Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[cool93]

ANTHONY EDWARDS IS NOT AVAILABLE

How many times does it need to be repeated?

I mean Simmons isn't available for garbage+picks either but Wolves fans keep posting it, so cry me a river

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[LAL1947]

Question: Since Draymond threw his coach, GM and organization under the bus... does Draymond's trade value drop as much as folks have been saying Ben Simmons' value has dropped from Ben "wanting out" because Doc "threw him under the bus"?

It's a valid question.

[VDT]

Simmons is a much better player than Green and also younger. Any of these deals dont really help the Sixers, who are actually trying to become better right now. The Sixers need to be the team that actually attaches picks to Simmons to get a better player which makes any deal with teams that also try to become better almost impossible. It should be obvious by now that the Sixers FO (correctly) waits to see which star/superstar will make himself available so that they can make an offer. They dont care about what Minessota, the Bulls etc have to offer. Maybe Simmons forces their hand but i dont see them willingly entertaining any of these offers, even as a basis for further discussions.

[DroseReturnChi]

Simmons is a much better player than Green and also younger. Any of these deals dont really help the Sixers, who are actually trying to become better right now. The Sixers need to be the team that actually attaches picks to Simmons to get a better player which makes any deal with teams that also try to become better almost impossible. It should be obvious by now that the Sixers FO (correctly) waits to see which star/superstar will make himself available so that they can make an offer. They dont care about what Minessota, the Bulls etc have to offer. Maybe Simmons forces their hand but i dont see them willingly entertaining any of these offers, even as a basis for further discussions.

this is true but i like the idea of dumping two unwanted player and get back championship vet in green.
flipping simmons for star is hard now so if im morey i flip simmons, harris for wiggs, green, wiseman, all their unprotected picks and wait this yrs trade deadline or next yr to flip wigs plus assets for dame type star.

[cool93]

Question: Since Draymond threw his coach, GM and organization under the bus... does Draymond's trade value drop as much as folks have been saying Ben Simmons' value has dropped from Ben "wanting out" because Doc "threw him under the bus"?

It's a valid question.

Nah, it only seem to work for Simmons that way

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[Wolveswin]

ANTHONY EDWARDS IS NOT AVAILABLE

How many times does it need to be repeated?

I mean Simmons isn't available for garbage+picks either but Wolves fans keep posting it, so cry me a river

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Why do 76er fans keep saying this (garbage picks)?

Does the NBA not have precedent good players are acquired using 1sts? Harden for most recent example.

Yes, 76ers don’t NEED just draft picks. That is why a 3rd team will be required and like 99% of trades suggested here involve a 3rd team.

So if Harden is a benchmark, how much more valuable is Harden than Simmons? I think at least by one 1st and one swap.

3x 1sts + 4x Swaps got Harden from Harden/KD/Irving Nets.
2x 1sts + 2x Swaps got Holiday from best team in NBA with Giannis.

Do you think 2x 1sts + 3x Swaps doesn’t get Simmons?

And don’t 76ers fans understand the 1sts and swaps coming from Wolves are way more valuable than Nets 1sts/swaps used to get Harden?

Wolves don’t have Harden/KD/Irving. 76ers aren’t tanking team like Rockets (means VERY likely every swap is conveyed with Wolves and like no chance Rockets convey swap with Nets — see 2021).

[shangrila]

ANTHONY EDWARDS IS NOT AVAILABLE

How many times does it need to be repeated?

I mean Simmons isn't available for garbage+picks either but Wolves fans keep posting it, so cry me a river

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But he is available, so you see the difference? Good.

[Wolveswin]

MIN Gets:
Ben Simmons

They get a complimentary All-Star that would allow them to win now while KAT and DLo are on their prime.

KAT/McDaniels/Okogie/DLo/Simmons

PHI Gets:
CJ McCollum
Taurean Prince

They get the perimeter shot creator that they need and some defense.

Curry/CJ/Harris/Prince/Embiid

POR Gets:
Paschal Siakam

Powell was a perfect fit in Portland as soon as we was traded and he is a natural SG. This trade allows them to get bigger and play around Dame.

Dame/Powell/Covington/Siakam/Nurkic

TOR Gets:
Anthony Edwards
Malik Beasley

Toronto does a mini rebuild by getting a young talent with superstar potential. They can probably do another trade for someone like Bagley or Turner

FVV/Edwards/Barnes/OG/Boucher

Ugly for Wolves.

I am one of the few Wolves fans that would consider Edwards for Simmons++. Yes, for Edwards in the deal Wolves need more than just Simmons. And here you don’t do that, you actually have them throw in Beasley too. UGLY.

