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Post#841 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:21 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Ian Begley tweeting Mavs interest in Noel which is very interesting considering the history. Obviously Dallas could desperately use a player like Noel defensively. Nets, Hornets, and Raptors also said to have interest. All logical though I'd be surprised if the Nets could bid competitively since they can't even do a S&T for him so they are capped at the taxpayer.


Other than Cuban, is anyone leftover in Dallas from that Noel era?


The other 2 main guys of the front office still are with Grant and Finley though Grant would have been unlikely to have been involved with Noel and Finley probably not either at the time. And pretty sure Noel changed agents after that But when $70M goes poof I'd think it might leave a sour taste with regards to the governor too especially as Cuban has publicly stated a few times Dallas really dodged a bullet there.

But yeah if the issues were more Donnie or Rick and you can't ever rule out Rick having a personality conflict with a guy then maybe its all water under the bridge. I was super excited when Dallas traded for him, but much like Rondo and Richardson two other acquisitions I loved at the time, it was pretty much a bust.

Would gladly welcome him back. The defense could use him and he works as a screener/lob threat for sure.
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Post#842 » by BBallFreak » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:22 pm

NYG wrote:Could the Knicks get a guy like Butler without losing Randle/Barrett/Robinson/Quickley?

No, of course not. You take everything of real value off the table and try to get a guy like Butler, who Miami is building around? I'm honestly not sure they'd trade him for Randle, Barrett, and Quickly, combined. Not to say they shouldn't if it were offered, but it would be a complete and total change in direction...
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Post#843 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:06 pm

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This feels like just good due diligence, but I want to think it means they are seriously considering a trade down.
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Post#844 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:10 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:Ian Begley tweeting Mavs interest in Noel which is very interesting considering the history. Obviously Dallas could desperately use a player like Noel defensively. Nets, Hornets, and Raptors also said to have interest. All logical though I'd be surprised if the Nets could bid competitively since they can't even do a S&T for him so they are capped at the taxpayer.


Other than Cuban, is anyone leftover in Dallas from that Noel era?


The other 2 main guys of the front office still are with Grant and Finley though Grant would have been unlikely to have been involved with Noel and Finley probably not either at the time. And pretty sure Noel changed agents after that But when $70M goes poof I'd think it might leave a sour taste with regards to the governor too especially as Cuban has publicly stated a few times Dallas really dodged a bullet there.

But yeah if the issues were more Donnie or Rick and you can't ever rule out Rick having a personality conflict with a guy then maybe its all water under the bridge. I was super excited when Dallas traded for him, but much like Rondo and Richardson two other acquisitions I loved at the time, it was pretty much a bust.

Would gladly welcome him back. The defense could use him and he works as a screener/lob threat for sure.



Yeah, I mostly just don’t think that Noel has had enough of a career to be able to write off potential employers. Especially employers that once tried to pay him a ton of money and he refused, wanting more.
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Post#845 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:14 pm

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Read on Twitter
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This feels like just good due diligence, but I want to think it means they are seriously considering a trade down.


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Post#846 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:43 pm

https://dailythunder.com/shai-gilgeous-alexander-is-a-franchise-cornerstone-not-trade-bait/

Spoiler:
The NBA off-season hasn’t even officially started, but for Oklahoma City it feels like it’s been upon us for a full year now. You know it’s full off-season mode when the only news is trade rumors and speculation from national media and NBA Twitter.

The talk of the town has been the #1 overall pick that belongs to the Detroit Pistons and the price tag surrounding it. There have been many predictions and potential trades thrown around suggesting what that pick might cost. In multiple trade scenarios presented, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander somehow gets tossed into these trade packages as almost an afterthought, or as one article put it… a “sweetener.”

To give up Shai Gilgeous-Alexander would be next-level foolishness and to call him a “sweetener” is downright disrespectful. Here’s why:

In year three, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander proved he is a cornerstone on an NBA team. SGA had an eye popping level of efficiency while leading a struggling Thunder team to wins in games where they should never have won. In the NBA, three players averaged 20+ point, 5+ assists and shot 50% from the field and 40% from three. Those three players? Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

As Oklahoma City continues to grow and improve its roster, one could assume that Gilgeous-Alexander will have better floor spacing and more open looks. This past season, almost all of his points he created for himself, which makes his percentages all the more impressive. SGA scored 87.1% of his buckets by himself, unassisted. That is simply absurd.

