2021 Draft

[darealjuice]

I guess we'll see with these last first/early second round guards. Have a feeling part of the disappointment is that we've been discussing these guys and watching video for so long, when more often than not they are end of bench players. I know in 2018 I was excited about Elie Okobo, Jevon Carter, and Khyri Thomas and thought they were second round steals, and they're all end of bench players. Probably wouldn't have been hard to trade future picks/cash if we felt strongly about someone anyways.

That same year a lot of people were excited about Shamet too. And Shake Milton. But Shamet at least went earlier, like 26.

Yeah they ended up being decent bench players, just goes to show that the hit rate is low though.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Pretty mad we didn't get Butler even though I'd much rather have Shamet than Carter. I think Butler could have easily been a solid rotation player and that rookie contract is valuable and important with all our big salaries coming in within the next year.

Well hopefully our guards can find a way to hang defensively with the other bigger guards like Holiday, etc. That's why I really hope that we strongly consider Dejon Jarreau!

If Jevon Carter was 6'5 with better athleticism and a higher motor!

Watch on YouTube

He could really match Holiday defensively! He's relentless!

[WeekapaugGroove]

The NBA draft is a big event for the league and they sell the broadcasting rights yet screw the product by putting it before the start of the new league year. So many of these trades can't officially happen and it gets to be confusing and messy.

They need to fix that.

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[darealjuice]

Cooper dropping didn't surprise me much at all. Undersized guards that play below the rim, have bad jump shots, and aren't very good defensively don't succeed in the NBA often even if they're really good playmakers. See: Tyler Ulis.

[bwgood77]

Pretty mad we didn't get Butler even though I'd much rather have Shamet than Carter. I think Butler could have easily been a solid rotation player and that rookie contract is valuable and important with all our big salaries coming in within the next year.

Well hopefully our guards can find a way to hang defensively with the other bigger guards like Holiday, etc. That's why I really hope that we strongly consider Dejon Jarreau!

If Jevon Carter was 6'5 with better athleticism and a higher motor!

Watch on YouTube

He could really match Holiday defensively! He's relentless!

When you say "hang defensively" do you mean be as good as Jrue? That's unlikely for any draft prospect given he's one of the premier defenders in the NBA and few guards have played as well as he did defensively in the finals...that I remember..the only one that really sticks out as better on that end is Jordan.

[bwgood77]

Cooper dropping didn't surprise me much at all. Undersized guards that play below the rim, have bad jump shots, and aren't very good defensively don't succeed in the NBA often even if they're really good playmakers. See: Tyler Ulis.

Yeah, don't want him. Don't need another 6'1 guard. Plus he can't shoot. 22% from 3 in college...probably not translate well to the pros.

Edit: Maybe he is taller than that now. I see The Ringer has him at 6'3.5 but still can't shoot and has very thin frame.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Pretty mad we didn't get Butler even though I'd much rather have Shamet than Carter. I think Butler could have easily been a solid rotation player and that rookie contract is valuable and important with all our big salaries coming in within the next year.

Well hopefully our guards can find a way to hang defensively with the other bigger guards like Holiday, etc. That's why I really hope that we strongly consider Dejon Jarreau!

If Jevon Carter was 6'5 with better athleticism and a higher motor!

Watch on YouTube

He could really match Holiday defensively! He's relentless!

When you say "hang defensively" do you mean be as good as Jrue? That's unlikely for any draft prospect given he's one of the premier defenders in the NBA and few guards have played as well as he did defensively in the finals...that I remember..the only one that really sticks out as better on that end is Jordan.

Perhaps not as good as right away anyways, But "hang" keep up mostly is much better than having a backcourt that'd be a defensive liability. And he might even project very similarly defensively. Not that any rookie should be expected to replicate that level from the jump of course. I'm sure it was even a process for Jrue himself upon entering the league.

But having the skillset and determination, motor, potential is a great start. And IF those skills translate comparably, Then you get great value regardless considering he'd be an undrafted two way player. Have you by chance checked out his profile and seen his clips?

[Slim Charless]

So the Suns could of had their choice of Shariffe Cooper, Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Ayo Dosunmu, JT Thor, Neemias Queta, etc.

But they got Landry Shamet. I really hope that this proves to be the best decision for us long term?

Would gladly take Shamet over all of them. Are you nuts?

IDK about that. Shariff Cooper or Ayo would've been nice choices to have learn behind CP3 for a year or 2, especially if we lose Payne. Oh well, Landry should definately help next year.

I do wonder what's going on in Orlando and Sac though. Both teams have an abundance of PGs all of a sudden. Maybe a trade is brewing? Simmons for Fox makes a ton of sense imo.

Otherwise, JJ should be on the phone with both of those GMs to see about grabbing 1 of their guards if possible.

[Slim Charless]

Well hopefully our guards can find a way to hang defensively with the other bigger guards like Holiday, etc. That's why I really hope that we strongly consider Dejon Jarreau!

