OscarH wrote:
Amick also said that Fox and Hali non starters in trade talks.
Amick was saying this when asked about Simmons
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OscarH wrote:
Amick also said that Fox and Hali non starters in trade talks.
BoogieTime wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:BoogieTime wrote:
The Sixers want a deal that ‘starts’ with Fox, so I think you’d understand how they would view that offer.
Buddy/Barnes/picks is barely positive
IMO Simmons value is equal to Fox because the Sixers are in a hard place and because of Simmons playoffs - before that Simmons had more value than Fox
Meaning if it’s not Fox it’s going to take a lot of assets that Philly likes.
Simmons doesn’t make sense with two ball heavy guards anyways
I wouldn’t read too much into that clip, looks like Monte is nodding his head prior to understanding the question, and I doubt he’d show his hand to a random fan in the stands
I won't go in circles on this, because we've had this conversation a dozen times on this board. But if Monte trades Fox for Simmons then he won't last long in this job.
Simmons is broken. Can't shoot, afraid to even go up for a layup. His mental is fragile as hell, and it certainly won't get better coming to basketball hell.
Fox is the better player. Hes getting better every day. Simmons has been the same player 3 years in a row.
Philly can ask whatever they want for Simmons, its literally a running meme on the internet. Nobody is paying that price, so good luck to them if they want to run back the same team and waste another year of Embids prime.
Do you see the second to last page of the Simmons trade thread in the t/t board? I think that reflects the average non biased position of Fox/Simmons worth, but perhaps we can start a thread there
If I start a poll with three options - Fox has more worth/same worth/Simmons has more worth, you think Fox has more worth would predominate?
OscarH wrote:
This would balance rotation a little and still have full MLE.
If could get Millsap and dump Bagley getting a solid 9/10 man rotation.
blind prophet wrote:OscarH wrote:
This would balance rotation a little and still have full MLE.
If could get Millsap and dump Bagley getting a solid 9/10 man rotation.
The guys on the TT board didn't seem to agree that the Kings could get this done, nor had any respect for the guy who posted that on Twitter.
I was suspicious myself and asked over there.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:BoogieTime wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:
I won't go in circles on this, because we've had this conversation a dozen times on this board. But if Monte trades Fox for Simmons then he won't last long in this job.
Simmons is broken. Can't shoot, afraid to even go up for a layup. His mental is fragile as hell, and it certainly won't get better coming to basketball hell.
Fox is the better player. Hes getting better every day. Simmons has been the same player 3 years in a row.
Philly can ask whatever they want for Simmons, its literally a running meme on the internet. Nobody is paying that price, so good luck to them if they want to run back the same team and waste another year of Embids prime.
Do you see the second to last page of the Simmons trade thread in the t/t board? I think that reflects the average non biased position of Fox/Simmons worth, but perhaps we can start a thread there
If I start a poll with three options - Fox has more worth/same worth/Simmons has more worth, you think Fox has more worth would predominate?
The consensus on the page seems to be a straight swap.
But to be quiet honest I could care less. I don't base my player judgements on some herd valuation. I watch them and determine where I place the player. I don't want Simmons simple and plain. I don't think hes a winner. I think hes held Embid back for a few years while every other player has been used as a scape goat.
He doesn't elevate his team. He sure as hell isn't a superstar. Hes a larger Ricky Rubio, except Ricky learned how to shoot over the years. Most overrated player in the league. When he gets traded, and he is instantly exposed, that board will roast Sacramento for giving up a superstar star for bum Simmons.
simonbampfield wrote:The thing that people also need to realise is that Ben hasn't taken 1 call from the 6ers since the season ended. Listen to Andrew Bogut about it on his podcast. When the 6ers refuted that report it was just to keep his trade value from going down even further.
Just like these stories about how much Morey wants for Ben. Everyone knows he isn't getting an all star and 4 picks etc, it's just pushing the perception that he can get something decent.
The relationship is broken, there is no mending it either, they have to trade him, Klutch aren't taking calls from the 6ers either, they want Ben out of there ASAP, they aren't going to help facilitate either like normal circumstances and the clock is ticking.
The 6ers are in a bad spot because this isn't trading Harden/AD that wanted out. They are superstars and while Ben is an elite level defender if a player in your top 3 can't shoot, like at all, you need to be a 5 or you're team is never going to win a championship. Period. Just think about how hard it is to put a shooter at the 5 around Ben and make it work. Philly had that and it didn't.
BoogieTime wrote:simonbampfield wrote:The thing that people also need to realise is that Ben hasn't taken 1 call from the 6ers since the season ended. Listen to Andrew Bogut about it on his podcast. When the 6ers refuted that report it was just to keep his trade value from going down even further.
Just like these stories about how much Morey wants for Ben. Everyone knows he isn't getting an all star and 4 picks etc, it's just pushing the perception that he can get something decent.
The relationship is broken, there is no mending it either, they have to trade him, Klutch aren't taking calls from the 6ers either, they want Ben out of there ASAP, they aren't going to help facilitate either like normal circumstances and the clock is ticking.
