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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1201 » by The Lamma » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:28 pm

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The Lamma wrote:A few have mentioned not wanting to give up assets better saved for a Lillard or Lavine move, without acknowledging that Sexton then becomes that asset. Yes, you gave up assets, but if the new one has more value, then you haven't weakened your position to make more moves, you've improved it.
The new one might not have more value because he carries s bigger price tag and is a far more known quantity. Knox is salary relief. Obi is selling hope as are the draft picks. Sexton is an expensive player who may not outperform his contract.

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True. It may or may not work out in our favor. How well he fares in a Knicks uni would certainly have a strong bearing on that and we can't say for certain. There is the money aspect of it, a year down the road for sure. So let's just strictly look at overall value.

As far as the constituents of an Obi/Knox/'21 1st, most of us here watch every Knicks game, so we know the value of a Knox. To us, it's nothing, but some other team may still think he's worth a shot because of all the "potential" he had. And sometimes a change of scenery is all some dudes need, though I seriously doubt this applies here. Obi is a little harder to peg, I think at least some teams would be high on him, especially one that was rumored to want him in the draft. It's possible all he needs is PT to blossom. His value to any team without a Julius Randle is likely to be higher in any event. The #19 or #21 pick this year in particular certainly has value.

As far as feasibility of the deal: The key to this deal is Toppin, how highly they regard him will determine whether it gets done.

As far as value: IMO we gain value in it, whether it means moving Sexton again, or keeping him and resigning him. On a team level aside from value around the league in a trade, he's a massive upgrade in a position of need. I'd still love to see us get an amazing passer at the point, but I think you just have to pull the trigger on this deal and take it from there.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1202 » by Ghetto Gospel » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:28 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:
Peak Tiny Nate Archibald.

:D


Analysis from a Cavs journalist

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bank-shot/id1444801454?i=1000528894267


49 minutes?! No way I'm listening to all this.

Call him extremely hard worker, first in to practice, last to leave.
Not foundational piece for championship
So, they are against paying him


this accurately describes every other player on our roster so sure why not
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1203 » by Monk1718 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:30 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:


49 minutes?! No way I'm listening to all this.

Call him extremely hard worker, first in to practice, last to leave.
Not foundational piece for championship
So, they are against paying him


this accurately describes every other player on our roster so sure why not

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1204 » by DrCoach » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:20 am

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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1205 » by Marty McFly » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:30 am

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Marty McFly wrote:Quickley had a comparable rookie season to Sexton.

I like IQ… but Sexton was much better.

Sexton averaged 16.7 PPG 3 APG on 43/40/83 splits

IQ averaged 11 PPG 2 APG on 39/39\89 splits

Sexton was also 19 years old. IQ is 22.


I wouldn’t say that’s much better, he had more playing time. He might have age in his favor but 22 isn’t an old man. IQ is also 6’3”.
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1206 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:35 am

Marty McFly wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:Quickley had a comparable rookie season to Sexton.

I like IQ… but Sexton was much better.

Sexton averaged 16.7 PPG 3 APG on 43/40/83 splits

IQ averaged 11 PPG 2 APG on 39/39\89 splits

Sexton was also 19 years old. IQ is 22.


I wouldn’t say that’s much better, he had more playing time. He might have age in his favor but 22 isn’t an old man. IQ is also 6’3”.




Sexton was much better at 19 in terms of creating for himself, and getting all the way to the rim. He shot 57% on 321 FG attempts at the rim, where as IQ shot 53% on only 41 attempts. IQ just doesn't get to the rim, even if he were a starter that number wouldn't be anywhere near Sexton's.
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Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1207 » by Marty McFly » Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:49 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I like IQ… but Sexton was much better.

Sexton averaged 16.7 PPG 3 APG on 43/40/83 splits

IQ averaged 11 PPG 2 APG on 39/39\89 splits

Sexton was also 19 years old. IQ is 22.


I wouldn’t say that’s much better, he had more playing time. He might have age in his favor but 22 isn’t an old man. IQ is also 6’3”.




Sexton was much better at 19 in terms of creating for himself, and getting all the way to the rim. He shot 57% on 321 FG attempts at the rim, where as IQ shot 53% on only 41 attempts. IQ just doesn't get to the rim, even if he were a starter that number wouldn't be anywhere near Sexton's.