If Jevon Carter was 6'5 with better athleticism and a higher motor!

Watch on YouTube

He could really match Holiday defensively! He's relentless!

When you say "hang defensively" do you mean be as good as Jrue? That's unlikely for any draft prospect given he's one of the premier defenders in the NBA and few guards have played as well as he did defensively in the finals...that I remember..the only one that really sticks out as better on that end is Jordan.

Perhaps not as good as right away anyways, But "hang" keep up mostly is much better than having a backcourt that'd be a defensive liability. And he might even project very similarly defensively. Not that any rookie should be expected to replicate that level from the jump of course. I'm sure it was even a process for Jrue himself upon entering the league.

But having the skillset and determination, motor, potential is a great start. And IF those skills translate comparably, Then you get great value regardless considering he'd be an undrafted two way player. Have you by chance checked out his profile and seen his clips?

Any opinions on Nix? He's my 1st call if he can make it through these last few picks undrafted. Needs time, but that's fine. Big guard and is a pass first player. Could learn a few things from Chris and be ready in 2 yrs-when our Point God is starting to fall off.

[cberry78]

When you say "hang defensively" do you mean be as good as Jrue? That's unlikely for any draft prospect given he's one of the premier defenders in the NBA and few guards have played as well as he did defensively in the finals...that I remember..the only one that really sticks out as better on that end is Jordan.

Perhaps not as good as right away anyways, But "hang" keep up mostly is much better than having a backcourt that'd be a defensive liability. And he might even project very similarly defensively. Not that any rookie should be expected to replicate that level from the jump of course. I'm sure it was even a process for Jrue himself upon entering the league.

But having the skillset and determination, motor, potential is a great start. And IF those skills translate comparably, Then you get great value regardless considering he'd be an undrafted two way player. Have you by chance checked out his profile and seen his clips?

Any opinions on Nix? He's my 1st call if he can make it through these last few picks undrafted. Needs time, but that's fine. Big guard and is a pass first player. Could learn a few things from Chris and be ready in 2 yrs-when our Point God is starting to fall off.

I was just coming here to say this.

[bwgood77]

Perhaps not as good as right away anyways, But "hang" keep up mostly is much better than having a backcourt that'd be a defensive liability. And he might even project very similarly defensively. Not that any rookie should be expected to replicate that level from the jump of course. I'm sure it was even a process for Jrue himself upon entering the league.

But having the skillset and determination, motor, potential is a great start. And IF those skills translate comparably, Then you get great value regardless considering he'd be an undrafted two way player. Have you by chance checked out his profile and seen his clips?

Any opinions on Nix? He's my 1st call if he can make it through these last few picks undrafted. Needs time, but that's fine. Big guard and is a pass first player. Could learn a few things from Chris and be ready in 2 yrs-when our Point God is starting to fall off.

I was just coming here to say this.

Nix is intereseting. I was just thinking the same thing about Joel Ayayi.

Here is what ESPN guys have to say about Nix:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Good size for a point guard at 6-5 with a strong 215-pound frame. Fluid ball handler who operates at different speeds well. Has outstanding body control and pace. Can power through defenders with his strong frame, using long strides, polished footwork and impressive creativity as a finisher.
- Excellent passer who empowers teammates. Has good court vision seeing over the top of defenses and making advanced passes out of pick-and-roll. Can thread the needle through tight windows on the move with either hand.
- Shows impressive instincts defensively and on the glass. Gets in passing lanes frequently. Game comes very easily for him on both ends of the floor. Has some toughness and is not afraid to play through contact.

Improvement areas
- Not the most explosive athlete in terms of burst or leaping ability. Isn't always able to create separation from defenders using his first step. Relies heavily on touch and craft inside the arc.
- Perimeter shooting has been streaky throughout his career. Relies heavily on pull-up jumpers due to his average athleticism but has been inconsistent with the results.
- Has always been the focal point of the offense against mostly low-level competition. Struggles to play off the ball. Casual with his on-court demeanor and approach to the game. NBA teams have gotten little exposure to him outside of one poor showing at a Nike Hoop Summit scrimmage. Has a lot to prove with the G League venture.

Projected role: Big playmaker

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

[RedIndian]

Saw a bit of Nix in the G-League as well as the Draft Combine.

Major concerns. His effort on D is putrid. Plays like he genuinely does not care. Horrible jump shot too. Can't see Jones taking a flyer on him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

So the Suns could of had their choice of Shariffe Cooper, Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Ayo Dosunmu, JT Thor, Neemias Queta, etc.

But they got Landry Shamet. I really hope that this proves to be the best decision for us long term?

Would gladly take Shamet over all of them. Are you nuts?

