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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#1321 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:11 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Final thoughts of the AM

I get where fans want to get CP3. Or Lowry. Or Lillard. Or Beal.
I've also stated I think Beal is happening.

I'd rather the Knicks get some combination of Sexton, Ball, THT, Trent Jr, even Oubre - though Oubre would be last, after a few other players and definitely dependent on contract length and amount.

I can hear the arguments against it. "Not a contender". "That team is on the treadmill". "Capped out, for what?"

If done right, I think there can be a good playoff team that maintains most of it's assets, with players that are still young and can develop even more, and most crucially, players that are all attractive to other teams.

I wouldn't mind an iterative step of a couple of years of that and THEN the big move that puts the Knicks squarely into contention.

Realistically, the Knicks are going to go from outright sucking to contenders in two seasons - this offseason? I think not.

I'm just not against the kind of team indicated above. Could be good. Could be fun.

Damn, had no idea you were such an optimist with Beal.

I’m starting backwards…what do I not want the Knicks to do?

So…no Shroeder, no Dimwitted, no Oubre. Not at market value anyway. Maybe I can be swayed on Oubre if someone gives me a good argument.


I've posted a few other times in other topics about Beal, this AM.
Just kind of wound up with this gut feeling he's the target, that Beal and WWW have this thing cooked up.

I don't even care about it. Optimism would indicate I'm looking forward to it in some way. I've never been more indifferent to a pretty good player potentially becoming a Knick. I just think the Wizards are rebooting. I'm not sure why they tried to to the Westbrook/Beal thing in the first place, though they've solved Westbrook.

I could be all wet here, and they like their team and core and will fill the Westbrook gap with a more logical player for Beal.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#1322 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:13 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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Just since 2000's
Francis, Marbury, Bibby, Baren Davids, Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd,

What is "point guards whose careers ended in New York" I'll take "Knicks being Knicks" for 500 Alex (RIP)


There's enough young players in FA between RFA, UFA, and possible trade scenarios, where Knicks don't have to have some fossil PG.

That's why I want them to target Sexton/Ball/THT/Trent Jr. Maybe Oubre.

Let the team be young, for once.

I don't hate it. THT would have to be a sign and trade because a balloon deal would be terrible.
Just don't want Schroder


Can't they frontload the balloon? I guess the cap hit is still averaged though. Descending contract.
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Post#1323 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:16 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Final thoughts of the AM

I get where fans want to get CP3. Or Lowry. Or Lillard. Or Beal.
I've also stated I think Beal is happening.

I'd rather the Knicks get some combination of Sexton, Ball, THT, Trent Jr, even Oubre - though Oubre would be last, after a few other players and definitely dependent on contract length and amount.

I can hear the arguments against it. "Not a contender". "That team is on the treadmill". "Capped out, for what?"

If done right, I think there can be a good playoff team that maintains most of it's assets, with players that are still young and can develop even more, and most crucially, players that are all attractive to other teams.

I wouldn't mind an iterative step of a couple of years of that and THEN the big move that puts the Knicks squarely into contention.

Realistically, the Knicks are going to go from outright sucking to contenders in two seasons - this offseason? I think not.

I'm just not against the kind of team indicated above. Could be good. Could be fun.

What asset you giving for Sexton?


It'll probably take Obi and a pick

I like Ball, but he can't be a Knick unless the SG is elite at shot creation into the paint.
Or, Ball can be a Knick if the PG is a three level scorer/creator type.

So, I like both players, but they also kind of need another kind of player next to them, especially Ball.

Also, this is what I would "like" but I have no idea what they will do.

For all I know, they go Schroeder\Fournier.

Honestly Ball is fine as a point guard. We also happen to have IQ and our draftees could play alongside without issue.

Do we need a superstar who is a slasher/foul creator? yea.
RJ needs to be that guy. Not worried about Ball as a starter for the moment.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#1324 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:17 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
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There's enough young players in FA between RFA, UFA, and possible trade scenarios, where Knicks don't have to have some fossil PG.

That's why I want them to target Sexton/Ball/THT/Trent Jr. Maybe Oubre.

Let the team be young, for once.

I don't hate it. THT would have to be a sign and trade because a balloon deal would be terrible.
Just don't want Schroder


Can't they frontload the balloon? I guess the cap hit is still averaged though. Descending contract.

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.
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Post#1325 » by Dave DaButcher » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:22 pm

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nykballa2k4 wrote:
The Vo Show wrote:
I thought that in 2019 and he's been my favorite pg in the league for a while. But the guy had a great year.


Just since 2000's
Francis, Marbury, Bibby, Baren Davids, Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd,

What is "point guards whose careers ended in New York" I'll take "Knicks being Knicks" for 500 Alex (RIP)


There's enough young players in FA between RFA, UFA, and possible trade scenarios, where Knicks don't have to have some fossil PG.

That's why I want them to target Sexton/Ball/THT/Trent Jr. Maybe Oubre.

Let the team be young, for once.

Like many of us here, I’d much rather they continue to build from the inside out, adding to a developing home grown young core (I count Randle as “home grown” because I choose to).