I concede that point.
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1208 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:19 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Peak Tiny Nate Archibald.

:D


Analysis from a Cavs journalist

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bank-shot/id1444801454?i=1000528894267


49 minutes?! No way I'm listening to all this.

Call him extremely hard worker, first in to practice, last to leave.
Not foundational piece for championship
So, they are against paying him


:lol: I just moved the button to the spot where they discussed Sexton. It's not that hard. lmao

Anyhow, I edited my post to include the following significant details:

“He’s just not a point guard.” And "He's just not a good defender." And, "If you're looking for your franchise PG, Sexton's not the guy."
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Post#1209 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:23 am

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1210 » by ScienceOfLosing » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:15 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:Looks like Cavs fans are holding out hope for RJ


If the Cavs want RJ they better be ready to cough up that #3 pick.


I'd pack RJ's bags

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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1211 » by ScienceOfLosing » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:23 am

DaGawd wrote:
Monk1718 wrote:Here’s a question...what do you think sexton’s ceiling is?

The ceiling is the roof


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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1212 » by ScienceOfLosing » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:27 am

Considering the cost of Sexton (after a year) and his uncertainty, bball IQ, etc - I think I would prefer to have 2 years of Lowry mentoring Tre Mann (and another draft pick in a loaded draft.) And Keeping Obi.
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Post#1213 » by DaGawd » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:37 am

ScienceOfLosing wrote:Considering the cost of Sexton (after a year) and his uncertainty, bball IQ, etc - I think I would prefer to have 2 years of Lowry mentoring Tre Mann (and another draft pick in a loaded draft.) And Keeping Obi.

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Post#1214 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:38 am

Judging Sexton by his assist numbers appears awkward considering Garland was there to run point.
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Post#1215 » by ScienceOfLosing » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:51 am

DaGawd wrote:
ScienceOfLosing wrote:Considering the cost of Sexton (after a year) and his uncertainty, bball IQ, etc - I think I would prefer to have 2 years of Lowry mentoring Tre Mann (and another draft pick in a loaded draft.) And Keeping Obi.

Fk Obi


But why, seriously? He is a great kid with relatively high IQ, has a very nice shot, can defend a bit and is learning to score in the NBA. I do like Sexton but in this draft and re the rest of my post, I prefer going the Lowry route and keeping 19/21 + Obi (but I won't be upset if we do the trade.) I'm probably like 65% against it or so.
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Post#1216 » by ScienceOfLosing » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:52 am

spree2kawhi wrote:Judging Sexton by his assist numbers appears awkward considering Garland was there to run point.


Yeah, to end the season Sexton did average 6 assists while Garland was out. There is for sure hope here. He is a talent.
Defensively, his motor and effort is there but height is a problem. But with Frank at the 2...
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Re: Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor 

Post#1217 » by Infinitimind » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:09 am

I think we need to look into shai if the rumors are true. Okc supposedly to get rid of shai. We can do combination of Obi and quickly and two picks for him. Look to sign monk as quickly replacement. Paying undersize combo guard is scaring to me
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Post#1218 » by DaGawd » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:30 am

Infinitimind wrote:I think we need to look into shai if the rumors are true. Okc supposedly to get rid of shai. We can do combination of Obi and quickly and two picks for him. Look to sign monk as quickly replacement. Paying undersize combo guard is scaring to me

For SGA its going to take a **** ton more than IQ Obi and 2 picks
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Post#1219 » by Juco24 » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:31 am

ScienceOfLosing wrote:Considering the cost of Sexton (after a year) and his uncertainty, bball IQ, etc - I think I would prefer to have 2 years of Lowry mentoring Tre Mann (and another draft pick in a loaded draft.) And Keeping Obi.


Especially when Tre Mann has just as much potential. Agreed
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Post#1220 » by Bob Ross » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:53 am

I dont want to trade Obi, but if we keep Randle, I don't see how Obi ever reaches his potential here. He just won't have the opportunity- one of them will have to be traded. Randle is an all star and you hope Obi becomes one. I'd wager the Knicks go with the known commodity

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