Suggs or Mobley?

[Parataxis]

Raps will take Suggs if he is there. If Mobley available at 4, Raps will trade down.

Why do you think that?

Because I don't think Mobley is a good fit for the Raps style of play or a fit for their timeline.

So is that you WANT the Raps to trade down, or you think that the Raps FO feels like you do and WILL trade down?

[Yallbecrazy]

Mobley is my #1 prospect by far in this draft.

Suggs is my #3

Neither Cade or Green are in my top 4, would be delighted if they went #1 and #2.

Interesting to see this take, and while I'm not as much of an outlier, I do agree that Cade isn't a lock to be the best player out of this draft when you project out several years.

I think there's a lot of intentional misinformation being put out (smokescreens!). When I look at the original Cade vs. Suggs arguments that were made at the beginning of the NCAA season, and then the Cade vs. Mobley debates that became more popular around February, I don't think much has changed. All of the same strengths and weaknesses still exist for each guy.

Who do you like 2nd best in the draft?

This is about Suggs or Mobley, you can search my posting history if you want my #2, I'd rather not get into a back and forth on it in another thread.

The warts on Cade are just too much for me to consider him in the top 4 in a strong draft.
-decent, but not good blocks and steals suggest he won't be more than an okay to slightly above average defender
-Poor assist to turnover ratio/ his teammates shot 2.5% better when he wasn't playing show poor creation abilities, basketball IQ
- terrible offensive rebounding numbers for his size suggest low aggression as the most aggressive guards/wings tend to have high ORB% in college
- low 2pt FG% suggest poor rim finishing and ability to create easy looks
He got a lot of points and shot the 3 very well, he may end up being a rich man's Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams. His 3pt% may also have been positive variance as his FT% suggests he is a good 3pt shooter not a great one. Tatum is probably a more apt comparison, but Tatum hit one of his higher/highest outcomes and had slightly better peripheral stats across the board than Cade.

For Green:
- poor at drawing fouls
- mediocre assist to turnover ratio for a guard
- poor rebounding numbers

Both players peripheral stats suggest they may have the skills to create their own offense, but won't have the BBIQ to punish teams for overhelping and may suffer against tougher defenders as they lack the aggression/want it more attitude. They fall into the Lou Williams, Carmelo Anthony mold of player who don't do much other than score themselves while hurting their teammates everywhere else.

[asuran]

To me this is like choosing futures between a young potential Bosh and a young potential Lowry.

[PhilBlackson]

To me this is like choosing futures between a young potential Bosh and a young potential Lowry.

Developed under us, Mobley has the potential to be a MUCH better player than Bosh was.

Bosh would be seen completely differently had he been the level of defender Mobley projects to be and do so as a C, not a PF. He's also more athletic, all I can say is lookout if we do in fact get ahold of him.

[WhatsaTDot]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

Username to post content ratio checks out.

[6ixpessant]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

Username to post content ratio checks out.

I'm sorry that your post count is how you define yourself. I hope life gets better for you.

[WhatsaTDot]

Content, not count.

[CANsportsguru]

People get far too caught up "projections" of players and that's how you end up with busts. Comparing Suggs to Lowry or Kidd are wrong. Have you ever seen or heard of either of those players doing windmill dunks? Suggs is far more athletic than either of them. He's a winner at every level. Out of everyone in this draft none of them is as NBA ready as Suggs. Cade? Did you see his performance in the tournament?, Green has poor shot mechanics and plays absolute no defense, Mobley is intriguing but he has to put on significant weight to be able to play at the NBA level and you never know how a player is going to deal with that extra weight. I'd take Suggs and run.

[OhCanada1091]

Its only good players but I would go.

Cade
Green
Barnes
Mobley
Giddey
Suggs
Kuminga

[garbagnani]

With Cade and Green a lock for the top 2, which of Suggs or Mobley are you hoping drops to 4?

I would agree that Cade seems like a lock to go #1. #2 is far from locked in.

[Psubs]

To me this is like choosing futures between a young potential Bosh and a young potential Lowry.

Developed under us, Mobley has the potential to be a MUCH better player than Bosh was.

