Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[Bruin]

If we get Suggs is he your official starter opening night even after signing Gary Trent?


PG: Vanvleet/ Malachi
SG: Suggs/ Gary Trent/ Hood
SF: OG/Bembry/Watson
PF:Pascal/Yuta
C:Khem/Boucher

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PG: Vanvleet/ Malachi
SG: Gary Trent/ Suggs/ Hood
SF: OG/Bembry/Watson
PF:Pascal/Yuta
C:Khem/Boucher

I think Gary doesn't want to sign if he isn't guarenteed a starting spot but letting Suggs come off the bench seems weird to. I don't know.

He’s an RFA so not really his choice

As things stand, he’s probably gonna be the 6th man. I would like for a deadline trade for FVV to get Suggs and Trent run the backcourt if Trent is doing well through the season. Hard to see Fred get traded tho

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[Mehar]

Sengun looks 6'9" as reported

Hassan Whiteside measured 6 foot 10.25 inches without shoes. Like I mentioned previously, I had read on Twitter several months ago, Sengun measured 6 foot 9 in shoes (6 foot 7.75 inches without shoes). This looks about correct. Regardless, no way you take him at 4 over Suggs/Mobley. Not sure how his game will translate as an undersized Centre battling the likes of Embiid, Jokic, and Ayton. No need for a reach at 4. That includes drafting Barnes (6 foot 7 without shoes on), to be a small ball 5 which was suggested earlier, or Kuminga who needs to develop his shot and has some other question marks also.

[tecumseh18]

Mobley's floor is Tyson Chandler/Marcus Camby. So at worst he's a guy who may never be an All Star, but is a perennial DPOY candidate and makes several All Defensive teams.

Tyson Chandler was an awesome defender. He was the final piece that pushed Dirk to that championship, like Marc Gasol for us.

I would feel good about getting Tyson Chandler at #4.

Chandler could easily have won FMVP in that series. He just stuffed the Heat.

But that loss made Lebron and the Heat become more of a 3-point shooting in the following season. I wonder if Chandler would have been effective against a five-out small ball lineup with Bosh at the C?

[Risk101]

As things stand, he’s probably gonna be the 6th man. I would like for a deadline trade for FVV to get Suggs and Trent run the backcourt if Trent is doing well through the season. Hard to see Fred get traded tho

Nah Freddie is stud. The only way you part with him is if you get an offer thats ridiculous becuase he's just 27 years old coming off his best stats season and I believe his prime days are just beginning. Plus I want him to mentor Suggs.

On the Trent agrument Masai seems like he has made deals to move guys if they don't want to be here.

[WuTang_OG]

We've never seen a 6'9" centre dominate the way Sengun is being hyped. He's got good skill but the length/height isnt there. Gasol wasnt the most athletic guy but he had 7'1 height and good 7'4" wingspan

[Psubs]

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

Tell me you haven't watched Mobley play at all without saying you haven't watched Mobley play at all.

Look at his blocks to foul ratio!!!!

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Maybe if traded 4 for 5 and 8 and take him at 8.

[Risk101]

JEEZ! That franchise is screwed for the next decade

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[Reeko]

We've never seen a 6'9" centre dominate the way Sengun is being hyped. He's got good skill but the length/height isnt there. Gasol wasnt the most athletic guy but he had 7'1 height and good 7'4" wingspan

In past eras we have seen very successful and ATG centers in that 6'9-6'10 mold ie. Moses Malone, Dave Cowens and Willis Reed. Not saying that Sengun will be that, and it's not common but it's been done.

[Bruin]

We've never seen a 6'9" centre dominate the way Sengun is being hyped. He's got good skill but the length/height isnt there. Gasol wasnt the most athletic guy but he had 7'1 height and good 7'4" wingspan

In past eras we have seen very successful and ATG centers in that 6'9-6'10 mold ie. Moses Malone, Dave Cowens and Willis Reed. Not saying that Sengun will be that, and it's not common but it's been done.

Bam is also 6’9” but strong and athletic

[WuTang_OG]

We've never seen a 6'9" centre dominate the way Sengun is being hyped. He's got good skill but the length/height isnt there. Gasol wasnt the most athletic guy but he had 7'1 height and good 7'4" wingspan

In past eras we have seen very successful and ATG centers in that 6'9-6'10 mold ie. Moses Malone, Dave Cowens and Willis Reed. Not saying that Sengun will be that, and it's not common but it's been done.

ya years ago.
You rarely see a 6'9" guy dominate playing centre, especially one that doesnt have the wingspan.

who knows maybe he grows hes still 19 but this is a late lotto pick for me

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We've never seen a 6'9" centre dominate the way Sengun is being hyped. He's got good skill but the length/height isnt there. Gasol wasnt the most athletic guy but he had 7'1 height and good 7'4" wingspan

In past eras we have seen very successful and ATG centers in that 6'9-6'10 mold ie. Moses Malone, Dave Cowens and Willis Reed. Not saying that Sengun will be that, and it's not common but it's been done.

