Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[Celo]

Sexton is 6'2" with a 6'6.5" wingspan. That's a pretty good measurement ratio.

According to his NBA profile he's 6'1'', but that's not the point I wanna argue. His ratio is good, you're right. But we're still talking about an undersized guard with an average wingspan. Measurements like that put a certain ceiling on a player.

I don't think his measurements have anything to do with his defensive ceiling - his drive/desire/aptitude/instincts on the defensive end do.

Jrue Holiday is 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan. Sexton has more than enough tools to compete defensively, it's just solely the instincts/desire portion of your initial post, and nothing to do with his wingspan.

Agree to disagree I guess. Having an average wingspan obviously isn't the end of the story regarding your defensive capabilities. But you can't tell me that it doesn't help having a longer wingspan. And there's a HUGE difference between a guy who's 6'4 with a 6'7 wingspan who also is strong as an ox compared to a 6'1 guard with a 6'5 wingspan who dies on every screen.

Yes, as I said, there is hope for some improvements from Sexton. I personally doubt that it'll be significant ones tho. If you think differently about that, that's totally fine. That's what this forum is for after all: to discuss different opinions

[Deeeez Knicks]

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

correct that is why I'm interested in the deal without Love. With Love its less interesting because we would basically have no cap space for another max.

Actually, we could stretch Love in 2022. Would mean we'd be paying him until 24-25, but we'd have 32 mil in 2022, assuming we don't sign anyone else

It's not the worst plan I've heard, if we can actually bring in a max guy next offseason.

I really hate stretching players. The 10+ year max guys will start at +$41mil so may be tough to fit into the cap too.

Feels like it could all just fall short of being a contending team and then set us back a few years.

[Sprewell4Three]

Sexton is not a point guard , cmon now. Dude is shoot first, 2nd and 3rd

[mpharris36]

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

correct that is why I'm interested in the deal without Love. With Love its less interesting because we would basically have no cap space for another max.

Actually, we could stretch Love in 2022. Would mean we'd be paying him until 24-25, but we'd have 32 mil in 2022, assuming we don't sign anyone else

It's not the worst plan I've heard, if we can actually bring in a max guy next offseason.

you would really have to be certain a star was coming because I'm not trying to have Love on the books for like $10 MM for 3 years.

[robillionaire]

I don’t think they will trade Toppin and are more likely to trade someone like Mitchell Robinson

[Capn'O]

Obi was a consensus top ten draft pick / top 5 by many. I don't think he should be lightly thrown into a deal for Sexton. We have to keep in mind Sexton is the best scorer on one of the worst teams in the league and they want to dump him, even with a good chance that Jalen green is off the board before they pick. I think that the red flags are real and worth leveraging. How badly does Cleveland want to move him? That said, he's the closest thing to a young Drose that thibs can get his hands on, so the fit does seem nice. Also, you gotta figure these coaches and players all run in tight circles and any rumors about a kids demeanor or practice habits etc etc are known much more than by us casual fans.

He doesn't come without risk but there's a very high reward and I think the risk is somewhat mitigated by the fact that if the Knicks make the move it means that Thibs has signed off.

[ItsPajama]

I don’t think they will trade Toppin and are more likely to trade someone like Mitchell Robinson

Obi is gone, Cleveland loved him in last years draft and didn't really want to pass on him but ultimately did obviously

[Capn'O]

correct that is why I'm interested in the deal without Love. With Love its less interesting because we would basically have no cap space for another max.

Actually, we could stretch Love in 2022. Would mean we'd be paying him until 24-25, but we'd have 32 mil in 2022, assuming we don't sign anyone else

It's not the worst plan I've heard, if we can actually bring in a max guy next offseason.

I really hate stretching players. The 10+ year max guys will start at +$41mil so may be tough to fit into the cap too.

Feels like it could all just fall short of being a contending team and then set us back a few years.

Yes. No stretch. Frankly, no Love.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Ye but thats not your final roster..

Going into 2022 would be looking like this..

RJ
Quickley
#19
Randle (caphold)
Sexton (caphold)
Mitch (caphold)

with about $42mil in cap space.

Could add a max level player or two 20mil guys.. If Sexton/RJ take a leap and Randle keeps it up, you have something cooking

Is that 42 million with or without the holds?

And who could they get in 2022?

