35mil I am not going heap praise on the guy and would rather keep the MUCH cheaper option that can shoot and already based on several metrics was a top defensive player as a rookie. And BTW McDaniels doesn't need to be an "all-star" or whatever to be more beneficial to us...this is not apples to apples, there is a MASSIVE difference in salary. Again, I take the cheaper guy that can shoot. I don't really value Simmons playing making because I don't want the ball in his hands...just saying.

Simmons is also not getting a star in return without attaching tons of value, Simmons is only a star in name and I feel people are wise to that.

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That last graph is the key. There's a difference between off-limits and "wouldn't include in deal for specific player." Just because McDaniels or Russell are not off-limits doesn't mean they'll be in the trade.

[Klomp]

The Simmons hate has gone a little overboard here. Did he do poorly in the spotlight of the playoffs? Totally. But he still helped get his team there, which is more so than any Wolves player can say this side of the millennium outside of Jimmy Butler.

Simmons is a three-time all star, all-NBA third teamer, and all defense first teamer. McDaniel's has shown some glimpses of promise sure but he hasn't shown anything close to that level of promise no matter what flavor of koolaid you're drinking.

Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, McDaniels, and Two #1's is probably what we would have to offer and I still think Philadephia says no because they would be much better off trading him for a package with a star player coming back in return in order to keep them in title contention.

As an aside, I'm not sure how we'd be able to pay Towns, Simmons, Ant, and D-Lo all at the same time but I suppose we can worry about that problem later.

I don't think Simmons is worthy of being an all-star and probably benefited from market size when named. He has demonstrated what he is and it is not awful, but at 35mil I am not going heap praise on the guy and would rather keep the MUCH cheaper option that can shoot and already based on several metrics was a top defensive player as a rookie. And BTW McDaniels doesn't need to be an "all-star" or whatever to be more beneficial to us...this is not apples to apples, there is a MASSIVE difference in salary. Again, I take the cheaper guy that can shoot. I don't really value Simmons playing making because I don't want the ball in his hands...just saying.

You think coaches care about market size when picking reserves?

As for "not awful".....

On Tuesday night, by virtue of his 20-point, 11-rebound, nine-assist effort, Simmons became the second fastest player in NBA history to join an exclusive club: 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 1,000 assists.

The young Aussie entered the contest with 1,993 points, and broke the 2,000-point threshold on a free throw with 3:59 remaining in the game’s second quarter.

At that moment, Simmons became the second fastest player to reach the milestone, trailing only Oscar Robertson. It took Simmons just 125 games to join the club, nine games faster than Magic Johnson and 33 games faster than Simmons’ friend, LeBron James.

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/17/ben-simmons-became-2nd-fastest-in-nba-history-to-join-exclusive-club/

[SO_MONEY]

The Simmons hate has gone a little overboard here. Did he do poorly in the spotlight of the playoffs? Totally. But he still helped get his team there, which is more so than any Wolves player can say this side of the millennium outside of Jimmy Butler.

Simmons is a three-time all star, all-NBA third teamer, and all defense first teamer. McDaniel's has shown some glimpses of promise sure but he hasn't shown anything close to that level of promise no matter what flavor of koolaid you're drinking.

Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, McDaniels, and Two #1's is probably what we would have to offer and I still think Philadephia says no because they would be much better off trading him for a package with a star player coming back in return in order to keep them in title contention.

As an aside, I'm not sure how we'd be able to pay Towns, Simmons, Ant, and D-Lo all at the same time but I suppose we can worry about that problem later.

I don't think Simmons is worthy of being an all-star and probably benefited from market size when named. He has demonstrated what he is and it is not awful, but at 35mil I am not going heap praise on the guy and would rather keep the MUCH cheaper option that can shoot and already based on several metrics was a top defensive player as a rookie. And BTW McDaniels doesn't need to be an "all-star" or whatever to be more beneficial to us...this is not apples to apples, there is a MASSIVE difference in salary. Again, I take the cheaper guy that can shoot. I don't really value Simmons playing making because I don't want the ball in his hands...just saying.

You think coaches care about market size when picking reserves?

Yes, I think the NBA and "coaches" conciser market size and potential ratings and are on the same page.

[Chello1]

Simmons is a negative contract period. You do not overpay for that. If you deal for him and include two future pics you are locking this roster in for years. I do not like giving up picks and players for negative contracts. Take his name off for a minute and what would you give for him?

he is 16-8-8 on less than 60% on both free throws and shooting percentages and plays good defense.......

We are going to have to vastly overpay to get him so I hope we pass and look at cheaper wiser players like Sexton or Turner to add this summer. In a year we may say we are ready to add a big fish:I hope we keep growing this and keep our doors open on different ways to improve and not tie ourselves to a 30 plus million salary yet!

[Baseline81]

The Simmons hate has gone a little overboard here. Did he do poorly in the spotlight of the playoffs? Totally. But he still helped get his team there, which is more so than any Wolves player can say this side of the millennium outside of Jimmy Butler.

Simmons is a three-time all star, all-NBA third teamer, and all defense first teamer. McDaniel's has shown some glimpses of promise sure but he hasn't shown anything close to that level of promise no matter what flavor of koolaid you're drinking.

Simmons for Rubio, Beasley, McDaniels, and Two #1's is probably what we would have to offer and I still think Philadephia says no because they would be much better off trading him for a package with a star player coming back in return in order to keep them in title contention.

As an aside, I'm not sure how we'd be able to pay Towns, Simmons, Ant, and D-Lo all at the same time but I suppose we can worry about that problem later.

Clearly you do not understand. It's either championship or tank, there is no in between...

Please note this was sarcasm.

[Madd Squabbles]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

Pump up Simmons by saying he isn't going to trade anything of value for him? Bottom line is you have to give something to get something. Getting Simmons will cost ya Edwards.

[Chello1]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

Pump up Simmons by saying he isn't going to trade anything of value for him? Bottom line is you have to give something to get something. Getting Simmons will cost ya Edwards.

Then you quickly hang up and move on. Not in a million years do you give up Antman.....