The 6ers are in a bad spot because this isn't trading Harden/AD that wanted out. They are superstars and while Ben is an elite level defender if a player in your top 3 can't shoot, like at all, you need to be a 5 or you're team is never going to win a championship. Period. Just think about how hard it is to put a shooter at the 5 around Ben and make it work. Philly had that and it didn't.
The Sixers came out and specifically said they wouldnt entertain talks with the Kings save Fox being on the table
Through their beat reporter, they went out of their way to refute the earlier reports of our spare players for Simmons
I understand that teams at times are forced to take less than their original asking price, in general, but I think its pretty clear some team is going to have to give up value.
Someone, somewhere is still going to step up with a solid package. Even if we are shocked by what he eventually is traded for, IMO its not going to be for our spare players
VeeJay24 wrote:I think a 3 team trade involving the Kings/Raptors/Lakers would work assuming the Raptors are willing to take back Schroder at or near Buddy's current salary. It can't be done in the trade machine due to Schroeder being a FA but the KIngs would send out Buddy(Lakers), Barnes & Bagley (Raptors), Raptors would send out Siakam & Anunoby(Kings) and the Lakers would send Schroder to the Raptors. Maybe draft picks are involved as well but this seems to be a likable trade for all. The only question I think would be are the Raptors willing to take Schroder and would they give up Anunoby.
Sorry guys I actually do it in the trade machine here's the ID
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7463060
VeeJay24 wrote:I think a 3 team trade involving the Kings/Raptors/Lakers would work assuming the Raptors are willing to take back Schroder at or near Buddy's current salary. It can't be done in the trade machine due to Schroeder being a FA but the KIngs would send out Buddy(Lakers), Barnes & Bagley (Raptors), Raptors would send out Siakam & Anunoby(Kings) and the Lakers would send Schroder to the Raptors. Maybe draft picks are involved as well but this seems to be a likable trade for all. The only question I think would be are the Raptors willing to take Schroder and would they give up Anunoby.
Sorry guys I actually do it in the trade machine here's the ID
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7463060
City of Trees wrote:Celtics are in talks with Schroder. Thompson trade isn't official yet. Can we sneak Buddy to LA in somewhere???
Kings social posted video of Holmes signing his contract. Holmes to Sac is a done deal.RipPizzaGuy wrote:City of Trees wrote:Celtics are in talks with Schroder. Thompson trade isn't official yet. Can we sneak Buddy to LA in somewhere???
Interesting concept.
I suppose the Celtics could get to enough salary including some others.
Langford/Tristan/Edwards/Grant Williams to Sac is about 18 million.
Buddy is at 22
Would Boston give Schroder 18 million? Its a nice consolidation for them.
Wonder if Monte would have the sense to ask for Nesmith, or threaten to back out of the deal.
Wright/Buddy for Tristan/Nesmith/Edwards/Grant Williams
Opens the space we need to give Holmes the 55 that was initial reported.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:City of Trees wrote:Celtics are in talks with Schroder. Thompson trade isn't official yet. Can we sneak Buddy to LA in somewhere???
Interesting concept.
I suppose the Celtics could get to enough salary including some others.
Langford/Tristan/Edwards/Grant Williams to Sac is about 18 million.
Buddy is at 22
Would Boston give Schroder 18 million? Its a nice consolidation for them.
Wonder if Monte would have the sense to ask for Nesmith, or threaten to back out of the deal.
Wright/Buddy for Tristan/Nesmith/Edwards/Grant Williams
Opens the space we need to give Holmes the 55 that was initial reported.
City of Trees wrote:Kings social posted video of Holmes signing his contract. Holmes to Sac is a done deal.RipPizzaGuy wrote:City of Trees wrote:Celtics are in talks with Schroder. Thompson trade isn't official yet. Can we sneak Buddy to LA in somewhere???
Interesting concept.
I suppose the Celtics could get to enough salary including some others.
Langford/Tristan/Edwards/Grant Williams to Sac is about 18 million.
Buddy is at 22
Would Boston give Schroder 18 million? Its a nice consolidation for them.
Wonder if Monte would have the sense to ask for Nesmith, or threaten to back out of the deal.
Wright/Buddy for Tristan/Nesmith/Edwards/Grant Williams
Opens the space we need to give Holmes the 55 that was initial reported.
Yea 4/$47MRipPizzaGuy wrote:City of Trees wrote:Kings social posted video of Holmes signing his contract. Holmes to Sac is a done deal.RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Interesting concept.
I suppose the Celtics could get to enough salary including some others.
Langford/Tristan/Edwards/Grant Williams to Sac is about 18 million.
Buddy is at 22
Would Boston give Schroder 18 million? Its a nice consolidation for them.
Wonder if Monte would have the sense to ask for Nesmith, or threaten to back out of the deal.
Wright/Buddy for Tristan/Nesmith/Edwards/Grant Williams
Opens the space we need to give Holmes the 55 that was initial reported.
Beautiful what was the official number then, 4/46 thats insane. What a steal.