MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

[IceColdCubano]

We really, REALLY, need Lowry and Herro to score like crazy if we don't want to be bottom 3 offense this year.

I'm very down on Bam's offensive development, Tucker might be the worst offensive player in the league probably, Duncan is very limited.

Scoring a bucket might look like pulling teeth out.

Lowry is a significant upgrade over Nunn and Dragic offensively. The only need now is for another person who can drive to basket to break down a defense, whether that's Oladipo come December or someone else. I don't think the team will be as bad on offense as you're making them out to be.

An upgrade individually absolutely, together not a chance. Somebody else is going to have to take on some of the scoring lost by both of those guys combined. Were hoping, Bam improves in scoring, Lowry making better passes will help with that. Hero is someone that can increase his PPG we hope. Our bench guys as a collective might have to improve there as well.

[TroubleS0me]

Right I hear you, but how do we do that without shipping out a contract at a higher value and receiving one at a lower value? We likely are not trading Tucker, Lowry, Robinson, Jimmy, or Bam. And if we sent Herro out it probably isn't bringing back lower financial contract. Most everyone else is on minimums, so unless I am missing something blatantly obvious (which I could be and we appreciate it being pointed out) then we need to construct our roster for this season with minimal movement in mind.

If you start looking at the money in the next few years, Herro may be the odd man out. I don't think Miami will trade Robinson now(I expect he took less to stay), Butler and Bam will be maxed, Lowry will still be paid the first year of what would be Herro's contract and I'd expect Oladipo to be under contract. Herro will probably get moved this season or in the next offseason depending on Oladipo's recovery because someone is going to be willing to pay Herro more then Miami wants to pay him in 2 years. Maybe you combine Herro and Tucker for a better PF on a solid and long contract. Maybe Herro goes to OKC to get multiple assets for instance Miami's 2023 pick back unlocking the picks behind it.

Miami still has moves to do in the next 2 seasons, it's not as done as some media people believe.

Honestly I personally feel like the better move is giving Jimmy these next two years with this squad to do what he can, and then start rebuilding around Bam and Herro (provided he continues to progress skill wise). I would like for us to keep at least one high potential player on Bam's timeline to help him rebuild. This season and next season was a play to Jimmy's ego and a reward for his effort, but not strategy towards maximizing our chances at a title in the next five years. I would have played it differently and gone young trying to duck the next couple years of Brooklyn and the bucks and develop a roster focused on chemistry and skill development that would come into its own as those two teams slow down (not that Giannis would be, but Jrue and Middleton could be).

bam is not a franhise player

[HeatIn5]

looking at our roster, i'm kinda down to bring back ustise

[BBallFreak]

Yeah, Strus has the potential to be a really solid rotation player for Miami. He shoots well, can create for himself a bit, and is a decent defender. Their were times last year I thought he looked better than Robinson or Herro. Still got work to do, of course, but he's off to a good start. I think it's possible that he joins the regular rotation, but more than likely all the wing minutes will be divided up between Jimmy, Robinson, and Herro. That leave 32 for each player with adjustments made up or down depending on the night.

Point guard minutes are far more concerning with our current roster construction. I don't see Vincent as being ready to take a regular role yet, though I love his defensive disposition. I just don't see the consistency on offense, yet. He'll have big games with 20 or more points, then disappear the next game. That's an issue. I think we need a reliable backup behind Lowry. My preference would obviously be Shroeder, Jackson, or Williams on a minimum deal, but that seems unrealistic given our salary constraints right now. So that leaves the undrafted rookie market and Vincent as our options. To be honest, neither option scares me, but to this point, I'm not excited by either.

I'm all for bringing back Yurtseven. I love a big man who can shoot the three and rebound. If he can play defense at all, he's got potential to be a big time piece for us moving forward.

Outside of that, I'm thrilled with Robinson and Dedmon, happy with Morris, lukewarm on Tucker (love his toughness and grit, but his lack of production is concerning to me), and very nervous about Lowry ($90 million for a guy that age?!?! This is a direct result of Chris Paul's season, but I'm not sure Lowry has the commitment to fitness that Paul has displayed recently).

It's going to be an interesting season. One thing is for sure, Riley was pissed with the sweep and decided that we couldn't go out like that again. We won't...

[wade44]

Hope we can get at least 2 of Winslow, Danny Green, and Oladipo

[BBallFreak]

I don't get why anyone would want Justise Winslow back on this team. He'll never be available, and when he is, he'll miss jumper after jumper after jumper.

I get Danny Green and Oladipo. I just don't understand why we'd want Justise...

[IceColdCubano]

Yeah, Strus has the potential to be a really solid rotation player for Miami. He shoots well, can create for himself a bit, and is a decent defender. Their were times last year I thought he looked better than Robinson or Herro. Still got work to do, of course, but he's off to a good start. I think it's possible that he joins the regular rotation, but more than likely all the wing minutes will be divided up between Jimmy, Robinson, and Herro. That leave 32 for each player with adjustments made up or down depending on the night.

