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[ShootingtheJ]

PJ Tucker was a much better player at 27 than Thanasis is now AND he's an outlier. It's baffling that you'd sit there and think that that's an applicable developmental path.

PJ wasn't good yet at 27, so it's a real hyperbole to say he was much better than anyone.

Both players are similar height, strength, quickness, effort level. Thanasis fouls too much, and is too undisciplined in his whole game.

Ojeleye is a the more positive comparison.

No, it's not real hyperbole. Tucker was a highly productive player overseas prior to his second turn in the NBA. Like I said, your trying to pigeonhole this as an applicable developmental route is baffling. It reeks of homerism. You don't just put an athlete on the floor and get PJ Tucker. Basketball brains matter.

Any other player in the NBA, at 29 years old, and we'd be sitting there saying, he is what he is. We wouldn't be talking about his developmental track, because it defies logic.

Look at Tuckers numbers! Are you really saying he was the same player at 27 as he was for the next 7 seasons?

I get it, you mad Thanasis is back, but calm down. Development attempts never stop. Will it take?
Probably not, but there's plenty of examples of players changing their game into their 30s. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.

This isn't an important stance for me, though, so carry on.

[skones]

Look at Tuckers numbers! Are you really saying he was the same player at 27 as he was for the next 7 seasons?

I get it, you mad Thanasis is back, but calm down. Development attempts never stop. Will it take?
Probably not, but there's plenty of examples of players changing their game into their 30s. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.

This isn't an important stance for me, though, so carry on.

HOW is that what I'm saying at all. I don't know why you're building a straw man. Show me a guy who wasn't a rotation player his entire career and then suddenly became one in the NBA at 29 or 30. I'll wait.

Can't wait for Tony Snell to turn the corner and start asserting himself when he turns 30!

[Daver]

Anyone surprised horst hasnt given bud an extension yet.Hard to imagine him being a lane duck coach next year.Or does he still have a couple years left

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Lasry ends up hiring a coach he wants after the year. Would look really dumb to fire the coach who just won the Championship, but I always got the sense they aren't long for Bud. He probably should get an extension, but I could also see them letting it expire and hiring someone like Charles Lee for cheaper.

If that happens im hoping they look outside the bucks coaching staff.
If they are starting fresh then start fresh dont bring in someone who has been buds asst

[blazza18]

If the coaches really didn’t want to play Thanasis, he wouldn’t have played as much as he did in the playoffs.

He does offer energy and defensive hustle which Bud seemed to value at the end of quarters in particular, albeit in short bits.

If giving Thanasis any clock was only a favor to Giannis we could have just brought him in as a victory cigar celebration in blowouts like we did with Diakite.

The energy and defensive hustle he offers is great for the couple of minutes he can control himself before making a stupid foul. He played 10 more minutes in the playoffs than human victory cigar Mamadi Diakite. He only played at the end of some quarters because Bud didn't want anyone valuable to get a foul. What are we even doing here?

[Illawarra_Buck]

PJ Tucker was a much better player at 27 than Thanasis is now AND he's an outlier. It's baffling that you'd sit there and think that that's an applicable developmental path.

PJ wasn't good yet at 27, so it's a real hyperbole to say he was much better than anyone.

Both players are similar height, strength, quickness, effort level. Thanasis fouls too much, and is too undisciplined in his whole game.

Ojeleye is a the more positive comparison.

No, it's not real hyperbole. Tucker was a highly productive player overseas prior to his second turn in the NBA. Like I said, your trying to pigeonhole this as an applicable developmental route is baffling. It reeks of homerism. You don't just put an athlete on the floor and get PJ Tucker. Basketball brains matter.

Any other player in the NBA, at 29 years old, and we'd be sitting there saying, he is what he is. We wouldn't be talking about his developmental track, because it defies logic.

That's hyperbole as well. Unless you consider 8.9ppg in EuroLeague to be "highly productive".

I don't.

But yes I do agree in that I don't see legitimate development pathways for Thanasis to be more than he is. A locker room hype up guy and keeping lil bro happy is fine to have around.

[RiotPunch]

Bucks in: Okeke, MCW
Magic in: Pat, Diakite, Nwora

Bucks sign Hartenstein and Cassius Stanley (2way)


Holiday / Hill / MCW
DiVincenzo / Allen / Kalaitzakis
Middleton / Hood / Thanasis / Stanley(2way)
Giannis / Okeke / Ojeleye
Lopez / Portis / Hartenstein / Mamu(2-way)

I have always loved me some Okeke. Would be a great long-term frontcourt fit. Just need to find a 3rd team for MCW, I can't see him in a Bucks uni ever again.

[ShootingtheJ]

I'm guessing Bryant is released and theb signed to a 2 way.

How much do 2-ways earn? 250k? He will get ~4 times that amount of money in the EL

Sure, but that's not the NBA.

[emunney]

PJ is a highly unusual athlete. Agile, strong, long armed but built close to the ground for leverage. Then in addition to that, highly engaged, high effort, high recognition, and a prized student in the film room. I'm generally pleased that we managed to bring in more players than we lost but we're still going to miss him and the options he gave us. Hopefully he's getting fat and happy on South Beach.

