Summer League Thread Part 2: Aug 11 GS @8pm TSN 4

[Bruin]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

[WuTang_CMB]

Bang Biitt**

[Dalek]

He's not getting on the floor because he can't play D, turnover prone, and cant shoot. That's what I mean when I say he can't play.

Mr. Can't Shoot is now 18 and 9 and 4-7 from three. I don't think this is a hill you should die on, but if you don't like Coop that's your thing. He has 9 assists to 5 turnovers which is still good for Vegas SL. I will say in his limited college games he scored and assisted on over 50% of his teams baskets. His coach sure believed in him.

On defense it will be interesting. He does compete when he wants to and is a strong kid. /Edit He just hit a three to win the game. Ya Cooper is going to be okay.

Lol. It's summer league. He has clear weaknesses and even lover boy notmykawhi admits this guy is a back up point guard at best. What are we even talking about here ... His weaknesses are gonna keep him off the floor in REAL NBA GAMES.

Of course every player in SL has weaknesses, and Sharife will have an uphill battle based on his size. But, his speed on-ball, hesi dribble, pick and roll passing are all elite. Now he just shot 5-8 from three. You literally said the guy "can't play / can't shoot." He then hits a game winning 3 in front of an opposing team's bench. The kid is special.

I have no idea why he slipped that far but I think his father/agent and those pre-draft workouts scared off people. Or maybe there is some medical red flag. It is just puzzling because the guy just knows how to hoop.

[Clutch0z24]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

[WuTang_CMB]

Mr. Can't Shoot is now 18 and 9 and 4-7 from three. I don't think this is a hill you should die on, but if you don't like Coop that's your thing. He has 9 assists to 5 turnovers which is still good for Vegas SL. I will say in his limited college games he scored and assisted on over 50% of his teams baskets. His coach sure believed in him.

On defense it will be interesting. He does compete when he wants to and is a strong kid. /Edit He just hit a three to win the game. Ya Cooper is going to be okay.

Lol. It's summer league. He has clear weaknesses and even lover boy notmykawhi admits this guy is a back up point guard at best. What are we even talking about here ... His weaknesses are gonna keep him off the floor in REAL NBA GAMES.

Of course every player in SL has weaknesses, and Sharife will have an uphill battle based on his size. But, his speed on-ball, hesi dribble, pick and roll passing are all elite. Now he just shot 5-8 from three. You literally said the guy "can't play / can't shoot." He then hits a game winning 3 in front of an opposing team's bench. The kid is special.

I have no idea why he slipped that far but I think his father/agent and those pre-draft workouts scared off people. Or maybe there is some medical red flag. It is just puzzling because the guy just knows how to hoop.

He slipped that far because he cant shoot, cant defend and is turnover prone. This is based on his college stats, which is the true body of work and why professionals passed on him all the way until the 2nd round. He is at best a back up guard .. but his weaknesses are big ones and will keep him off the floor. He's not special lol. Stop. I hope you understand you asre watching summer league competition. Do I dare need to list all the garbage players whi played well here?

[Dalek]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Imagining Cooper throwing endless oops to Sims would have been the most fun thing with our second rounders. I am legit sad we can never have fun. Our team just grinds.

[HumbleRen]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

They reached with those picks but it is what it is I guess.

[Bruin]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

The 2nd is exactly where you care about fit lol wtf

So where do you pick for fit? Cause it’s definitely not the lottery or even anywhere in the 1st round for that matter

[Clutch0z24]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Imagining Cooper throwing endless oops to Sims would have been the most fun thing with our second rounders. I am legit sad we can never have fun. Our team just grinds.

Yep if it were me ...On draft night i was shocked Cooper was still there and i thought forsure we were grabbing him and then we picked Banton i was like ? ....And i was expecting Cooper next but went with Johnson....I would have went with Cooper/Sims ...I wasnt high on Sims really but in the 40s and we are in need of a C i would have tooken a flyer on him

[NotMyKawhi]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

I like this guy!

He was against me too for thinking suggs might not be a lock at #4. I like ppl who aren't bias. I'm wrong too! But these guys who stay mad bc either we didn't take a guy or I liked him and they don't like me smh how can you take their opinion seriously if they never admit when they're wrong?

[Clutch0z24]

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

The 2nd is exactly where you care about fit lol wtf

So where do you pick for fit? Cause it’s definitely not the lottery or even anywhere in the 1st round for that matter

So Banton and Johnson fit?....We Just picked Barnes who projects to be a Big PG/Wing .....Banton is not more Skilled than Cooper and that was obvious as it was shocking he slid all the way to the 40s....He was a no brainer pick based on skill that late in the Draft...