Anyway, realistic options to add shooting/scoring would seem to include guys like Devonte Graham (who’s now expendable with a crowded backcourt in CHA), Fournier and Dougie McBuckets.

That still leaves the PG spot unresolved. I’m hoping they do not address it via Dinwiddie, who’s such an unlikable character. Schroeder is a big no for me. Ball’s style just doesn’t seem to fit, but maybe he can adapt? Otherwise, it’s throwing the bag at a fossil, I guess.

This is a tough one absent a trade that will likely cost a lot.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#1326 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:32 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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nykballa2k4 wrote:What asset you giving for Sexton?


It'll probably take Obi and a pick

I like Ball, but he can't be a Knick unless the SG is elite at shot creation into the paint.
Or, Ball can be a Knick if the PG is a three level scorer/creator type.

So, I like both players, but they also kind of need another kind of player next to them, especially Ball.

Also, this is what I would "like" but I have no idea what they will do.

For all I know, they go Schroeder\Fournier.

Honestly Ball is fine as a point guard. We also happen to have IQ and our draftees could play alongside without issue.

Do we need a superstar who is a slasher/foul creator? yea.
RJ needs to be that guy. Not worried about Ball as a starter for the moment.


Ball needs that slasher. He could function as the PG IF the wing is very good at that. RJ is NOT very good at that. Right now. And probably for a couple more years.

I like Ball. But the roster would lack slashers if it's Ball and that's it.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#1327 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:32 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:I don't hate it. THT would have to be a sign and trade because a balloon deal would be terrible.
Just don't want Schroder


Can't they frontload the balloon? I guess the cap hit is still averaged though. Descending contract.

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.


Right, what is wrong with that?
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Post#1328 » by Bob Ross » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:38 pm

I'd be happy with Lonzo but hoping for Lowry. I think we would be ready for a player like Beal then. Just hope it doesn't cost RJ, which of course it will
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Post#1329 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:41 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
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Can't they frontload the balloon? I guess the cap hit is still averaged though. Descending contract.

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.


Right, what is wrong with that?

In the event we need cap space in his year three, he'd be making the max for his years of exp.
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Post#1330 » by iLLmatic860 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:42 pm

Whats the Spiciest rumor going on?
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Post#1331 » by snadler » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:04 pm

According to bleacher report:

Schroeder, Fournier, Taylor Horton tucker..

If that’s their off season, I’ll puke
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Post#1332 » by NYF13 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:16 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Can't they frontload the balloon? I guess the cap hit is still averaged though. Descending contract.

It would look just like the Houston Lin contract.


Right, what is wrong with that?

I think a super agent like Leon knows when not to purchase/trade for a player who just scored career high because you have to clean the farm system.

So I really doubt Beal is a target. Plus he was injury prone earlier in his career. Plus and a big plus, unlike it’s for a top 5 player, RJ will not be traded.

I think Knicks will go hard after anyone who will accept 1+1 deals. May be a bloated ones. Like trading for Sexton because his extension will come in the books next year. Same with Dinwiddie because he was just injured and who would play him that much money. 1 yr deal in this case makes sense for him. Oubre can be had like that as well. Hence you heard their names in all sort of rumors. Rest assured Knicks will not plan to retain mediocre players while sacrificing 2022 cap. Hope that makes sense.
In short, all I am saying is RJ-Brunson-Grimes-Quickley-Randle are the untouchables moving forward.
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Post#1333 » by DaGawd » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:22 pm

snadler wrote:According to bleacher report:

Schroeder, Fournier, Taylor Horton tucker..

If that’s their off season, I’ll puke

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Post#1334 » by SARGO127 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:23 pm

snadler wrote:According to bleacher report:

Schroeder, Fournier, Taylor Horton tucker..

If that’s their off season, I’ll puke



God no. I’d rather do nothing.
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Post#1335 » by knickstape4ever » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:24 pm

Bob Ross wrote:I'd be happy with Lonzo but hoping for Lowry. I think we would be ready for a player like Beal then. Just hope it doesn't cost RJ, which of course it will


f*ck trading RJ for Beal

he's gonna be FA next offseason, if he really wants to be here, he'll come that way. otherwise, best not to have another Melo situation
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Post#1336 » by NYF13 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:24 pm

Even if they bring in Bullocks or Rose or ball/Nunn/Devonte, you would see Lin type contracts. Try as much cap as possible. So at the least they can be traded if it does not work out. Kapish!
In short, all I am saying is RJ-Brunson-Grimes-Quickley-Randle are the untouchables moving forward.
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Post#1337 » by knickstape4ever » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:26 pm

snadler wrote:According to bleacher report:

Schroeder, Fournier, Taylor Horton tucker..

If that’s their off season, I’ll puke


Lonzo and then everything else 1yr deals to maintain cap space for a Beal or LaVine next offseason
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Post#1338 » by Buttah304 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:41 pm

Dennis Schroder is the one FA who will cause me to turn on Rose and WWW that very day. I will never, and I mean ever support them and will be rooting for their demise.
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Post#1339 » by DaGawd » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:50 pm

We really need that Sexton trade to come thru
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Post#1340 » by seren » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:51 pm

Does anyone know whether we have submitted a qualifying offer to Frank? Or is he unrestricted now?

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