Bam is also 6’9” but strong and athletic

Sengun is both undersized and unathletic. No amount of skill is going to overcome that hurdle.

[Clutch0z24]

I think you overstate the issues on offense. Barnes would be playing the 5 spot so he'd fit into the dunker spot (Even if he guarding others you still play him as a 5 on offense.) With Barnes and Siakam on the team you have a couple bigs who love to run the fast break so you'd get lots of transition points off steals and rebounds. Then in the half court sets Barnes plays that pick and roll game either as the ball handler to get him attacking the hoop or as the screener who operates out of the foul line extended.

OG and Fred are legit three point threats and Siakam hits enough that teams have to respect him. Add a fourth guy who hits threes like a Trent Jr when you playing small, and a Kelly Olynyk when you playing big and you have plenty of scoring power.

Also you don't draft Barnes or Suggs for that matter based on our roster. You draft they guy you think has the highest upside. If Barnes or Kuminga are guys the scouting staff really believe can be elite then you just draft them period. I trust the raps scouting staff more than any mock draft.

You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5

Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.

Lol a Small Ball 5....When Most Legit 7 footers are on the Court playing C who can hit 3s better than Barnes....Barnes is not a great Rebounder as well only averaging only 4 rebounds a game....When your playing Small ball you get destroyed in the paint Just like we ended up getting this Last season...Scottie Barnes is 6 foot 8 and is a good defender but hes not a rim protector or a shot blocker by any means and if we run up on teams that have legit Size and bang with a lineup of FVV/GTJR/OG/Siakam/Barnes we would get out rebounded by 30, Attacked in the paint with ease with no rim protection, And we would get beat down inside...And on top of that we would have no 3 point shooting or offensive firepower to withstand that...

We ran FVV/GTJR/OG As our 3 point threats and even had Lowry still and we were terrible and are in the lottery...Now you lose Lowry and expect Barnes to give us anything on offense? where we struggle the most....

The Barnes/OG/Siakam Lineup would be a utter failure and he just doesn't fit with what we need ...And your saying you don't draft on fit alone but get the most talent?....Well Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside than Barnes does atm soley based on the 3 point shot and offensive games alone....So at the end of the day we would be drafting for Fit + Talent so its a Win/Win...With Barnes your praying he gets a Jumper and i would rather a for sure thing with any of the Top 4 than a Prayer

[Badonkadonk]

Weaknesses: weak post game, inconsistent jump shot, doesn’t set physical screens guards and wings get into his body.

Also for every Anthony Davis, there is Marvin bagley, mo bamba and willie caulie Stein.
The rate of a prospect not being as good as we all think is sky high.

Every prospect has weaknesses. Suggs - weak handle/shooting, Green - defense/strength, Cade - explosiveness.

Mobley shot 58% last year. His shooting from 3 will only improve.

But to say Mobley is not good because he will get pushed around as a 5 when he hasnt grown in his body just like Bosh and Davis (who have similar body types) is complete false.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

You either haven't watched ANY scouting video on Mobley, or don't understand what you're watching.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

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[Mehar]

In past eras we have seen very successful and ATG centers in that 6'9-6'10 mold ie. Moses Malone, Dave Cowens and Willis Reed. Not saying that Sengun will be that, and it's not common but it's been done.

Bam is also 6’9” but strong and athletic

Sengun is both undersized and unathletic. No amount of skill is going to overcome that hurdle.

Bam is 6 foot 10 in shoes, and has a nearly 7 foot 3 inch Wingspan. Bam is athletic. Sengun is both undersized and athletic. To pick him at 4 over Suggs/Mobley is laughable.

[Mehar]

I thought I read it all, but a poster suggested we draft Scottie Barnes (6 foot 7 without shoes) at 4, as our Small Ball Centre over Suggs/Mobley. Glad you people are not the ones drafting. Barnes is not a very good rebounder or rim protector/shot blocker. Draft day cannot come sooner, so we do not have to read anymore ridiculous suggestions. I am confident one of Suggs or Mobley be in a Raptors uniform.

[Jim Todd Jr.]

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