Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[SelbyCobra]

Can Sexton defend?

Can't say the same about a 6' combo guard w/o a significantly longer wingspan and/or +instincts on that end.

Sexton is 6'2" with a 6'6.5" wingspan. That's a pretty good measurement ratio.

[Chanel Bomber]

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[F N 11]

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lol we never know what the knicks will do.

[BowlRips]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

[nykballa2k4]

They were pretty high on Obi pre-draft a lot of reports had them 50-50 on Okoro and Obi.

I think CLE would have to pay a much higher price to get Loves 60 MM over 2 years off there books.

Say if that deal also includes us taking Love and it's Obi, Knox, first for Sexton, Love. Would you do that one?

I would probably would pass on taking love because a Sexton/Randle/RJ core for the next two years an then you have to eventually pay Sexton and Randle. That doesn't get you where you need to go.

With Colin Sexton and Randle cap holds the following year combining about 40 MM....you probably could still sign a max player or close to it then go over the cap to sign Sexton and Randle. Noah money is finally off the books to clear another 6 MM so if I'm doing the math

Sexton cap hold
Randle cap hold
RJ team option
IQ probably would be the only long term pieces on the roster. You could fit another max with that group. That is the only way I would do it.

Just to add - if you are giving up Toppin and Knox you are giving up any upside those players had in becoming role player/star player, then probably giving up 19, so your better shot at getting a future star (albeit long odds) to just get Sexton. So when you think of getting a "big 3" or really 3 guys who can be reliable scoring threats which seems to be the price of entry for any type of contention, our ceiling is basically welded together (aside from players on roster, it's just our own picks and the Dallas FRP). Cap space at least enables us to sign one more certified all-star. Love kills it and as you are saying, we have no window for signing anyone.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

Is that 42 million with or without the holds?

And who could they get in 2022?

[RandlesCornrows]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Keep building what? Sexton is 22, Obi is about to be 24. Sexton played on an awful Cavs team, and his new team will be under Thibs and Randle. He’ll be 10x better with the Knicks.

No way you can keep Obi when a Randle contract extension is looming…

[mpharris36]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

correct that is why I'm interested in the deal without Love. With Love its less interesting because we would basically have no cap space for another max.

[DaGawd]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Obi is taking us where???

[Celo]

Can Sexton defend?

Can't say the same about a 6' combo guard w/o a significantly longer wingspan and/or +instincts on that end.

Sexton is 6'2" with a 6'6.5" wingspan. That's a pretty good measurement ratio.

According to his NBA profile he's 6'1'', but that's not the point I wanna argue. His ratio is good, you're right. But we're still talking about an undersized guard with an average wingspan. Measurements like that put a certain ceiling on a player.

[Deeeez Knicks]

They were pretty high on Obi pre-draft a lot of reports had them 50-50 on Okoro and Obi.

I think CLE would have to pay a much higher price to get Loves 60 MM over 2 years off there books.

Say if that deal also includes us taking Love and it's Obi, Knox, first for Sexton, Love. Would you do that one?

I would probably would pass on taking love because a Sexton/Randle/RJ core for the next two years an then you have to eventually pay Sexton and Randle. That doesn't get you where you need to go.

With Colin Sexton and Randle cap holds the following year combining about 40 MM....you probably could still sign a max player or close to it then go over the cap to sign Sexton and Randle. Noah money is finally off the books to clear another 6 MM so if I'm doing the math

Sexton cap hold
Randle cap hold
RJ team option
IQ probably would be the only long term pieces on the roster. You could fit another max with that group. That is the only way I would do it.

I agree on that and would not take Love either. It sounds like a few teams are in the talks for Sexton. I just don't buy that Obi/Knox/#19 alone will be enough if theres a bidding war.

I am sure the Cavs want to move on from Love too so it makes sense for them to try to package him with Sexton. Think unless we want to include Quickley, future picks or maybe even RJ that we might have to take back Love to beat other offers.

[F N 11]

I know hes a Thibs point guard, but we should be very careful here.

[TheGreenArrow]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Sextons only 22!!!!!!

Under thibs and co he would flourish!!!!!!

[SelbyCobra]

Can't say the same about a 6' combo guard w/o a significantly longer wingspan and/or +instincts on that end.

Sexton is 6'2" with a 6'6.5" wingspan. That's a pretty good measurement ratio.

According to his NBA profile he's 6'1'', but that's not the point I wanna argue. His ratio is good, you're right. But we're still talking about an undersized guard with an average wingspan. Measurements like that put a certain ceiling on a player.

I don't think his measurements have anything to do with his defensive ceiling - his drive/desire/aptitude/instincts on the defensive end do.

Jrue Holiday is 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan. Sexton has more than enough tools to compete defensively, it's just solely the instincts/desire portion of your initial post, and nothing to do with his wingspan.

[DOT]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

correct that is why I'm interested in the deal without Love. With Love its less interesting because we would basically have no cap space for another max.

Actually, we could stretch Love in 2022. Would mean we'd be paying him until 24-25, but we'd have 32 mil in 2022, assuming we don't sign anyone else

It's not the worst plan I've heard, if we can actually bring in a max guy next offseason.

[F N 11]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Sextons only 22!!!!!!

Under thibs and co he would flourish!!!!!!

I get it, im still pissed we wasted a pick on Obi if we wanted a point guard so bad. Its just a bad look all around.

its Lonzo or Sexton since big money is involved. If you trading for him, you want to pay him big bux. Lets talk numbers since everyone is on board already. Whats Sextons max?

[fatalogic]

If the trade is the rumored Obi, Knox and a 1st sign me up. He's 22 and has the competitive drive and scoring chops to be a lead guard in today's game. Plus with the process we saw from our own players this year I'd bet on him looking much better with our roster and coaching staff. It would be nice to be on the other side of that happening for once.

[BugginOut]

If Thibs wants Sexton and thinks he can make him a winning player then I say go for it. But I’m still kind of high on Obi so I’m hesitant.

If Sexton can give us 6 assists next year and passable defense we’d be dumb to pass on that price.

[louisorr]

Obi was a consensus top ten draft pick / top 5 by many. I don't think he should be lightly thrown into a deal for Sexton. We have to keep in mind Sexton is the best scorer on one of the worst teams in the league and they want to dump him, even with a good chance that Jalen green is off the board before they pick. I think that the red flags are real and worth leveraging. How badly does Cleveland want to move him? That said, he's the closest thing to a young Drose that thibs can get his hands on, so the fit does seem nice. Also, you gotta figure these coaches and players all run in tight circles and any rumors about a kids demeanor or practice habits etc etc are known much more than by us casual fans.

[Capn'O]

Booker, Bridges, and Ayton taking us where??