[Stein] Dallas Has Tried To Trade For Goran Dragic But Toronto Has Resisted

Courtside · Post #81 » by **Courtside** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:29 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:its that or take on dead money for no season, at least with this we get the option of someone trading for him at the deadline if he performs.

The Mavs offer must be really bad in this situation. It's nice Masai wants to stick to his guns but the Lowry situation didn't really workout for us. Seems like we are getting a worse package now than we got offered at the deadline because we would have had an expiring contract off the books already.

A player is worth what people are offering you at the time. Did we get Kawhi for fair value? No because his value was extremely low at the time.

Masai might want to accept when it's time to bite the bullet. Let's see how it plays out before fully jumping to conclusions.

Only reason you hope he bites the bullet is so you can rag on him for doing just that. You're transparent AF.

Tor_Raps · Post #82 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:30 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:its that or take on dead money for no season, at least with this we get the option of someone trading for him at the deadline if he performs.

The Mavs offer must be really bad in this situation. It's nice Masai wants to stick to his guns but the Lowry situation didn't really workout for us. Seems like we are getting a worse package now than we got offered at the deadline because we would have had an expiring contract off the books already.

A player is worth what people are offering you at the time. Did we get Kawhi for fair value? No because his value was extremely low at the time.

Masai might want to accept when it's time to bite the bullet. Let's see how it plays out before fully jumping to conclusions.

No. Fk Dallas. Fk Dragic. Sit tight until a deal acceptable to Masai comes.

Loll agreed that if they're offering crap then we might as well sit tight at this stage. Before we had an incentive to use some free agent money on someone but that's all but gone now.

Dallas might start feeling the pressure from Luka to add Dragic since they didn't really do anything this offseason. This was supposed to be their big free agency year to make a splash.

dhackett1565 · Post #83 » by **dhackett1565** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:30 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
dhackett1565 wrote:
Dalek wrote:I'd say the obvious team in need of a PG is Boston. Curious if we might have interest in the following for Dragic:

Josh Richardson
Kris Dunn
Bruno Fernando

We can use Fernando as a back-up C; Dunn is a nice defensive stopper; while Richardson can be easily flipped to a contender at the deadline. The move breaks up the $19m that would be Dragic into workable chunks.

Richardson's salary cannot be aggregated in a trade to bring in more salary, not for 2 months.

Isn’t the time less because of the altered dates?

There has been nothing reported as such. If so, as far as I can tell, none of the CBA gurus like Eric Pincus or Larry Coon are aware of it, which would be surprising.

Appostis · Post #84 » by **Appostis** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:31 pm

Dallas offered Powell and Burks or some other un desirable package.

Powell would be a solid big but not worth the salary. So unless they want to start attaching assets, move on.

aligator · Post #85 » by **aligator** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:32 pm

I don't think Raps want Powell....or Porzingis.

Swag · Post #86 » by **Swag** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:33 pm

I believe Dragic is part of the Ben Simmions deal as of now

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Tor_Raps · Post #87 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:33 pm

Courtside wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:its that or take on dead money for no season, at least with this we get the option of someone trading for him at the deadline if he performs.

The Mavs offer must be really bad in this situation. It's nice Masai wants to stick to his guns but the Lowry situation didn't really workout for us. Seems like we are getting a worse package now than we got offered at the deadline because we would have had an expiring contract off the books already.

A player is worth what people are offering you at the time. Did we get Kawhi for fair value? No because his value was extremely low at the time.

Masai might want to accept when it's time to bite the bullet. Let's see how it plays out before fully jumping to conclusions.

Only reason you hope he bites the bullet is so you can rag on him for doing just that. You're transparent AF.

Why the hell would I want to rag on Masai? I cheer for the Raptors and want the team to be as good as possible.

I cared more about biting the bullet when we had a chance to spend money on free agents. We don't really have that anymore so I care less about "biting the bullet" now. Might as well wait till the deadline if we're getting crap offers.

will · Post #88 » by **will** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:36 pm

rocky_da_best wrote:
will wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:Good. Dallas thinks they can get him for their dead contracts just cause we want to move him. If they want to improve their team, they gotta pay up.

We’ll likely get decent offers at the deadline from contenders so no point moving him just for the sake of moving him. We can give him the Iggy treatment like the Grizzlies until the deadline and still get pieces for him

Damn right!

Errthang got a price. Pay up or shut up.

Ain't a damn way Masai is going to let Mavs come through with a lowball offer.

If Goran wants to play for the Raps, I am sure he will be welcome.

If Goran does not want to play for the Raps, he will continue to collect his paycheque while working out at home.

Goran Dragic: DNP-WFH

Win win.

dkb9696 · Post #89 » by **dkb9696** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:36 pm

dhackett1565 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
dhackett1565 wrote:
Richardson's salary cannot be aggregated in a trade to bring in more salary, not for 2 months.