In fact in the Draft you never draft on fit thats how you lose your Job as a GM.....So many Dumb GMs passed on way better players cause they already "Had" a guy at that position .... Thats how you get your Hasheem Thabeets ,,,,Its just a moronic way to play the draft...You just pick whoever you think will be the best player period

[Bruin]

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

The 2nd is exactly where you care about fit lol wtf

So where do you pick for fit? Cause it’s definitely not the lottery or even anywhere in the 1st round for that matter

So Banton and Johnson fit?....We Just picked Barnes who projects to be a Big PG/Wing .....Banton is not more Skilled than Cooper and that was obvious as it was shocking he slid all the way to the 40s....He was a no brainer pick based on skill that late in the Draft...

In fact in the Draft you never draft on fit thats how you lose your Job as a GM.....So many Dumb GMs passed on way better players cause they already "Had" a guy at that position .... Thats how you get your Hasheem Thabeets ,,,,Its just a moronic way to play the draft...You just pick whoever you think will be the best player period

Banton and Johnson both fit the mold of players we like. Long with potential to be big playmakers and plus defenders

Thabeet was 2nd overall. We’re talking about picks 46 and 47. In that range, you’re looking for guys to develop into role players that fit into your culture and system. You don’t go into the second round with purely the intention of hitting a home run and getting a star by going BPA and ignoring everything else

[Dalek]

Lol. It's summer league. He has clear weaknesses and even lover boy notmykawhi admits this guy is a back up point guard at best. What are we even talking about here ... His weaknesses are gonna keep him off the floor in REAL NBA GAMES.

Of course every player in SL has weaknesses, and Sharife will have an uphill battle based on his size. But, his speed on-ball, hesi dribble, pick and roll passing are all elite. Now he just shot 5-8 from three. You literally said the guy "can't play / can't shoot." He then hits a game winning 3 in front of an opposing team's bench. The kid is special.

I have no idea why he slipped that far but I think his father/agent and those pre-draft workouts scared off people. Or maybe there is some medical red flag. It is just puzzling because the guy just knows how to hoop.

He slipped that far because he cant shoot, cant defend and is turnover prone. This is based on his college stats, which is the true body of work and why professionals passed on him all the way until the 2nd round. He is at best a back up guard .. but his weaknesses are big ones and will keep him off the floor. He's not special lol. Stop. I hope you understand you asre watching summer league competition. Do I dare need to list all the garbage players whi played well here?

Sure the SL is bad and so was his college team. Cooper has performed well at all levels as a PG which is why he was a five star recruit. He is probably the best true PG in the class and honestly no one had to sit for half the college year like he did and he came out and accounted for 52% of his teams offense each night. He had 97 assists to 50 turnovers which given the usage is pretty great. He was also one of the top foul drawers in college on a per minute basis.

Anyway, I am Cooper evangelist because so much of the NBA is such a slog to watch. Guys like Trae Young or Ja Morant are the future of the league and at least Cooper hints at that dynamic passing upside, speed and creativity that is lacking in so many players.

[Los_29]

Damn we passed on so many 2nd rounders just to have a Canadian on the team and David Johnson who idk much about....But i would have took Garza/Cooper/Wiggins/Sims All over who we grabbed

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

Cooper's college team was better when he DIDN'T play. 8-6 without Cooper, 5-7 with Cooper. To say Cooper was the obvious pick after he was passed on 47 times is laughable.

[Clutch0z24]

The 2nd is exactly where you care about fit lol wtf

So where do you pick for fit? Cause it’s definitely not the lottery or even anywhere in the 1st round for that matter

So Banton and Johnson fit?....We Just picked Barnes who projects to be a Big PG/Wing .....Banton is not more Skilled than Cooper and that was obvious as it was shocking he slid all the way to the 40s....He was a no brainer pick based on skill that late in the Draft...

In fact in the Draft you never draft on fit thats how you lose your Job as a GM.....So many Dumb GMs passed on way better players cause they already "Had" a guy at that position .... Thats how you get your Hasheem Thabeets ,,,,Its just a moronic way to play the draft...You just pick whoever you think will be the best player period

Banton and Johnson both fit the mold of players we like. Long with potential to be big playmakers and plus defenders

Thabeet was 2nd overall. We’re talking about picks 46 and 47. In that range, you’re looking for guys to develop into role players that fit into your culture and system. You don’t go into the second round with purely the intention of hitting a home run and getting a star by going BPA and ignoring everything else

So you are going to have a team full of all the same kind of player?....That makes 0 sense the reason the Elite teams are Elite in the NBA are because they have a Variety of ways to beat you....Look at the Suns for example they have a Hustle big Man in Ayton, An Iso shot maker in Booker, A glue guy in Bridges, Your Floor general in CP3, Your Flamethrower 6th man in Payne, And your All around guy in Johnson...