The whole timeline argument doesn’t quite make sense to me either. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is 22 years old, the age of some rookies in the current draft class. He’s a borderline all-star at 22 years old. The production and reliance on SGA is clear as day — he wins games by himself. With Gilgeous-Alexander on the floor, OKC was 16-19. Without Gilgeous-Alexander in the lineup, OKC had a record of 6-31.

The timeline should be Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, plain and simple.

You should hope some of your draft picks end up in the lottery (they will) and use your other draft picks to trade for players that compliment SGA. He is a guy you build around, not someone you use for trade bait.

If an NBA general manager could see into the future, three years down the road, and know that any of the prospects in this current draft would average 23.7 PPG, 5.9 APG, and 4.7 RPG while shooting 50.1% FG, 41% 3PT and 81% FT in year three, they would be worthy of the No. 1 pick in any draft, no questions asked. Cade Cunningham could be great, maybe you’re confident enough to say he will be great, but Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is already great.

Gilgeous-Alexander is a 22 year old budding all-star that has very few weaknesses in his game that is still developing. In five years, when OKC is hoping to be competitive, he will be entering his prime at 27. With his efficiency, growth and results, putting a cap on Gilgeous-Alexander’s ceiling is silly and getting old. Any team picking No. 1 in the draft is hoping they will draft the player that SGA is by year three. Who knows how much better he can get in the next five years if he’s already this good?
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Post#847 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:00 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:https://dailythunder.com/shai-gilgeous-alexander-is-a-franchise-cornerstone-not-trade-bait/

Spoiler:
The NBA off-season hasn’t even officially started, but for Oklahoma City it feels like it’s been upon us for a full year now. You know it’s full off-season mode when the only news is trade rumors and speculation from national media and NBA Twitter.

The talk of the town has been the #1 overall pick that belongs to the Detroit Pistons and the price tag surrounding it. There have been many predictions and potential trades thrown around suggesting what that pick might cost. In multiple trade scenarios presented, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander somehow gets tossed into these trade packages as almost an afterthought, or as one article put it… a “sweetener.”

To give up Shai Gilgeous-Alexander would be next-level foolishness and to call him a “sweetener” is downright disrespectful. Here’s why:

In year three, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander proved he is a cornerstone on an NBA team. SGA had an eye popping level of efficiency while leading a struggling Thunder team to wins in games where they should never have won. In the NBA, three players averaged 20+ point, 5+ assists and shot 50% from the field and 40% from three. Those three players? Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

As Oklahoma City continues to grow and improve its roster, one could assume that Gilgeous-Alexander will have better floor spacing and more open looks. This past season, almost all of his points he created for himself, which makes his percentages all the more impressive. SGA scored 87.1% of his buckets by himself, unassisted. That is simply absurd.

The whole timeline argument doesn’t quite make sense to me either. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is 22 years old, the age of some rookies in the current draft class. He’s a borderline all-star at 22 years old. The production and reliance on SGA is clear as day — he wins games by himself. With Gilgeous-Alexander on the floor, OKC was 16-19. Without Gilgeous-Alexander in the lineup, OKC had a record of 6-31.

The timeline should be Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, plain and simple.

You should hope some of your draft picks end up in the lottery (they will) and use your other draft picks to trade for players that compliment SGA. He is a guy you build around, not someone you use for trade bait.

If an NBA general manager could see into the future, three years down the road, and know that any of the prospects in this current draft would average 23.7 PPG, 5.9 APG, and 4.7 RPG while shooting 50.1% FG, 41% 3PT and 81% FT in year three, they would be worthy of the No. 1 pick in any draft, no questions asked. Cade Cunningham could be great, maybe you’re confident enough to say he will be great, but Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is already great.

Gilgeous-Alexander is a 22 year old budding all-star that has very few weaknesses in his game that is still developing. In five years, when OKC is hoping to be competitive, he will be entering his prime at 27. With his efficiency, growth and results, putting a cap on Gilgeous-Alexander’s ceiling is silly and getting old. Any team picking No. 1 in the draft is hoping they will draft the player that SGA is by year three. Who knows how much better he can get in the next five years if he’s already this good?


lol what they hope to be competitive in 5 years? I agreed with this article until that last line :lol:
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Post#848 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:09 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This feels like just good due diligence, but I want to think it means they are seriously considering a trade down.
I think they might be hoping to land a pick in that range with Sexton.

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Post#849 » by Resistance » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:21 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This feels like just good due diligence, but I want to think it means they are seriously considering a trade down.