Bosh would be seen completely differently had he been the level of defender Mobley projects to be and do so as a C, not a PF. He's also more athletic, all I can say is lookout if we do in fact get ahold of him.

He's like Bosh and Camby in one! Ugh too many injury possibilities.

[Basketball_Jones]

To me this is like choosing futures between a young potential Bosh and a young potential Lowry.

Developed under us, Mobley has the potential to be a MUCH better player than Bosh was.

Bosh would be seen completely differently had he been the level of defender Mobley projects to be and do so as a C, not a PF. He's also more athletic, all I can say is lookout if we do in fact get ahold of him.

He's like Bosh and Camby in one! Ugh too many injury possibilities.

Yeah, I get the injury vibe from him. No evidence of it, just gut feeling with a lanky big that will be asked to do a lot for a franchise.

[Raps in 4]

To me this is like choosing futures between a young potential Bosh and a young potential Lowry.

More like Tim Duncan or Chris Paul.

[Raps in 4]

Developed under us, Mobley has the potential to be a MUCH better player than Bosh was.

Bosh would be seen completely differently had he been the level of defender Mobley projects to be and do so as a C, not a PF. He's also more athletic, all I can say is lookout if we do in fact get ahold of him.

He's like Bosh and Camby in one! Ugh too many injury possibilities.

Yeah, I get the injury vibe from him. No evidence of it, just gut feeling with a lanky big that will be asked to do a lot for a franchise.

Injuries are a risk with any big man.

[Tofubeque]

Developed under us, Mobley has the potential to be a MUCH better player than Bosh was.

Bosh would be seen completely differently had he been the level of defender Mobley projects to be and do so as a C, not a PF. He's also more athletic, all I can say is lookout if we do in fact get ahold of him.

He's like Bosh and Camby in one! Ugh too many injury possibilities.

Yeah, I get the injury vibe from him. No evidence of it, just gut feeling with a lanky big that will be asked to do a lot for a franchise.

Lanky bigs don't have any increased risk of injuries, Bosh for example played 70-80 games almost every season. Garnett too through age 30, in a more physical league. If anything there's more concern about guys like Embiid who weigh 280, that's far more wear on their joints.

[JJ From Deep]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

???????

Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take. Both of these guys are going to be special.

[mademan]

Mobley without a 2nd thought

[Danny1616]

It's so tough.

Is Mobley a Chris Bosh/Anthony Davis level talent? Or is a Bagley/Noel type talent?

Is Suggs a Kidd type talent or is he another Ntkilina or Exum.

When these prospects are only 19 it's hard to know. Just have have to select who we hope is the best guy and go from there.

[RaptorHusky]

Neither player moves the needle for me.

???????

Bro what

By saying neither player "moves the needle for you", you're implying that neither Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley make the Raptors better than they currently are, which I'm sorry but is an extremely L take.Both of these guys are going to be special.

Not so sure about Suggs to become 'special'. He's good (sometimes, very good) under Few's system in Zags. This not necessarily translates into being good or special as a Raptor. There were really good Zags but, in last 5-6 drafts only Sabonis reached all-star level. Olynik, Hashimura, Clarke remain role players while Pangos stays as tier 2 PG in Euroleague an Wiltjer completely disappeared. All of them flourished as Zags, but now...

[phanman]

To me this is like choosing futures between a young potential Bosh and a young potential Lowry.

Developed under us, Mobley has the potential to be a MUCH better player than Bosh was.

Bosh would be seen completely differently had he been the level of defender Mobley projects to be and do so as a C, not a PF. He's also more athletic, all I can say is lookout if we do in fact get ahold of him.

Being better than Bosh is a pretty big statement. Unfortunately for CB he was asked to do a ton more offensively in Toronto and thus didn't really develop the defensive side of the floor until he got to Miami. Even then he was still solid on that end of the floor, but if Carter stayed I think we would've seen an even better version of him with him in uniform.

Kind of going back and forth but either option would help us tremendously. Suggs fills in directly for Lowry's departure and Mobley easily becomes the starting C with the trash we trotted out last season. A frontcourt of OG, Pascal and Mobley would be sick to watch, likewise with a Sugg/Freddy backcourt.