Actually I think it can be saved however (Edwards >> Siakam). Take out Edwards and put in McDaniels + 1sts from Wolves.

[Wolveswin]

If Warriors can nab 23 year old Simmons for 31 year old Draymond they would do it in a heart beat. Play him as a play making PF in the high post to attack the rim or kick to shooters. Elite defender who can guard all 5 positions.

Simmons is 25.

[SharpyShuffle]

ANTHONY EDWARDS IS NOT AVAILABLE

How many times does it need to be repeated?

The Minny piece to move is D’lo not Ant

D'lo isn't a piece, he's a bad contract used for matching.

But the problem is that Simmons is actually a pretty perfect partner to get the best out of D'lo, so Minny are in an awkward position where D'lo has more value to them than the (negative) value he has to other teams, but only if they can sign Simmons, but it's hard(er) to sign Simmons without trading D'lo

[Wolveswin]

ANTHONY EDWARDS IS NOT AVAILABLE

How many times does it need to be repeated?

The Minny piece to move is D’lo not Ant

D'lo isn't a piece, he's a bad contract used for matching.

But the problem is that Simmons is actually a pretty perfect partner to get the best out of D'lo, so Minny are in an awkward position where D'lo has more value to them than the (negative) value he has to other teams, but only if they can sign Simmons, but it's hard(er) to sign Simmons without trading D'lo

Sign Simmons? He is locked in for 4 years?

[SharpyShuffle]

The Minny piece to move is D’lo not Ant

D'lo isn't a piece, he's a bad contract used for matching.

But the problem is that Simmons is actually a pretty perfect partner to get the best out of D'lo, so Minny are in an awkward position where D'lo has more value to them than the (negative) value he has to other teams, but only if they can sign Simmons, but it's hard(er) to sign Simmons without trading D'lo

Sign Simmons? He is locked in for 4 years?

What? Are you just messing around with semantics or do you have something more to add?

[Wolveswin]

D'lo isn't a piece, he's a bad contract used for matching.

But the problem is that Simmons is actually a pretty perfect partner to get the best out of D'lo, so Minny are in an awkward position where D'lo has more value to them than the (negative) value he has to other teams, but only if they can sign Simmons, but it's hard(er) to sign Simmons without trading D'lo

Sign Simmons? He is locked in for 4 years?

What? Are you just messing around with semantics or do you have something more to add?

No you are the one that said “only if they can sign Simmons.” What do you mean sign?

[VDT]

Simmons is a much better player than Green and also younger. Any of these deals dont really help the Sixers, who are actually trying to become better right now. The Sixers need to be the team that actually attaches picks to Simmons to get a better player which makes any deal with teams that also try to become better almost impossible. It should be obvious by now that the Sixers FO (correctly) waits to see which star/superstar will make himself available so that they can make an offer. They dont care about what Minessota, the Bulls etc have to offer. Maybe Simmons forces their hand but i dont see them willingly entertaining any of these offers, even as a basis for further discussions.

this is true but i like the idea of dumping two unwanted player and get back championship vet in green.
flipping simmons for star is hard now so if im morey i flip simmons, harris for wiggs, green, wiseman, all their unprotected picks and wait this yrs trade deadline or next yr to flip wigs plus assets for dame type star.

I dont think the Sixers are interested in "dumping" anyone since they want to get better right now. They are not going to trade borderline star caliber players for picks and lesser players unless they have a follow up trade ready. If anything they are looking to do the opposite, trade them + picks for better players. All these proposed trades make no sense for the Sixers.

[daoneandonly]

Once again CJ getting massively overrated. He's not worth Edwards or Turner individually, yet somehow he gets both?

[LAL1947]

Question: Since Draymond threw his coach, GM and organization under the bus... does Draymond's trade value drop as much as folks have been saying Ben Simmons' value has dropped from Ben "wanting out" because Doc "threw him under the bus"?

It's a valid question.

Nah, it only seem to work for Simmons that way

Well, let's make sure it works for everyone! #Equality

[Telfaire]

Wolves trade Edwards, Beverly, Prince & Okogie for Simmons & Kuzma:

I dont believe that Minny can get Simmons without giving up Edwards, and I think that they should. Simmons is the superior defender, offers more size at SF, and a much more willing and better passer. He could really thrive when surrounded by 4 shooters in DLo, Beasly, McDaniels and Towns. And his peak would align better with DLo's and KAT's. Adding Kuzma, who they reportedly covet, as another scoring option off the bench, is another plus in this deal for them.