Point guard minutes are far more concerning with our current roster construction. I don't see Vincent as being ready to take a regular role yet, though I love his defensive disposition. I just don't see the consistency on offense, yet. He'll have big games with 20 or more points, then disappear the next game. That's an issue. I think we need a reliable backup behind Lowry. My preference would obviously be Shroeder, Jackson, or Williams on a minimum deal, but that seems unrealistic given our salary constraints right now. So that leaves the undrafted rookie market and Vincent as our options. To be honest, neither option scares me, but to this point, I'm not excited by either.

I'm all for bringing back Yurtseven. I love a big man who can shoot the three and rebound. If he can play defense at all, he's got potential to be a big time piece for us moving forward.

Outside of that, I'm thrilled with Robinson and Dedmon, happy with Morris, lukewarm on Tucker (love his toughness and grit, but his lack of production is concerning to me), and very nervous about Lowry ($90 million for a guy that age?!?! This is a direct result of Chris Paul's season, but I'm not sure Lowry has the commitment to fitness that Paul has displayed recently).

It's going to be an interesting season. One thing is for sure, Riley was pissed with the sweep and decided that we couldn't go out like that again. We won't...

I am hoping Miami faces the Bucks in the first round again. I want to go at them and do to them like we did during the Bubble. Mostly because I want to really see how we improved, getting swept and or winning 1 game means this was all a lateral move. I want to gage this team moving forward what they can really do.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

We really, REALLY, need Lowry and Herro to score like crazy if we don't want to be bottom 3 offense this year.

I'm very down on Bam's offensive development, Tucker might be the worst offensive player in the league probably, Duncan is very limited.

Scoring a bucket might look like pulling teeth out.

Don't underestimate how important having an actual competent PG is to any offense. We had one in the 2020 playoffs when Gogi was playing great as our starter, and the result was a 113.5 ORTG in 21 games despite the entire sample size coming vs strong defenses (and our final series when Gogi was injured and our ORTG dropped to 112.2 over 6 games). That 113.5 ORTG would've been 4th in the NBA during the regular season

I expect Lowry to substantially elevate our offense from the myopic disastee we saw last season when we were counting on non-PGs like Nunn and Herro to be our floor generals

[wade44]

I don't get why anyone would want Justise Winslow back on this team. He'll never be available, and when he is, he'll miss jumper after jumper after jumper.

I get Danny Green and Oladipo. I just don't understand why we'd want Justise...

Another guy on the roster that can handle the ball and initiate offense and play good defense. Eh bring him back for the minimum maybe we can channel point Winslow again

Furthermore id much rather run him at PG than Gabe

[MettaWorldPanda]

looking at our roster, i'm kinda down to bring back ustise

As crazy as it sounds he would be a great fit as the backup 3 and point forward. It’s all about if his mind is right.

[Bishop45]

I don't get why anyone would want Justise Winslow back on this team. He'll never be available, and when he is, he'll miss jumper after jumper after jumper.

I get Danny Green and Oladipo. I just don't understand why we'd want Justise...

Winslow was a useful rotational player outside of injury, imo; I'd bring him in on a minimum bid tbch

[MettaWorldPanda]

Beggars can’t be choosers right now. Point Winnie may work this go around with Herro and Vincent coming off the bench.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Reggie Jackson just take the one year BAE and rebuild your value

[Slot Machine]

Definitely don’t feel comfortable going into the season with Vincent as the backup 1

[heatwillbeback]

Definitely don’t feel comfortable going into the season with Vincent as the backup 1

Yep. I find this to be a bigger issue than wing.

A guy like Avery Bradley can help with both. I agree with those who have said he really fits this new squad.

[HeatIn5]

I don't get why anyone would want Justise Winslow back on this team. He'll never be available, and when he is, he'll miss jumper after jumper after jumper.

I get Danny Green and Oladipo. I just don't understand why we'd want Justise...

Has played PG in our system with success, would fit a role as backup 3 and PG (as been said), has versatility, would only be asked to play 10ish min a night.

Throw him out there with guys like Herro/Strus/Morris and he won't be asked to take jumper after jumper. if he takes more than 2-3 shots something is wrong.

[twix2500]

I dont think Vincent played point for Nigeria. Which is concerning.

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[RexBoyWonder]

looking at our roster, i'm kinda down to bring back ustise

Not going to happen, left on bad terms..bad blood there.

Beasley would make more sense, at least he can score some

[Vertical Limit]

Reggie Jackson just played himself… he thought that his improvement warranted a certain number… now everyone is capped out.. come here on a one year prove it deal.. no state tax so you get more money here than you would in LA

[RexBoyWonder]

We really, REALLY, need Lowry and Herro to score like crazy if we don't want to be bottom 3 offense this year.

I'm very down on Bam's offensive development, Tucker might be the worst offensive player in the league probably, Duncan is very limited.

Scoring a bucket might look like pulling teeth out.

Lowry is a significant upgrade over Nunn and Dragic offensively. The only need now is for another person who can drive to basket to break down a defense, whether that's Oladipo come December or someone else. I don't think the team will be as bad on offense as you're making them out to be.

Lowry isn't an upgrade over Dragic AND Nunn - that's crazy talk. We lost Nunn who had a real role as a scorer and we replaced him with no one. Lowry might be a bit better then Dragic alone. Also PJ Tucker is a lot worse offensively then Ariza - I can't understand how someone can think we'll be a good offense.

We weren't a good offense last year and we took a sure step back.