Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[DCasey91]

I'm desperate enough to sign and trade Tobi for DeRozan. And Sign Lowry.

Embiid
Simmons
DeRozan
Curry
Lowry

I mean that’s not actually a bad idea. I’d move Curry to the bench as the 6th and look for a 3+D guard/wing in the Danny green mold. Roco maybe?

[SixthStreet]

Hey NBA, Tobias only has 3/113 left! Not bad vs these ridiculous contracts being handed out today.

[the_process]

A source familiar with the situation told PhillyVoice the reporting was not accurate and suggested the intel likely dates back to last season. That was when, according to the source, Harris' name was brought up as part of a larger deal with the Houston Rockets, briefly discussed during the Sixers' attempt to trade for James Harden

Is this about that Harris to Houston - Stone shut down Morey rumor?

And why is Morey getting all bad vibes this offseason? Whose Cheerios did he piss in? Think the league is mad Elton isn’t in charge to take advantage of anymore?

[the_process]

Just dump him, save the salary. That way they can take back a S&T like Markkanen.

I think Dallas goes for this? And I don’t see why OKC wouldn’t.
-Tobias to DAL
Powell and 2025 1st returned to PHI
2022 & 2024 PHI 1sts and Porzingis to OKC

[FlyingArrow]

Just dump him, save the salary. That way they can take back a S&T like Markkanen.

I think Dallas goes for this? And I don’t see why OKC wouldn’t.
-Tobias to DAL
Powell and 2025 1st returned to PHI
2022 & 2024 PHI 1sts and Porzingis to OKC

So PHL gives Tobias and 2 first round picks for Powell and a DAL first round pick?

[the_process]

Just dump him, save the salary. That way they can take back a S&T like Markkanen.

I think Dallas goes for this? And I don’t see why OKC wouldn’t.
-Tobias to DAL
Powell and 2025 1st returned to PHI
2022 & 2024 PHI 1sts and Porzingis to OKC

So PHL gives Tobias and 2 first round picks for Powell and a DAL first round pick?

No, they get their 2025 1st returned by OKC. In essence, the Sixers move up by a year the pick they already owe to OKC.

[sixers4real]

I wonder if Morey will trade Harris for someone like CJ if he won’t find a good offer for Simmons. Or will he just keep them both.

[DaBolden76]

I wonder if Morey will trade Harris for someone like CJ if he won’t find a good offer for Simmons. Or will he just keep them both.

I think he has realised trading Simmons is too hard. Harris seems the most logical decision. However, it does not fix the issues. Simmons probably best to play majority of his minutes when Embiid off the court. Philly was a sleep when fellow Aussie Landale was on the free agent market.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think Morey should push the Harris for CJ agenda. I'd honestly rather have CJ because that way we are at least keeping our future in tact. Lillard is the bigger name of course, but how much different from each other are Lillard and CJ? Production wise? The gap isn't that wide in my opinion.

[mjkvol]

I don't think Morey has realized anything to this point - it's early! Morey was asking for the moon to make it clear that Simmons could not be had for pennies on the dollar, and he's going to wait this thing out, as there are dominoes that are left to fall before this is played out.

We haven't heard anything definitive about Harris being available, but I certainly hope that is part of the plan. His contract has to look a bit less obscene now given what we're seen the last week, and perhaps there's a chance of turning him into a scoring guard at some point. To me, it would be the simplest way to improve this team with one move.

[LAL1947]

Just dump him, save the salary. That way they can take back a S&T like Markkanen.

I think Dallas goes for this? And I don’t see why OKC wouldn’t.
-Tobias to DAL
Powell and 2025 1st returned to PHI
2022 & 2024 PHI 1sts and Porzingis to OKC

Just my 2 cents... really can't see Dallas going for that. Tobias is 3 years older and his salary is $3m more than Porzingis for every year of their contracts, both of which expire in 2024. It's a horrible contract since he's no star... $36m, $37.5m, and $39m left to pay. You guys have even said it yourself, Tobias is a JAG... and I agree. He's 29 years old and you know what you get. While Porzingis, being only 26, could return to being a potential All-Star at any time.

If Dallas makes the deal, they will only have 1 star (Luka) on their team for 3 whole years with no way of getting another until the summer of 2024, when Tobias' contract expires. I can't see another team that will take Tobias off Dallas' hands in exchange for a star, in case it doesn't work out. So this deal has the potential to cause Dallas to lose Luka, it's just not worth it to them. Maybe you guys don't fully see how bad the contract is when Tobias is playing behind Embiid and Simmons... but the receiving team will see it differently, if he's supposed to be their 2nd best player earning that money.