Hardly!.......lol. Feel free to explain how you came to such an assumption based upon my post? Eye of the beholder opinion it seems. Please understand, We already have a 6th man scoring guard option in Cam Payne. What we don't have any longer after moving Carter via trade, Is a strong defensive guard with playmaking ability. Sure we needed to upgrade our shooting, But not like we couldn't have found that in free agency on the cheap anyways. We need a strong two way playmaking guard to apprentice under Paul. We also need defense, Both in the post ( rim protection and on the perimeter too. We need to upgrade our size and athleticism for critical rebounding issues.

Look, I'm not saying that I don't like Shamet, He's going to vibe a dynamic shooter at times for us. What we won't do is play solid defense. Again, We can easily enough find quality shooting ( aside from what we already have on our roster in Galloway ( which we didn't hardly even use)!!!

If we by chance lose Payne, Who then becomes our primary option in absence of Paul? Is Shamet really that solution?? The pick included shouldn't have been at all necessary with the Nets NEEDING to move off his contract for cap relief. If the cap relief was for our interests, We should've just traded back as many other teams had done! To me, it just seems to be an unecessary overpay is all. If Shamet makes me eat crow, Then I'll gladly admit I was wrong about my concerns! But let's just see how this plays out first ......yes?

[bwgood77]

So the Suns could of had their choice of Shariffe Cooper, Jared Butler, Miles McBride, Ayo Dosunmu, JT Thor, Neemias Queta, etc.

But they got Landry Shamet. I really hope that this proves to be the best decision for us long term?

Would gladly take Shamet over all of them. Are you nuts?

Hardly!.......lol. Feel free to explain how you came to such an assumption based upon my post? Eye of the beholder opinion it seems. But I'm interested to hear your validation of your claim?

I saw my two favorites, Butler and Queta went 39 and 40. Not sure why Butler dropped that far after I thought his medical clearance was good. that seems like a steal.

To change the question...

If they go undrafted, who would you rather have, Joel Ayayi or Daishen Nix?

[cberry78]

Would gladly take Shamet over all of them. Are you nuts?

Hardly!.......lol. Feel free to explain how you came to such an assumption based upon my post? Eye of the beholder opinion it seems. But I'm interested to hear your validation of your claim?

I saw my two favorites, Butler and Queta went 39 and 40. Not sure why Butler dropped that far after I thought his medical clearance was good. that seems like a steal.

To change the question...

If they go undrafted, who would you rather have, Joel Ayayi or Daishen Nix?

[Slim Charless]

Any opinions on Nix? He's my 1st call if he can make it through these last few picks undrafted. Needs time, but that's fine. Big guard and is a pass first player. Could learn a few things from Chris and be ready in 2 yrs-when our Point God is starting to fall off.

I was just coming here to say this.

Nix is intereseting. I was just thinking the same thing about Joel Ayayi.

Here is what ESPN guys have to say about Nix:

Pre-Draft Analysis
Strengths
- Good size for a point guard at 6-5 with a strong 215-pound frame. Fluid ball handler who operates at different speeds well. Has outstanding body control and pace. Can power through defenders with his strong frame, using long strides, polished footwork and impressive creativity as a finisher.
- Excellent passer who empowers teammates. Has good court vision seeing over the top of defenses and making advanced passes out of pick-and-roll. Can thread the needle through tight windows on the move with either hand.
- Shows impressive instincts defensively and on the glass. Gets in passing lanes frequently. Game comes very easily for him on both ends of the floor. Has some toughness and is not afraid to play through contact.

Improvement areas
- Not the most explosive athlete in terms of burst or leaping ability. Isn't always able to create separation from defenders using his first step. Relies heavily on touch and craft inside the arc.
- Perimeter shooting has been streaky throughout his career. Relies heavily on pull-up jumpers due to his average athleticism but has been inconsistent with the results.
- Has always been the focal point of the offense against mostly low-level competition. Struggles to play off the ball. Casual with his on-court demeanor and approach to the game. NBA teams have gotten little exposure to him outside of one poor showing at a Nike Hoop Summit scrimmage. Has a lot to prove with the G League venture.

Projected role: Big playmaker

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

I'm down. Make the call JJ.

Nix in the valley.

[bwoolf2]

Would gladly take Shamet over all of them. Are you nuts?

Hardly!.......lol. Feel free to explain how you came to such an assumption based upon my post? Eye of the beholder opinion it seems. But I'm interested to hear your validation of your claim?

I saw my two favorites, Butler and Queta went 39 and 40. Not sure why Butler dropped that far after I thought his medical clearance was good. that seems like a steal.

To change the question...

If they go undrafted, who would you rather have, Joel Ayayi or Daishen Nix?

Nix pass 1st pg with size to learn from CP3

[Sal85012]

Ayayi 2 way to lakers. These guys likely already have something lined up I doubt we bring anyone of note in.

[bwoolf2]

Like to see Nix and Ej Onu brought in

[bwgood77]

Ayayi 2 way to lakers. These guys likely already have something lined up I doubt we bring anyone of note in.

Already signed 2 way? That seems awful early to settle for a 2 way.

Seems odd when you could play in a summer league and compete for actual roster spot in a camp.

I guess it's some security.