Mavs trade Porzingis for Bertans, Maxey & Okogie:

They get rid of KP's contract, cutting its salary hit by two with Bertans', take a flier on Okogie, and acquire Maxey who could prove to be an ideal fit next to Luka and a great PG defender.


Sixers trade Simmons & Maxey for Beal & Beverly:

While Morey didn't want to give both Simmons & Maxey for Harden, things have changed since then, and in this deal the Sixers revamp their lineup with Beverly-Beal-Green-Harris-Embiid, which is very balanced between offense and defense.


Wizards trade Beal, Bertans & Kuzma for Edwards, Porzingis & Prince:

They get a promising prosepct at SG to replace Beal, get rid of Bertans while trying things out with KP for the next 2-3 seasons, and clear some salary next summer by flipping Kuzma with Prince's expiring deal (they could also look to trade KCP for an expiring).
Dinwiddie-Edwards-Avdija-KP-Gafford could become a pretty young and solid team, and once they clear enough capspace, they might be able to upgrade from Avdija/Gafford at their respective positions.

[Telfaire]

Wolves trade Edwards, Beverly, Prince & Okogie for Simmons & Kuzma:

I dont believe that Minny can get Simmons without giving up Edwards, and I think that they should. Simmons is the superior defender, offers more size at SF, and a much more willing and better passer. He could really thrive when surrounded by 4 shooters in DLo, Beasly, McDaniels and Towns. And his peak would align better with DLo's and KAT's. Adding Kuzma, who they reportedly covet, as another scoring option off the bench, is another plus in this deal for them.


Mavs trade Porzingis for Bertans, Maxey & Okogie:

They get rid of KP's contract, cutting its salary hit by two with Bertans', take a flier on Okogie, and acquire Maxey who could prove to be an ideal fit next to Luka and a great PG defender.


Sixers trade Simmons & Maxey for Beal & Beverly:

While Morey didn't want to give both Simmons & Maxey for Harden, things have changed since then, and in this deal the Sixers revamp their lineup with Beverly-Beal-Green-Harris-Embiid, which is very balanced between offense and defense.


Wizards trade Beal, Bertans & Kuzma for Edwards, Porzingis & Prince:

They get a promising prosepct at SG to replace Beal, get rid of Bertans while trying things out with KP for the next 2-3 seasons, and clear some salary next summer by flipping Kuzma with Prince's expiring deal (they could also look to trade KCP for an expiring).
Dinwiddie-Edwards-Avdija-KP-Gafford could become a pretty young and solid team, and once they clear enough capspace, they might be able to upgrade from Avdija/Gafford at their respective positions.

[toooskies]

The server hack/restore ate my 3-teamer where GSW gets Simmons, Philly gets Green + Sexton, Cavs get Kuminga. Simple, everybody goes the direction they should be heading, But GSW fans hated the idea.

[Wolveswin]

Wolves trade Edwards, Beverly, Prince & Okogie for Simmons & Kuzma:

I dont believe that Minny can get Simmons without giving up Edwards, and I think that they should. Simmons is the superior defender, offers more size at SF, and a much more willing and better passer. He could really thrive when surrounded by 4 shooters in DLo, Beasly, McDaniels and Towns. And his peak would align better with DLo's and KAT's. Adding Kuzma, who they reportedly covet, as another scoring option off the bench, is another plus in this deal for them.


Mavs trade Porzingis for Bertans, Maxey & Okogie:

They get rid of KP's contract, cutting its salary hit by two with Bertans', take a flier on Okogie, and acquire Maxey who could prove to be an ideal fit next to Luka and a great PG defender.


Sixers trade Simmons & Maxey for Beal & Beverly:

While Morey didn't want to give both Simmons & Maxey for Harden, things have changed since then, and in this deal the Sixers revamp their lineup with Beverly-Beal-Green-Harris-Embiid, which is very balanced between offense and defense.


Wizards trade Beal, Bertans & Kuzma for Edwards, Porzingis & Prince:

They get a promising prosepct at SG to replace Beal, get rid of Bertans while trying things out with KP for the next 2-3 seasons, and clear some salary next summer by flipping Kuzma with Prince's expiring deal (they could also look to trade KCP for an expiring).
Dinwiddie-Edwards-Avdija-KP-Gafford could become a pretty young and solid team, and once they clear enough capspace, they might be able to upgrade from Avdija/Gafford at their respective positions.

Ugly for Wolves.

I am one of the few Wolves fans that would consider Edwards for Simmons++. Yes, for Edwards in the deal Wolves need more than just Simmons. And here you don’t do that, you actually have them throw in Okogie too. UGLY.