I think Philly will need to pay Dallas to take on Tobias and give up Porzingis. Pay in a 2-team trade example = Tyrese and/or Thybulle and/or picks. Two of these three might help get it done. If not, Dallas is better off sticking with Porzingis and seeing if J Kidd can rehabilitate him on the court. And Philly might be better off running it back with Tobias too.

[FlyingArrow]

Is Tobias for Markkanen at all possible?

[Negrodamus]

Is Tobias for Markkanen at all possible?

Ironically, Markkanen would be the perfect player to pair with Ben, but that seems moot at this point with Ben's desire to leave.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Ben never said he wanted to move . That's a rumor from some guy out in San Fran.

[youngcrev]

I'm desperate enough to sign and trade Tobi for DeRozan. And Sign Lowry.

Embiid
Simmons
DeRozan
Curry
Lowry

I mean that’s not actually a bad idea. I’d move Curry to the bench as the 6th and look for a 3+D guard/wing in the Danny green mold. Roco maybe?

Damn, can't believe Morey didn't think to sign a guy that got 30M a year for the MLE.

[FlyingArrow]

Is Tobias for Markkanen at all possible?

Ironically, Markkanen would be the perfect player to pair with Ben, but that seems moot at this point with Ben's desire to leave.

Markkanen might fit better with Embiid, too. He stretches the floor more than Tobias does. A couple years ago, he was seen as a future All-Star. He's probably a notch below Tobias right now in terms of player rankings, but I think they're about equal in the sense that they're both 50/50 to ever make an all-star team, and neither will be a regular there. Markkanen's youth gives him more value, so as players I have them about equal value. The question is whether anything can be done to make a trade work given Tobias' contract and Markkanen's status.

[Negrodamus]

Is Tobias for Markkanen at all possible?

Ironically, Markkanen would be the perfect player to pair with Ben, but that seems moot at this point with Ben's desire to leave.

Markkanen might fit better with Embiid, too. He stretches the floor more than Tobias does. A couple years ago, he was seen as a future All-Star. He's probably a notch below Tobias right now in terms of player rankings, but I think they're about equal in the sense that they're both 50/50 to ever make an all-star team, and neither will be a regular there. Markkanen's youth gives him more value, so as players I have them about equal value. The question is whether anything can be done to make a trade work given Tobias' contract and Markkanen's status.

The problem with this scenario is that Embiid, Maxey, and I guess Shake will be our only offensive creators on this team which is... problematic to say the least.

[BullyKing]

I'm desperate enough to sign and trade Tobi for DeRozan. And Sign Lowry.

Embiid
Simmons
DeRozan
Curry
Lowry

I mean that’s not actually a bad idea. I’d move Curry to the bench as the 6th and look for a 3+D guard/wing in the Danny green mold. Roco maybe?

Damn, can't believe Morey didn't think to sign a guy that got 30M a year for the MLE.

Based on some other posts, I don't think they understand how the cap works. Like they seem to think that if you trade Tobias for nothing, we could then sign someone for $35 million a year.

[Stanford]

Based on some other posts, I don't think they understand how the cap works.

Some also think that teams can sign free agents regardless of that player's preference.

[FlyingArrow]

Ironically, Markkanen would be the perfect player to pair with Ben, but that seems moot at this point with Ben's desire to leave.

Markkanen might fit better with Embiid, too. He stretches the floor more than Tobias does. A couple years ago, he was seen as a future All-Star. He's probably a notch below Tobias right now in terms of player rankings, but I think they're about equal in the sense that they're both 50/50 to ever make an all-star team, and neither will be a regular there. Markkanen's youth gives him more value, so as players I have them about equal value. The question is whether anything can be done to make a trade work given Tobias' contract and Markkanen's status.

The problem with this scenario is that Embiid, Maxey, and I guess Shake will be our only offensive creators on this team which is... problematic to say the least.

Hopefully trading Simmons gets another creator.

I was actually hoping we'd sign Tobias to a huge contract back when we signed him. Signing him was a great idea if we were bringing back JJ and Jimmy, because that would've meant we were going over the cap and there was no way to sign a comparable replacement. I knew Tobias would be the most 'overpriced' of the 3, so I thought the Sixers might let him walk to be able to afford the other 2. Keeping JJ and Jimmy should have been priorities that offseason. Losing them and signing Al Horford was such a bad move. Tobias' huge contract only made sense if we had no other options because Jimmy and JJ pushed us over the cap. Giving Tobias that contract *and* signing Al *and* losing Jimmy and JJ... what an offseason.

So the contract was a mistake at the outset. But I don't quite get the need to trade Tobias now. His contract is terrible, but he's a quality player and we're over the cap. Since he has a terrible contract, it's hard (or impossible) to get back equal value.