OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

Post #981 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:02 am

fleet wrote:if scouts had questions, bet it is more the funky throwing motion, and he needs room to to step into his throws, room which may not be there in the NFL. Not the defense reading stuff that pundits were talking about. Nagy’s protections will need to be on point. Which could have something to do with the hyper focus on OTs in the draft. And O-line in free agency.

The Bears needed to focus on the oline regardless. Plus getting youth and depth on the oline is always smart.

Post #982 » by **fleet** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:27 am

RedBulls23 wrote:
fleet wrote:if scouts had questions, bet it is more the funky throwing motion, and he needs room to to step into his throws, room which may not be there in the NFL. Not the defense reading stuff that pundits were talking about. Nagy’s protections will need to be on point. Which could have something to do with the hyper focus on OTs in the draft. And O-line in free agency.

The Bears needed to focus on the oline regardless. Plus getting youth and depth on the oline is always smart.

Always smart, but not always done.

Post #983 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:46 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Susan wrote:He can't walk anywhere but he can absolutely hold out, the Packers can let him sit, suck, and get nothing for him or they can decide to trade him - their decision. He just doesn't want to be there anymore.

If I could get a kings ransom for Rodgers, I would sell his ass so fast it'd make your head spin. That said, if the offers coming in are only "haha, the Packers have to trade this dude, let's see if we can get him on the cheap, then I'd hold off.

Rodgers four year average is probably closer to 8-10th best QB in the league, but his last year was best QB in the league. I'd be willing to gamble that at 38, he's not going to maintain best QB in the league status and if I could get that kind of trade value back for him, then I'd be all over it.

Let’s say he does have a MVP season again… if you are the Packers not giving that guy to a competitor is also a net positive too. The win for GB is they get a kings ransom and AR is not very good for the team he goes to.

Post #984 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:49 pm

fleet wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:
fleet wrote:if scouts had questions, bet it is more the funky throwing motion, and he needs room to to step into his throws, room which may not be there in the NFL. Not the defense reading stuff that pundits were talking about. Nagy’s protections will need to be on point. Which could have something to do with the hyper focus on OTs in the draft. And O-line in free agency.

The Bears needed to focus on the oline regardless. Plus getting youth and depth on the oline is always smart.

Always smart, but not always done.

It should be though. Ask Emmit Smith and Aikman what they think the importance of an o-line is. Or when Denver could literally plug any running back in and they ended up as pro bowlers. A good o line should really be first priority. Like you said though it is not always done.

ThisGuyFawkes · Post #985 » by **ThisGuyFawkes** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:21 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
fleet wrote:
RedBulls23 wrote:The Bears needed to focus on the oline regardless. Plus getting youth and depth on the oline is always smart.

Always smart, but not always done.

It should be though. Ask Emmit Smith and Aikman what they think the importance of an o-line is. Or when Denver could literally plug any running back in and they ended up as pro bowlers. A good o line should really be first priority. Like you said though it is not always done.

The same could said of the defensive line. Those guys up front just make everyone else's job easier. If you have a top-tier offensive and defensive line, you're probably going deep into the playoffs.

Post #986 » by **dougthonus** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:28 pm

Was reading random articles on the the NFL on ESPN:
Offensive line ranking: 19th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31817568/projecting-nfl-best-worst-pass-protecting-offensive-lines-ranking-pass-block-win-rates-2021

What is maybe discouraging is that the gap between us at 19th and the worst is pretty small compared to the gap upwards, so it is a bit worse than this number based purely on their percentile rankings which I have no idea how much validity they have.

Ranking offensive skill players: 26th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31839267/nfl-offensive-weapons-ranking-all-32-teams-2021-barnwell-picks-best-worst-arsenals

Shows that this is going to be a tough road for whomever is the Bears starting QB. Not a lot of production, not a lot of talent around him.

Hold That · Post #987 » by **Hold That** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:43 pm

dougthonus wrote:Was reading random articles on the the NFL on ESPN:
Offensive line ranking: 19th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31817568/projecting-nfl-best-worst-pass-protecting-offensive-lines-ranking-pass-block-win-rates-2021

What is maybe discouraging is that the gap between us at 19th and the worst is pretty small compared to the gap upwards, so it is a bit worse than this number based purely on their percentile rankings which I have no idea how much validity they have.

Ranking offensive skill players: 26th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31839267/nfl-offensive-weapons-ranking-all-32-teams-2021-barnwell-picks-best-worst-arsenals

Shows that this is going to be a tough road for whomever is the Bears starting QB. Not a lot of production, not a lot of talent around him.

Kyler Murray took a 32nd(2018) ranked offense and turned it into a top 16 offense his rookie year(2019). I can see a similar leap if Fields pans out. Every skill player will look and likely be graded better, the QB position is just that impactful.

CjayC · Post #988 » by **CjayC** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:02 pm

Hold That wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Was reading random articles on the the NFL on ESPN:
Offensive line ranking: 19th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31817568/projecting-nfl-best-worst-pass-protecting-offensive-lines-ranking-pass-block-win-rates-2021

What is maybe discouraging is that the gap between us at 19th and the worst is pretty small compared to the gap upwards, so it is a bit worse than this number based purely on their percentile rankings which I have no idea how much validity they have.

Ranking offensive skill players: 26th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31839267/nfl-offensive-weapons-ranking-all-32-teams-2021-barnwell-picks-best-worst-arsenals

Shows that this is going to be a tough road for whomever is the Bears starting QB. Not a lot of production, not a lot of talent around him.

Kyler Murray took a 32nd(2018) ranked offense and turned it into a top 16 offense his rookie year(2019). I can see a similar leap if Fields pans out. Every skill player will look and likely be graded better, the QB position is just that impactful.

