Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[Old_Blue]

Warriors in:
Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes

Sac in:

Wiggins, Damian Lee, Mark Mulder, 2022 FRP, 2026 FRP (lottery protected)

Wiggins is a better scorer and slasher than Barnes but provides better D at 4 with Drey at 5 and is a comparable shooter. Hield is a perfect 6th man scorer that can also be a secondary ball handler and lethal on court in certain match ups with klay and steph. Wiseman will be free on inside for sure.

Kings are not going anywhere this year and wiggs is young enough to still be part of their future along with the picks. As pure value, kings are getting more and get off of Hields contract with too many small combo guards on the team. This works contract/trade checker

Thoughts?

Sorry, but that idea stanks. A decent deal would have been Barnes and Delon Wright in exchange for Wiggins. But, then the Kings up and traded Wright to the Hawks. Oh well.

[ChuckDurn]

I don't take too much stock in the "Hornets signing RFA Markkanen, and 3-way trade rumor involving Golden State" reporting. But it is conceivable that Charlotte would prefer the combination of Oubre and Markkanen's salary over Hayward (and they don't have enough straight-up to take both Oubre and Markkanen in). I wouldn't want that, but since Oubre and Markkanen play the 3 and the 4 respectively, which overlap with Hayward (and his injury history)..... so maybe Charlotte does.

And if so, a 3-way deal could be started with the following big pieces:

Warriors out: Wiggins
Warriors in: Hayward

Charlotte out: Hayward
Charlotte in: Oubre (free agent), Markkanen (sign & trade).
Note that Oubre signing as a free agent isn't actually part of the trade, it precedes it, and consumes Charlotte's cap space.

Bulls out: Markkanen (sign & trade)
Bulls in: Wiggins

I'm pretty sure the Bulls would need to send additional salary out as well for matching purposes (Coby White?), obviously depending on how much Markkanen signs for.

It's not a deal that I would do if I was either Charlotte or Chicago, but there is a way to construct a 3-team deal if they get super-creative.

[ChuckDurn]

Warriors in:
Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes

Sac in:

Wiggins, Damian Lee, Mark Mulder, 2022 FRP, 2026 FRP (lottery protected)

Wiggins is a better scorer and slasher than Barnes but provides better D at 4 with Drey at 5 and is a comparable shooter. Hield is a perfect 6th man scorer that can also be a secondary ball handler and lethal on court in certain match ups with klay and steph. Wiseman will be free on inside for sure.

Kings are not going anywhere this year and wiggs is young enough to still be part of their future along with the picks. As pure value, kings are getting more and get off of Hields contract with too many small combo guards on the team. This works contract/trade checker

Thoughts?

No thanks.

Barnes plays the very deep 4 on the Warriors, Hield is too small to play the thinner 3 position on the Warriors. Lee shot better from 3 than Hield. AND 2 first round picks?

No.

This.

The various constructions of any "Wiggins + x for Barnes + y" always fail in the designation of Barnes as a replacement for Wiggins. As you note, they play different positions and have different roles on the Warriors, and that reduces any benefit to the Warriors.

[Old_Blue]

I don't take too much stock in the "Hornets signing RFA Markkanen, and 3-way trade rumor involving Golden State" reporting. But it is conceivable that Charlotte would prefer the combination of Oubre and Markkanen's salary over Hayward (and they don't have enough straight-up to take both Oubre and Markkanen in). I wouldn't want that, but since Oubre and Markkanen play the 3 and the 4 respectively, which overlap with Hayward (and his injury history)..... so maybe Charlotte does.

And if so, a 3-way deal could be started with the following big pieces:

Warriors out: Wiggins
Warriors in: Hayward

Charlotte out: Hayward
Charlotte in: Oubre (free agent), Markkanen (sign & trade).
Note that Oubre signing as a free agent isn't actually part of the trade, it precedes it, and consumes Charlotte's cap space.

Bulls out: Markkanen (sign & trade)
Bulls in: Wiggins

I'm pretty sure the Bulls would need to send additional salary out as well for matching purposes (Coby White?), obviously depending on how much Markkanen signs for.

It's not a deal that I would do if I was either Charlotte or Chicago, but there is a way to construct a 3-team deal if they get super-creative.

Wiggins for Hayward doesn't move the needle much, if at all. The injury history with Hayward is also worrisome.

[ChuckDurn]

I don't take too much stock in the "Hornets signing RFA Markkanen, and 3-way trade rumor involving Golden State" reporting. But it is conceivable that Charlotte would prefer the combination of Oubre and Markkanen's salary over Hayward (and they don't have enough straight-up to take both Oubre and Markkanen in). I wouldn't want that, but since Oubre and Markkanen play the 3 and the 4 respectively, which overlap with Hayward (and his injury history)..... so maybe Charlotte does.

And if so, a 3-way deal could be started with the following big pieces:

Warriors out: Wiggins
Warriors in: Hayward

Charlotte out: Hayward
Charlotte in: Oubre (free agent), Markkanen (sign & trade).
Note that Oubre signing as a free agent isn't actually part of the trade, it precedes it, and consumes Charlotte's cap space.

Bulls out: Markkanen (sign & trade)
Bulls in: Wiggins

I'm pretty sure the Bulls would need to send additional salary out as well for matching purposes (Coby White?), obviously depending on how much Markkanen signs for.

