Possible reasons for the Lowry S&T hold up (Powell, WCS from DAL for Dragic)

[douggood]

Should hearnsomething by 12pm if we are trading him

What makes you say that

because thats when it is first allowed; all the trades/signings around the league are not not offical until noon today when they can be submitted to nba HQ.

[dkb9696]

Should hearnsomething by 12pm if we are trading him

What makes you say that

because thats when it is first allowed; all the trades/signings around the league are not not offical until noon today when they can be submitted to nba HQ.

Well at least we will not need to wait much longer to figure out what is going on. Thanks for letting me know.

[WuTang_CMB]

What makes you say that

because thats when it is first allowed; all the trades/signings around the league are not not offical until noon today when they can be submitted to nba HQ.

Well at least we will not need to wait much longer to figure out what is going on. Thanks for letting me know.

The Lowry deal will most certainly be finalized today. Dragic deal if there is one, still up in the air

[dhackett1565]

What makes you say that

If the Heat and Lowry want to get it over with, noon is when they are allowed to officially sign the contract, and the deal needs to happen roughly at the same time as the signing. So noon is a fair expectation of an announcement of the trade details, and any Dragic trade is easier to pull off if rolled directly into the Lowry SnT than trying to flip him later. Of course, it is possible, but there is at least a reason to believe that the odds of hearing something go up once the SnT is happening.

Thanks. I am looking forward when everything is made official. I am not holding my breath regarding Dragic being traded though. Do you know of there Is there any truth that the Heat need to improve the trade package if Dragic is not traded in a 3 team deal?

I don't know if there's any truth to that. It's a possible explanation why details haven't leaked on the trade - that is, the details weren't finalized so there was nothing to leak. However, it is also possible that the teams are just good at not leaking when they don't want to.

[HangTime]

At worst, you take the additional compensation from Miami, and hold onto Dragic like the Grizzlies did with Iggy.

[Federalies]

If the Heat and Lowry want to get it over with, noon is when they are allowed to officially sign the contract, and the deal needs to happen roughly at the same time as the signing. So noon is a fair expectation of an announcement of the trade details, and any Dragic trade is easier to pull off if rolled directly into the Lowry SnT than trying to flip him later. Of course, it is possible, but there is at least a reason to believe that the odds of hearing something go up once the SnT is happening.

Thanks. I am looking forward when everything is made official. I am not holding my breath regarding Dragic being traded though. Do you know of there Is there any truth that the Heat need to improve the trade package if Dragic is not traded in a 3 team deal?

I don't know if there's any truth to that. It's a possible explanation why details haven't leaked on the trade - that is, the details weren't finalized so there was nothing to leak. However, it is also possible that the teams are just good at not leaking when they don't want to.

Should we assume you’re prepping an updated “Salary Breakdown” for the team once all the pieces are clarified?

[Asif16]

No reason to buy out dragic. Keep him

[Federalies]

No reason to buy out dragic. Keep him

I agree, the dude played well coming off the bench this year (26.7 min per) and would slide in as our backup SG. He shot 37.3% from 3 and 82.8% from the line for 13.4 PPG (= over 18 per 36). He can pass and rebound a little and he’s not Matt Thomas on D!

All in all, I honestly never liked Dragic as he seemed a little dirty but that said, his teammates seem to love him so he shouldn’t be a locker room distraction. If he plays half decent there’s more than a good chance he’s considered a positive trade asset at the deadline!

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[Asif16]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

[dkb9696]

At worst, you take the additional compensation from Miami, and hold onto Dragic like the Grizzlies did with Iggy.

Do you think the Raptors should just tell him to stay home until they find a trade? This would prevent him from getting injured and talking minutes from the young guards.

[WuTang_CMB]

ok here we go

[douggood]

i am not expecting anything official for another day or 2 on the lowry s&t; wait for a few more dominoes to fall in free agency before finalizing it.

[biblast]

Has Dragic been traded yet ?


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[redeye514]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Yep - thats my depth chart as well.

I've done a 180 on Dragic.. going from 'theres no way we will keep him' to 'he actually checks the boxes for the Raps need, keep him!'

The guy is a crafty ball handler / offense initiator, can score for himself and has range. This is exactly what our current roster needs, so why move him unless Masai can get a younger piece that he likes / wants to invest in? If that piece dopesnt exist, then role with Dragic for a year, evaluate the roster, and see what next off season brings for tinkering.

Keeping Dragic for one year is not a horrible situation and can actually lead to some positive surprises. Dragic is playing for a contract after all, and may actually ball out... keep in mind, Dragic is a baby step removed from being the leading scorer on the Heat within their Finals run. Whos to say he cant be a 18/5/4 guy with us in his contract year, while offering some veteran leadership along the way? Heck, If Goran really balls light out, I can see Masai wanting to keep on a 2 year extension.. he is kinds a slightly worse Lowry.