This. Robinson is Robinson, and it's not hard to imagine 2nd year leaps from players who will benefit from more experience and better QB play like Mooney, Kmet, and Montogomery. I feel more solid about the skill position players than I do the Oline right now at the moment.

On paper I guess I don't disagree with the rankings. To everyone else it probably looks like Robinson, the carcass of Jimmy Graham, maybe Cohen, and then a bunch of young guys who haven't made a name yet; but I feel fairly confident about the group as of now.

Jcool0 · Post #989 » by **Jcool0** » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:31 pm

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Susan · Post #990 » by **Susan** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:35 am

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dice · Post #991 » by **dice** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:52 am

Susan wrote:

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if that happens, his oddball wife will become the yoko ono of the sports world

dice · Post #992 » by **dice** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:59 am

dougthonus wrote:Was reading random articles on the the NFL on ESPN:
Offensive line ranking: 19th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31817568/projecting-nfl-best-worst-pass-protecting-offensive-lines-ranking-pass-block-win-rates-2021

What is maybe discouraging is that the gap between us at 19th and the worst is pretty small compared to the gap upwards, so it is a bit worse than this number based purely on their percentile rankings which I have no idea how much validity they have.

to be fair, that's only pass blocking. i know that the rookie is considered a strong run blocker. then again, the pass blocking ranking might be too high if you're just looking at numbers. the chemistry will need to be built. and there will be a steep learning curve in pass protection for a rookie run blocking specialist who has never played left tackle. the strong majority of nfl starting left tackles were drafted in the first round...as left tackles. if jenkins is even competent as a pass blocker it will be a win

Susan · Post #993 » by **Susan** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:39 am

dice wrote:
Susan wrote:

Read on Twitter

if that happens, his oddball wife will become the yoko ono of the sports world

Did you read the article? He'd retire, sit out the season and unreitre for the Packers to trade him.

Read on Twitter

Chi town · Post #994 » by **Chi town** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:59 am

I’m hungry for some Fields footage from training camp. Crazy to think first row season game is 3 weeks away

Post #995 » by **fleet** » Sat Jul 24, 2021 8:16 pm

dice wrote:
dougthonus wrote:Was reading random articles on the the NFL on ESPN:
Offensive line ranking: 19th
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31817568/projecting-nfl-best-worst-pass-protecting-offensive-lines-ranking-pass-block-win-rates-2021

What is maybe discouraging is that the gap between us at 19th and the worst is pretty small compared to the gap upwards, so it is a bit worse than this number based purely on their percentile rankings which I have no idea how much validity they have.

to be fair, that's only pass blocking. i know that the rookie is considered a strong run blocker. then again, the pass blocking ranking might be too high if you're just looking at numbers. the chemistry will need to be built. and there will be a steep learning curve in pass protection for a rookie run blocking specialist who has never played left tackle. the strong majority of nfl starting left tackles were drafted in the first round...as left tackles. if jenkins is even competent as a pass blocker it will be a win

Yes. Everything points to a heavier emphasis on a running attack with Williams and Montgomery . From inexperienced line talent in prominent roles, release of Leno, Nagy comments, Montgomery getting better. Rookie QB learning the offense not to mention and iffy veteran. Line could be a problem in a more advanced playbook with passing, but it can also be a surprise strength if Nagy calls a more conservative game plan.

dice · Post #996 » by **dice** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:17 am

to get an idea of who the QBs and rookie left tackle will be facing in the first half of the season, here is the first half of the schedule along with season-ending defensive rankings and notable edge/line players the bears will be facing:

week 1 at rams (# 8 defense, aaron freaking donald)
week 2 bengals (#30 defense)
week 3 at browns (#18 defense, #4 and #20 edge rushers myles garrett and jadeveon clowney)
week 4 lions (#29 defense)
week 5 at raiders (#21 defense)
week 6 pack (#4 defense, #13 edge rusher za'darius smith, #8 interior defender kenny clark)
week 7 at bucs (#3 defense, #9 edge rusher shaquil barrett, #7 interior defender vita vea)
week 8 niners (#11 defense, #5 and #21 edge rushers nick bosa and arik armstead)
week 9 at steelers (#10 defense, #2 edge rusher t.j. watt, #3 interior defender cameron heyward, #11 interior defender stephon tuitt)
week 10 bye week

i've mentioned that i think the realistic outer edge of fields seeing the field is after the bye week. having dalton face a weak defensive schedule in the first several weeks and then bringing in fields to face the nasty stuff doesn't make much sense (particularly if the team is winning), nor does bringing fields in before the offensive line works itself out in the first few weeks

Post #997 » by **fleet** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:44 am

For a bag of chips

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dice · Post #998 » by **dice** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:36 am

fleet wrote:For a bag of chips

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"late round pick swap" is pretty vague. is it a 7th rounder for a 6th rounder? regardless, someone must be clearly beating him out in camp to dump a cheap #3 receiver for that little

Chi town · Post #999 » by **Chi town** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:30 am

https://youtu.be/aJYL_4Mo0hM

Fields seems to have the leadership trait and the ultra competitive trait too. Add in his arm and athleticism and I think we got a winner.

Can’t wait for preseason.

Post #1000 » by **fleet** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:40 am

dice wrote:
fleet wrote:For a bag of chips

Read on Twitter

"late round pick swap" is pretty vague. is it a 7th rounder for a 6th rounder? regardless, someone must be clearly beating him out in camp to dump a cheap #3 receiver for that little

The move will save $1.2 million towards this year’s salary cap, with just under $500,000 in dead money

The guys they signed don’t seem like slot receiver types. Could be that Dazz Newsome is legit. Ridley and Wims haven’t shown potential to realize upside yet. But who knows. The timing is interesting because they didn’t get Miller a chance to rehab his value any in training camp or preseason games. It might be a lost cause at this point.