Isn’t the time less because of the altered dates?

There has been nothing reported as such. If so, as far as I can tell, none of the CBA gurus like Eric Pincus or Larry Coon are aware of it, which would be surprising.

Richardson and Dunn are vets that have shown not to be good NBA players at this point in their careers. I have no idea why the Raptors would have the slightest interest in either.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #90 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:37 pm

Swag wrote:I believe Dragic is part of the Ben Simmions deal as of now

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Anything specific that makes you think that? Or just a hunch? As much as they need PG help, I don't see Morey accepting a package built around Dragic+Boucher unless if we're including more future draft compensation than we should.

PhilBlackson · Post #91 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:40 pm

DAL so transparent lol f off with your sh*tty leak like we're the ones holding out.

No we're not trading him for your unwanted garbage ie Powell & Burke...

Goran is EASILY worth more than both of them combined so we're not giving him up to get back LESS talent AND take on MORE/longer salary...

If not, enjoy DAL lockerroom continuing going to sh*t when you couldve paid the small price of a rookie like Green who barely gets minutes especially after re-upping THJ and you're essentially limiting him to be a backup OR you could actually make Luka happy and get him a guy who he loves playing together with, is likely a personal friend and will help Luka maintain his energy to get outta the 1st round finally....Truly is THEIR lose.

There absolutely will be someone who by the deadline who will give us more than a bag of garbage and we love our 3 pgs lol so the show goes on, f*ck em, only hope we were able to get KZ too though to lessen the bad management of cap/timing in FA.

Brinbe · Post #92 » by **Brinbe** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:43 pm

unless they're giving us green, then it just makes more sense to keep him. there's a role for him right now.

so do you risk pissing off your disgruntled superstar for keeping josh green????

therein lies what they're dealing with internally and why this stupid story exists lol

Swag · Post #93 » by **Swag** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:45 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Swag wrote:I believe Dragic is part of the Ben Simmions deal as of now

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Anything specific that makes you think that? Or just a hunch? As much as they need PG help, I don't see Morey accepting a package built around Dragic+Boucher unless if we're including more future draft compensation than we should.

No the package would future Pascal and Dragic would be the second piece. I think they may have to give us some dead weight contracts.

If that deal falls through, I'm sure Masai knows the Dallas package will always be there. 6ers are on the clock.

no dice · Post #94 » by **no dice** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:46 pm

It might be Masai's tactic to get heat to include more for the Lowry deal. I think I read that if they can't move dragic heat would have to include more in the deal to compensate to get Lowry.

Post #95 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:49 pm

This is all posturing;
It all became posturing the minute that Dwight Powell went from a player who Mark Cuban would have personally to the airport to exchange for an expiring last season to a critical locker room piece the Mavs just can't part with.

tosi · Post #96 » by **tosi** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:49 pm

Trade deadline and people will get super desperate

tosi · Post #97 » by **tosi** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:49 pm

no dice wrote:It might be Masai's tactic to get heat to include more for the Lowry deal. I think I read that if they can't move dragic heat would have to include more in the deal to compensate to get Lowry.

I say get more and ship dragic out at deadline

aligator · Post #98 » by **aligator** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:54 pm

Swag wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Swag wrote:I believe Dragic is part of the Ben Simmions deal as of now

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

Anything specific that makes you think that? Or just a hunch? As much as they need PG help, I don't see Morey accepting a package built around Dragic+Boucher unless if we're including more future draft compensation than we should.

No the package would future Pascal and Dragic would be the second piece. I think they may have to give us some dead weight contracts.

If that deal falls through, I'm sure Masai knows the Dallas package will always be there. 6ers are on the clock.

Can we get real. Raps do not want Ben Simmons, nor are they looking to deal Siakim.

StopitLeo · Post #99 » by **StopitLeo** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 8:04 pm

dhackett1565 wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
dhackett1565 wrote:
Richardson's salary cannot be aggregated in a trade to bring in more salary, not for 2 months.

Isn’t the time less because of the altered dates?

There has been nothing reported as such. If so, as far as I can tell, none of the CBA gurus like Eric Pincus or Larry Coon are aware of it, which would be surprising.

I must be misremembering something then. Thanks for clarifying.

Swag · Post #100 » by **Swag** » Fri Aug 6, 2021 8:09 pm

aligator wrote:
Swag wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:Anything specific that makes you think that? Or just a hunch? As much as they need PG help, I don't see Morey accepting a package built around Dragic+Boucher unless if we're including more future draft compensation than we should.

No the package would future Pascal and Dragic would be the second piece. I think they may have to give us some dead weight contracts.

If that deal falls through, I'm sure Masai knows the Dallas package will always be there. 6ers are on the clock.

Can we get real. Raps do not want Ben Simmons, nor are they looking to deal Siakim.

They want him at the right price (which is now).
If he doesnt work out, they can flip in for better assets than a Pascal could get you.