[skones]

That's hyperbole as well. Unless you consider 8.9ppg in EuroLeague to be "highly productive".

I don't.

But yes I do agree in that I don't see legitimate development pathways for Thanasis to be more than he is. A locker room hype up guy and keeping lil bro happy is fine to have around.

Well, I'm not just picking and choosing the 10 game sample while ignoring the other 44 games he played with that team where in total he averaged 14.9 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 1 steal on 57/46/75. That's not hyperbole. That is highly productive.

[midranger]

Look at Tuckers numbers! Are you really saying he was the same player at 27 as he was for the next 7 seasons?

I get it, you mad Thanasis is back, but calm down. Development attempts never stop. Will it take?
Probably not, but there's plenty of examples of players changing their game into their 30s. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.

This isn't an important stance for me, though, so carry on.

HOW is that what I'm saying at all. I don't know why you're building a straw man. Show me a guy who wasn't a rotation player his entire career and then suddenly became one in the NBA at 29 or 30. I'll wait.

Can't wait for Tony Snell to turn the corner and start asserting himself when he turns 30!

Bruce Bowen is the one that comes to mind. Went from bit, bench player getting routine DNPs to starter at 29.

[skones]

Bruce Bowen is the one that comes to mind. Went from bit, bench player getting routine DNPs to starter at 29.

Right, so we have to go back 12 years to get to the time the guy last played in an NBA game.

[AussieBuck]

If the coaches really didn’t want to play Thanasis, he wouldn’t have played as much as he did in the playoffs.

He does offer energy and defensive hustle which Bud seemed to value at the end of quarters in particular, albeit in short bits.

If giving Thanasis any clock was only a favor to Giannis we could have just brought him in as a victory cigar celebration in blowouts like we did with Diakite.

The energy and defensive hustle he offers is great for the couple of minutes he can control himself before making a stupid foul. He played 10 more minutes in the playoffs than human victory cigar Mamadi Diakite. He only played at the end of some quarters because Bud didn't want anyone valuable to get a foul. What are we even doing here?

Those 6 seconds of crazy energy D at the end of playoff quarters subbing in for Giannis for foul protection are some of my best random playoff memories sir.

[Baddy Chuck]

Thanasis was an ok player those like 2 weeks when we were on/off resting our main guys and starting Sam Merrill.

That's all I got.

Glad he's back as long as Giannis is happy.

[BroncoBuck]

Bruce Bowen is the one that comes to mind. Went from bit, bench player getting routine DNPs to starter at 29.

Right, so we have to go back 12 years to get to the time the guy last played in an NBA game.

Jaesean Tate was 25 last year in his rookie season and could be that guy down the road. He played overseas the last few years. Yes, he started a ton of games last year, but it was for the Rockets who were practically a GLeague team. If he was on a capable team he’d be an end of the rotation bench guy who has a path to starting.

If you want a guy who became a legitimate stud I’d argue Demarre Carroll. He shot out of a cannon on Bud’s Hawks teams. That was what 6 years ago?

[WRau1]

Bring in Garrison Mathews.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

thanasis is a functional nba player who is multi positional defensively. he can stay as long as he likes.

[midranger]

Bruce Bowen is the one that comes to mind. Went from bit, bench player getting routine DNPs to starter at 29.

Right, so we have to go back 12 years to get to the time the guy last played in an NBA game.

Jaesean Tate was 25 last year in his rookie season and could be that guy down the road. He played overseas the last few years. Yes, he started a ton of games last year, but it was for the Rockets who were practically a GLeague team. If he was on a capable team he’d be an end of the rotation bench guy who has a path to starting.

If you want a guy who became a legitimate stud I’d argue Demarre Carroll. He shot out of a cannon on Bud’s Hawks teams. That was what 6 years ago?

There’s a couple guys who have taken atypical, non-traditional paths to their role as starters in their later 20s.

Ervin Tragic Johnson and Charlie Bell are two Bucks examples. Even Brook Lopez completely reinvented himself into a specific role unique from previous after being a foot out of the league.

[TroyD92]

thanasis is a functional nba player who is multi positional defensively. he can stay as long as he likes.

Functional is an interesting way to describe him. He's functionally not good at anything in particular besides fouling at a rare rate. As long as Alex isn't next I'm fine with it.

[theFireBlanket]

thanasis is a functional nba player who is multi positional defensively. he can stay as long as he likes.

Functional is an interesting way to describe him. He's functionally not good at anything in particular besides fouling at a rare rate. As long as Alex isn't next I'm fine with it.

What about his game vs NYK with heavy minutes?

[TroyD92]

thanasis is a functional nba player who is multi positional defensively. he can stay as long as he likes.

Functional is an interesting way to describe him. He's functionally not good at anything in particular besides fouling at a rare rate. As long as Alex isn't next I'm fine with it.

What about his game vs NYK with heavy minutes?

what about Brandon Jennings first two weeks of his career?