[c3luong]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Yep - thats my depth chart as well.

I've done a 180 on Dragic.. going from 'theres no way we will keep him' to 'he actually checks the boxes for the Raps need, keep him!'

The guy is a crafty ball handler / offense initiator, can score for himself and has range. This is exactly what our current roster needs, so why move him unless Masai can get a younger piece that he likes / wants to invest in? If that piece dopesnt exist, then role with Dragic for a year, evaluate the roster, and see what next off season brings for tinkering.

Keeping Dragic for one year is not a horrible situation and can actually lead to some positive surprises. Dragic is playing for a contract after all, and may actually ball out... keep in mind, Dragic is a baby step removed from being the leading scorer on the Heat within their Finals run. Whos to say he cant be a 18/5/4 guy with us in his contract year, while offering some veteran leadership along the way? Heck, If Goran really balls light out, I can see Masai wanting to keep on a 2 year extension.. he is kinds a slightly worse Lowry.

Ah yes, Gary Trent Jr, the 54M dollar, 22 year old bench player.

[Dalek]

I really hope they can find a trade partner for Dragic otherwise this has to be one of the worst offseasons I can ever remember.

Three years ago the plan was for max space for the 2021 offseason to target guys like Giannis or Kawhi and based on Toronto's inability to trade Lowry at the deadline they basically just gave up their capspace to help Kyle and get one fringey prospect back and a second round pick back.

They could have at least made moves before free agency if they dealt Pascal and maybe ended up with Moody and Kuminga as well, but now we are stuck in the dreaded middle. We might be a 8th or 9th place team. Yikes.

[canz55]

We hold all the cards in the Mavs negotiations so there's no reason to meet them halfway on anything.

Their fanbase going by LockedOn Mavs podcast are making it explicit that they're desperate for a starting second guard who can play with Doncic and according to what they're saying 'Dragic' is their guy by a mile.

So either they give us the prospects we want or shop somewhere else.

EDIT

It's worth noting that Green and Tyrell were selected by Mav's previous brass as they now have new management. So I don't know what the holdup is.

[Psubs]

Okay they be waiting for Doncic to return from the Olympics to consult him?

[raincityraptors]

I know Gary Trent is the conventional SG in everyone's mock lineups because of the Contract he got.....but If Dragic ends up staying in Toronto.....I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Nurse go back to the Traditional Two PG starting lineup with one being a seasoned vet.

I think Nurse likes ball handling and playmaking in the Starting Lineup. Gary Trent is not necessarily known for either of those things. Gary Trent will still get a lot of minutes regardless. Kind of like the Jordan Clarkson role

Goran Dragic / Malachi Flynn
Fred VanVleet / Gary Trent Jr.
OG Anunoby / Scottie Barnes / Yuta Watanabe
Pascal Siakam / Chris Boucher
Khem Birch / Precious Achiwa

Yep - thats my depth chart as well.

I've done a 180 on Dragic.. going from 'theres no way we will keep him' to 'he actually checks the boxes for the Raps need, keep him!'

The guy is a crafty ball handler / offense initiator, can score for himself and has range. This is exactly what our current roster needs, so why move him unless Masai can get a younger piece that he likes / wants to invest in? If that piece dopesnt exist, then role with Dragic for a year, evaluate the roster, and see what next off season brings for tinkering.

Keeping Dragic for one year is not a horrible situation and can actually lead to some positive surprises. Dragic is playing for a contract after all, and may actually ball out... keep in mind, Dragic is a baby step removed from being the leading scorer on the Heat within their Finals run. Whos to say he cant be a 18/5/4 guy with us in his contract year, while offering some veteran leadership along the way? Heck, If Goran really balls light out, I can see Masai wanting to keep on a 2 year extension.. he is kinds a slightly worse Lowry.

The simplest way to put it is that Goran provides training wheels for this roster. I think he's a great transition piece from the Lowry era to whatever comes next. If they can't find a deal that maximizes his value, let's build it by starting him besides Fred. He's a vet and the locker room could use one more voice that can share tips and tricks of the trade.

His contract is a great piece in any disgruntled star scenario too. I would want more than WCS and Powell's multiple years for an asset like that - especially since he can help smoothen the transition for younger players with his creation and spacing.

[douggood]

Okay they be waiting for Doncic to return from the Olympics to consult him?

actually the owner gm coaches; basically the whole front office is flying to Slovenia to present him his max contract offer.