It's not a deal that I would do if I was either Charlotte or Chicago, but there is a way to construct a 3-team deal if they get super-creative.

Wiggins for Hayward doesn't move the needle much, if at all. The injury history with Hayward is also worrisome.

Hayward is, in a vacuum, a much better player than Wiggins. But the injury risk obviously is a consideration. Plus, Wiggins' role in guarding the opponents' best wings is something that Hayward would struggle with. Despite that, I'd consider it, and I suspect the front office would as well, as Hayward is definitely perceived to be more of a "star" than Wiggins.....

[Old_Blue]

Hayward is, in a vacuum, a much better player than Wiggins. But the injury risk obviously is a consideration. Plus, Wiggins' role in guarding the opponents' best wings is something that Hayward would struggle with. Despite that, I'd consider it, and I suspect the front office would as well, as Hayward is definitely perceived to be more of a "star" than Wiggins.....

The thing about Hayward is that he's a better shooter (40% from three/85% from the line over the last two years). He might also be easier to move in a future trade, despite having about $90 million left on his deal (compared to about $65 million left for Wiggins). Between Hayward, Klay, OPJ and Iggy though, we'd definitely have to introduce a load management strategy.

[Commodor]

No thanks to an extra year of Hayward. He’s already a serious injury risk. Ticky tack 2-3 month lingering injuries. The worst kind. It won’t get better and we’ll be stuck playing rookies and back ups.

Wiggins easily at this point. Youth, consistency, defense, and a year less of contract.

Unless CHA wants to sweeten the deal this is an easy no. Not nearly enough upside for the risk. We saw Batum go through this same process in CHA just 2-3 years ago. Injuries suck.

I’ll catch Hayward on the minimum contract flip side.

[michaelwarner]

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It’s official. No 3 way deal with Cha.

[cpower]

Warriors in:
Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes

Sac in:

Wiggins, Damian Lee, Mark Mulder, 2022 FRP, 2026 FRP (lottery protected)

Wiggins is a better scorer and slasher than Barnes but provides better D at 4 with Drey at 5 and is a comparable shooter. Hield is a perfect 6th man scorer that can also be a secondary ball handler and lethal on court in certain match ups with klay and steph. Wiseman will be free on inside for sure.

Kings are not going anywhere this year and wiggs is young enough to still be part of their future along with the picks. As pure value, kings are getting more and get off of Hields contract with too many small combo guards on the team. This works contract/trade checker

Thoughts?

No thanks.

Barnes plays the very deep 4 on the Warriors, Hield is too small to play the thinner 3 position on the Warriors. Lee shot better from 3 than Hield. AND 2 first round picks?

No.

This.

The various constructions of any "Wiggins + x for Barnes + y" always fail in the designation of Barnes as a replacement for Wiggins. As you note, they play different positions and have different roles on the Warriors, and that reduces any benefit to the Warriors.

thats a good deal for us and i dont think Kings would go with it. Wiggins/Barnes/Hield are all role playe. maybe Wiggins is 5% better than Barnes but it does not matter much in grand scheme of things. if Klay is healthy Barnes can be 3 or 4 based on our needs. it works in 2015 and it would work today.

[michaelwarner]

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"...the league is expected to look into any contact that may have occurred prior to the opening of the free agency negotiating period on Monday at 5:00pm CT. Both agreements were reported within minutes after the negotiating period began."

What is wrong with these people? Everyone knows that there are talks before the negotiating period begins, but to announce it within minutes of the opening? That's just dumb. S&Ts especially, since they are more complex and take time to settle. Idiots.

[Brick Layer]

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"...the league is expected to look into any contact that may have occurred prior to the opening of the free agency negotiating period on Monday at 5:00pm CT. Both agreements were reported within minutes after the negotiating period began."

What is wrong with these people? Everyone knows that there are talks before the negotiating period begins, but to announce it within minutes of the opening? That's just dumb. S&Ts especially, since they are more complex and take time to settle. Idiots.

I hope the league office penalizes these teams by stripping multiple first round draft picks from every team involved.

[DIO]

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[azwfan]

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This is Toronto trying to get more than Davion Mitchell out of Sacramento.

At least I hope so.

[FNQ]

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This is Toronto trying to get more than Davion Mitchell out of Sacramento.

At least I hope so.

If we were interested in Siakam it would have been pre-draft.. Toronto is more interested now that we’ve made our picks and signed them? Lol nah.. unless the cost is mostly Wiggins, our involvement seems pretty unlikely

[whatisacenter]

incoming Raps fans in 3..2..1

[GSWFan1994]

It doesn't make sense. Just clickbait crap.

[Brick Layer]

incoming Raps fans in 3..2..1

Direct from the Raptors board:

How about:

TOR trades: Siakam + Dragic + Boucher

GSW trades: Wiggins + Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 1st

Dragic would actually be pretty nice there.

[Mob Byers]

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Direct from the Raptors board:

How about:

TOR trades: Siakam + Dragic + Boucher

GSW trades: Wiggins + Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody + 2023 1st

Dragic would actually be pretty nice there.

[xdrta+]

Yeah, because the Warriors want to pay $18 million to a backup pg.