Zach Lavine would be my first guess but if Klay comes back washed in Golden State, I wouldn't be shocked to see Curry look for greener pastures. Curry is more of a hail mary thing but the guy that comes and saves the Knicks is gonna get a huge boost to their legacy

[DOT]

I really hate stretching players. The 10+ year max guys will start at +$41mil so may be tough to fit into the cap too.

Feels like it could all just fall short of being a contending team and then set us back a few years.

you would really have to be certain a star was coming because I'm not trying to have Love on the books for like $10 MM for 3 years.

Fair

You also have to be certain Sexton is gonna be good enough to be worth it

If he comes without Love, I think you do this deal without hesitating. With Love, I could go either way.

[TheGreenArrow]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Sextons only 22!!!!!!

Under thibs and co he would flourish!!!!!!

I get it, im still pissed we wasted a pick on Obi if we wanted a point guard so bad. Its just a bad look all around.

its Lonzo or Sexton since big money is involved. If you trading for him, you want to pay him big bux. Lets talk numbers since everyone is on board already. Whats Sextons max?

I think his max is in the the 25 mil per range but that’s not factoring in possible all nba/all star appearances!!!!!

But I’d have to think an example would be dearon fox type of extension!!!!!!!!

He did average an efficient 24ppg at age 22!!!!!!!

Just imagine what he do working with johnnie Bryant and being coached by thibs!!!!!!!!

Totally worth the gamble imo!!!!!!!!

[Deeeez Knicks]

I still think you guys are crazy if you think we get Sexton without taking back Love....or we have to pony up some better assets.

[bronxknicksfan1]

There’s people in here that watched us struggle to get buckets all year that are against this?!?!

[SelbyCobra]

According to his NBA profile he's 6'1'', but that's not the point I wanna argue. His ratio is good, you're right. But we're still talking about an undersized guard with an average wingspan. Measurements like that put a certain ceiling on a player.

I don't think his measurements have anything to do with his defensive ceiling - his drive/desire/aptitude/instincts on the defensive end do.

Jrue Holiday is 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan. Sexton has more than enough tools to compete defensively, it's just solely the instincts/desire portion of your initial post, and nothing to do with his wingspan.

Agree to disagree I guess. Having an average wingspan obviously isn't the end of the story regarding your defensive capabilities. But you can't tell me that it doesn't help having a longer wingspan. And there's a HUGE difference between a guy who's 6'4 with a 6'7 wingspan who also is strong as an ox compared to a 6'1 guard with a 6'5 wingspan who dies on every screen.

Yes, as I said, there is hope for some improvements from Sexton. I personally doubt that it'll be significant ones tho. If you think differently about that, that's totally fine. That's what this forum is for after all: to discuss different opinions

We can certainly agree to disagree, but you can't do the bolded nonsense where you just make up numbers. Sexton's wingspan is listed everywhere on the internet as 6'6.5".

And my only point was that your post mentioning his wingspan as a limitation on his defensive ceiling was totally false. He might be limited defensively - which I actually expect and agree with - but his wingspan won't have anything to do with it.

[robillionaire]

I don’t think they will trade Toppin and are more likely to trade someone like Mitchell Robinson

Obi is gone, Cleveland loved him in last years draft and didn't really want to pass on him but ultimately did obviously

So they didn’t love him that much then.

The Knicks loved him so much they wanted to trade up for him. This is the current front office’s pick. They don’t want to let him go before prior regime’s picks

[KnicksGadfly]

I don’t think they will trade Toppin and are more likely to trade someone like Mitchell Robinson

They love Jarrett and wanna pay him 20 mill or something

[nedleeds]

Sexton is not a point guard , cmon now. Dude is shoot first, 2nd and 3rd

[Juco24]

Sexton, Randle, and RJ taking us where?? Keep Obi keep building. Sorry, not sorry.

Totally agree!!

[KnicksGadfly]

I still think you guys are crazy if you think we get Sexton without taking back Love....or we have to pony up some better assets.

It depends on the bidding war. I’d agree with you if the Cavs were committed to keeping him on a max extension but it doesn’t look like they are. And then for the teams that are interested, they need to balance his pros and cons. If Love is coming back, I’m paying significantly less though.

[robillionaire]

I still think you guys are crazy if you think we get Sexton without taking back Love....or we have to pony up some better assets.

I’d take love if that’s the cost. He’d be a good stretch 5 if he stops getting injured. He’s sandbagging in Cleveland and has wanted out for years. Only on the books for 2 years anyway.