You need to be able to beat teams with a Variety of ways in a playoff series ...Drafting or adding players who all have the same style is a recipe for disaster and won`t go well ....Cooper > Banton, Sims > Johnson

[Clutch0z24]

I would’ve liked Sims but the rest I’m cool with passing on. Cooper wouldnt fit well on our team

Garza will still struggle defensively against real nba players

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

Cooper's college team was better when he DIDN'T play. 8-6 without Cooper, 5-7 with Cooper. To say Cooper was the obvious pick after he was passed on 47 times is laughable.

And what did Banton do exactly? Be Canadian? lol

[tdotrep2]

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

Cooper's college team was better when he DIDN'T play. 8-6 without Cooper, 5-7 with Cooper. To say Cooper was the obvious pick after he was passed on 47 times is laughable.

And what did Banton do exactly? Be Canadian? lol

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[Bruin]

So Banton and Johnson fit?....We Just picked Barnes who projects to be a Big PG/Wing .....Banton is not more Skilled than Cooper and that was obvious as it was shocking he slid all the way to the 40s....He was a no brainer pick based on skill that late in the Draft...

In fact in the Draft you never draft on fit thats how you lose your Job as a GM.....So many Dumb GMs passed on way better players cause they already "Had" a guy at that position .... Thats how you get your Hasheem Thabeets ,,,,Its just a moronic way to play the draft...You just pick whoever you think will be the best player period

Banton and Johnson both fit the mold of players we like. Long with potential to be big playmakers and plus defenders

Thabeet was 2nd overall. We’re talking about picks 46 and 47. In that range, you’re looking for guys to develop into role players that fit into your culture and system. You don’t go into the second round with purely the intention of hitting a home run and getting a star by going BPA and ignoring everything else

So you are going to have a team full of all the same kind of player?....That makes 0 sense the reason the Elite teams are Elite in the NBA are because they have a Variety of ways to beat you....Look at the Suns for example they have a Hustle big Man in Ayton, An Iso shot maker in Booker, A glue guy in Bridges, Your Floor general in CP3, Your Flamethrower 6th man in Payne, And your All around guy in Johnson...

You need to be able to beat teams with a Variety of ways in a playoff series ...Drafting or adding players who all have the same style is a recipe for disaster and won`t go well ....Cooper > Banton, Sims > Johnson

Sure that’s fair. But when you’re betting on potential, I’d prefer the guy who has physical tools

Just cause Banton and Johnson are long and the prototypical type of player we like physically, doesn’t mean that their games entirely overlap with what we have.

Johnson to me is a Norm type of prospect. I like him a lot

Banton I can see becoming a secondary playmaker off the bench. He’s far from that right now but I believe that’s what we’re looking to develop him into. He’s likely gonna be with the 905 a lot early on

Cooper is fine and will likely develop, but I’ll take the guy with the physical tools and defensive potential over him

[Dalek]

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

The 2nd is exactly where you care about fit lol wtf

So where do you pick for fit? Cause it’s definitely not the lottery or even anywhere in the 1st round for that matter

So Banton and Johnson fit?....We Just picked Barnes who projects to be a Big PG/Wing .....Banton is not more Skilled than Cooper and that was obvious as it was shocking he slid all the way to the 40s....He was a no brainer pick based on skill that late in the Draft...

In fact in the Draft you never draft on fit thats how you lose your Job as a GM.....So many Dumb GMs passed on way better players cause they already "Had" a guy at that position .... Thats how you get your Hasheem Thabeets ,,,,Its just a moronic way to play the draft...You just pick whoever you think will be the best player period

Sims legit embarrassed Freddie G in that SL game - Freddie couldn't score or defend the whole game while Sims attacked him every way.

I never want to draft by fit, but I do think you should look at unique talent and athletes and while I like Banton and Johnson, those guys are not in the same conversation of talent and athleticism as Cooper and Sims.

Toronto lacks speed at the point of attack and while Flynn is nice, Cooper would have been interesting to look at because he offers better passing and can attack the basket.

Sims would offer a rim runner that creates that Clint Capela like effect where teams don't want to cheat to far off from him because of the lob threat.

I honestly don't think Banton will stick in the league. Johnson is good, but he is just another guard with nothing truly elite or entertaining. It is like Toronto goes out of its way to draft steady-eddie types.

[Bruin]

Picks in the 40s you do not draft on fit at all you take guys who are the best available and Cooper was the obvious pick ....Everyone here was mad we passed on him twice in a row and he got picked right after...

FVV Won't be here forever and Cooper would be a heck of a backup PG in the Future ....Banton/Johnson didnt show me nothing so far but we shall see

Cooper's college team was better when he DIDN'T play. 8-6 without Cooper, 5-7 with Cooper. To say Cooper was the obvious pick after he was passed on 47 times is laughable.

And what did Banton do exactly? Be Canadian? lol

If you think we really picked him because he’s Canadian idk what to say

It’s not like we haven’t passed on many other Canadians before. If we wanted to pick purely based on him being Canadian, there were other options