I also have it as an opportunity for a team to get a read on a prospect's work habits and personality in case an opportunity develops in the future. After he is drafted, doing something like this opens a team up to charges of tampering. The predraft period is the time to gather information to be used in the upcoming draft and possibly sometime in the future.
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Post#850 » by Revenged25 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:24 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This feels like just good due diligence, but I want to think it means they are seriously considering a trade down.
I think they might be hoping to land a pick in that range with Sexton.

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Definitely possible. I think Sexton is going to get more than people on here think or he's not going to get traded. Some of the offers like those that have been publicized by the Knicks aren't going to be enough because if they were they would've already accepted them.
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Post#851 » by orlando_joe » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:26 pm

Resistance wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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This feels like just good due diligence, but I want to think it means they are seriously considering a trade down.



I alos have it as an opportunity for a team to get a read on a prospect's work habits and personality in case an opportunity develops in the future. After he is drafted, doing something like this opens a team up to charges of tampering. The predraft period is the time to gather information to be used in the upcoming draft and possibly sometime in the future.
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Post#852 » by NYG » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:06 am

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NYG wrote:Could the Knicks get a guy like Butler without losing Randle/Barrett/Robinson/Quickley?

No, of course not. You take everything of real value off the table and try to get a guy like Butler, who Miami is building around? I'm honestly not sure they'd trade him for Randle, Barrett, and Quickly, combined. Not to say they shouldn't if it were offered, but it would be a complete and total change in direction...


Is something like Toppin and 19 for Herro closer?
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Post#853 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:30 am

I’d love it if my Raps get Noel. I think he could really thrive here. That said, I’d love to get him working with a defensive big man specialist here.

I’m not sold on Boucher at all despite what a lot of Raps fans say and all.
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Post#854 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:54 am

NYG wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
NYG wrote:Could the Knicks get a guy like Butler without losing Randle/Barrett/Robinson/Quickley?

No, of course not. You take everything of real value off the table and try to get a guy like Butler, who Miami is building around? I'm honestly not sure they'd trade him for Randle, Barrett, and Quickly, combined. Not to say they shouldn't if it were offered, but it would be a complete and total change in direction...


Is something like Toppin and 19 for Herro closer?


What does Toppin offer Miami? They've already invested into Achiuwa at the 4, and they have Bam at the 4/5. I think Miami would do better to keep Herro, hope he gets at least a little back to what he was in the bubble, and have him as protection for Nunn leaving and Oladipo not returning for much, if any, of the season.
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Post#855 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:04 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:
NYG wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:No, of course not. You take everything of real value off the table and try to get a guy like Butler, who Miami is building around? I'm honestly not sure they'd trade him for Randle, Barrett, and Quickly, combined. Not to say they shouldn't if it were offered, but it would be a complete and total change in direction...


Is something like Toppin and 19 for Herro closer?


What does Toppin offer Miami? They've already invested into Achiuwa at the 4, and they have Bam at the 4/5. I think Miami would do better to keep Herro, hope he gets at least a little back to what he was in the bubble, and have him as protection for Nunn leaving and Oladipo not returning for much, if any, of the season.


Needs a third team and then the usual third team questions arise
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Post#856 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:30 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
NYG wrote:
Is something like Toppin and 19 for Herro closer?


What does Toppin offer Miami? They've already invested into Achiuwa at the 4, and they have Bam at the 4/5. I think Miami would do better to keep Herro, hope he gets at least a little back to what he was in the bubble, and have him as protection for Nunn leaving and Oladipo not returning for much, if any, of the season.


Needs a third team and then the usual third team questions arise
No third team makes this work for Miami. It's just directionally wrong for the team. We'd be more interested in using Herro to acquire Randle. Toppin and 19, and what they might bring (unless it's Sexton) makes very little sense for a fan trying to compete...

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Post#857 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:01 pm

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Post#858 » by K_chile22 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:24 pm

Don't really buy Chad Ford reports but anyways
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Also says Houston has dangled one of their late first with EG for thirteen and... I'm sure that is an offer that has been made by the rockets, and that's all I have to say about that idea lol

If there's any real smoke here it would be interesting they're trying to get more picks. They already have a lot of lower level picks
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Post#859 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:36 pm

K_chile22 wrote:Also says Houston has dangled one of their late first with EG for thirteen and...

pick #13 or a pick in the 13th round? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#860 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:42 pm

some rumblings Kidd is looking to add Igor to his staff. I guess looking for a Luka guy to replace Mosley?
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